IRC log of egov on 2008-07-09

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13:03:35 [RRSAgent]
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13:03:37 [kevin]
hi all
13:03:40 [Rinke]
13:03:49 [chris]
13:03:50 [kjetil]
13:04:02 [kjetil]
Zakim, code?
13:04:02 [Zakim]
the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil
13:04:51 [Zakim]
+ +0476783aacc
13:04:54 [Zakim]
13:05:02 [kjetil]
Zakim, aacc is me
13:05:02 [Zakim]
+kjetil; got it
13:05:06 [darobin]
Zakim, mute me
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darobin should now be muted
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13:05:39 [kjetil]
Zakim, mute me
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kjetil should now be muted
13:05:42 [Rinke]
zakim, who is here?
13:05:42 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P0, kevin, Chris, +39.25.aaaa, +1.509.464.aabb, Rinke, OwenAmbur, kjetil (muted), darobin (muted)
13:05:44 [Zakim]
On IRC I see TvE, RRSAgent, Benjamin, Zakim, Mercedes, Rinke, Mercedescs, chris, kevin, pasquale, darobin, kjetil, trackbot
13:05:59 [kevin]
oscar are you on the call?
13:06:20 [TvE]
TvE and Rinke are using the same connection
13:06:32 [Benjamin]
Zakim, aaaa is me
13:06:32 [Zakim]
+Benjamin; got it
13:06:40 [darobin]
Zakim, Rinke holds TvE
13:06:40 [Zakim]
+TvE; got it
13:07:26 [kevin]
we will get started
13:08:23 [kevin]
katie who isnt on IRC has volunteered to be the scribe for today
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Zakim, code?
13:09:53 [Zakim]
the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+ tel:+44.117.370.6152), oazanon
13:10:41 [chris]
[Kevin] we are excited about participation so far
13:10:56 [Zakim]
13:11:08 [chris]
[Kevin] looking to expand our outreach to garner further interest and activity
13:11:09 [TvE]
can anyone tell me if the eGov expertgroup lead by Maria Wimmer (Koblenz Univ) is already involved?
13:11:27 [chris]
[Kevin] Kevin writing article for US publication
13:12:00 [chris]
[Kevin] reach out and monitor blogoshpere on egov work
13:12:57 [chris]
[Kevin] Reach out to DC based Web Managers Roundtable, high percertange of which are government representatives
13:13:36 [chris]
[Kevin] possibly present to Web Managers Roundtable at sessin on egov
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[Kevin] looking to host a workshop in DC in Spring
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[Kevin] call schedule with OASIS
13:14:48 [mercedesccs]
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[Kevin] reach out to World Bank or other orgs for sponsorship
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13:15:02 [TvE]
don't forget to connect to the CEN activities
13:15:08 [chris]
[Kevin] roll call
13:16:08 [kevin]
rachel flag is giving overview of us federal web managers group
13:16:23 [kevin]
she recently joined as an invited expert
13:16:53 [kevin]
she is willing to reach out to others in her community for involvement
13:18:30 [kevin]
welcome to Tom
13:18:39 [josema]
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13:18:47 [Rinke]
Tom van Engers and Rinke HOekstra
13:19:15 [Benjamin]
Benjamin Nguyen from University of Versailles
13:19:31 [kevin]
Hi Jose
13:19:49 [TvE]
More information on the Leibniz Center for Law can be found on
13:20:10 [josema]
Hi all, just here two minutes in case anybody needs help with logistics (hope things are workin :)
13:20:14 [kevin]
any one else new to the group this week?
13:20:30 [kevin]
we are trying hard to get through without you :)
13:20:52 [josema]
come on!
13:21:19 [johnlsheridan]
I'm only on IRC this week I'm afraid (actually I'm on holiday - but thought I'd join you anyway)
13:21:23 [josema]
btw, welcome to our new Group Members and thanks for participating
13:21:41 [josema]
nobody scribing today?
13:23:41 [kjetil]
worse, a policy against IRC...
13:23:57 [josema]
13:24:03 [kevin]
Katie is doing it although she isnt on irc
13:26:08 [josema]
thanks, Katie!
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13:30:01 [chris]
Do we see the group structure as roughly following the following: 1. best practices /approaches
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2. policy
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3. technical standards
13:31:19 [josema]
RRSAgent, pointer?
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13:31:44 [Rinke]
RRSAgent, make records public
13:31:46 [kevin]
Jose can you answer the IRC question
13:32:03 [darobin]
our IRC logs are public
13:32:10 [josema]
sure, the answer is the pointer above ;)
13:33:24 [oazanon]
hi, I'm here
13:33:26 [oazanon]
13:33:34 [kevin]
we are going to move on to having the subchairs talk about the work of the subgroups
13:33:40 [josema]
btw, Rinke, and also minutes will be public after the meeting
13:33:52 [Zakim]
13:34:15 [Rinke]
ok, thanks.. I was just wondering whether it was general W3C policy to have everything public
13:34:26 [Rinke]
guess it is ;)
13:34:55 [darobin]
Rinke: no, it's not, but this group tries to be very public
13:35:04 [Zakim]
+ +1.202.501.aadd
13:35:06 [josema]
13:35:12 [Rinke]
ok, thanks.
13:35:26 [peter_krantz]
Zakim, who is on the phone?
13:35:26 [Zakim]
On the phone I see ??P0, kevin, Chris, Benjamin, +1.509.464.aabb, Rinke, OwenAmbur, kjetil (muted), darobin (muted), Oscar, peter_krantz, ??P3, +1.202.501.aadd
13:35:29 [Zakim]
Rinke has TvE
13:35:37 [darobin]
we embrace transparency and the use of Web technology in our own govenance
13:35:43 [johnlsheridan]
I've just dialled in :)
13:36:02 [Rinke]
zakim, aadd is johnlsheridan
13:36:02 [Zakim]
+johnlsheridan; got it
13:36:24 [darobin]
josema: our scribe isn't on IRC so Zakim is only so much help
13:36:47 [josema]
ah, yes...
13:37:31 [josema]
I'm sure the scribe and participants are smart enough anyway :)
13:38:12 [josema]
I gotta run now, sorry about that, wish you a productive call
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13:39:11 [kevin]
Chris has started the next item on the agenda
13:39:37 [kevin]
I will get notes from Katie and try to pull both the irc log and her notes together so we have a coherent summary/notes of our call
13:42:06 [kevin]
Chris has asked if we have a definition of what standards are and how we want to define them]
13:42:44 [kevin]
Areas chris wants to look at are baseline standards compliance
13:43:03 [kevin]
markup and validation are not uniform across govt agencies web
13:43:05 [TvE]
An overwhelming amount of research after web services used is available both from previously run EU sponsored eGov projects as well as by the different national governments
13:43:20 [TvE]
Let's no redo that work.
13:43:26 [kevin]
series of best practices, accessibility
13:43:32 [kevin]
13:43:56 [kevin]
We dont need to recreate the wheel and should ensure we know and evaluate all the work that has been done
13:45:53 [darobin]
Zakim, who's making noise?
13:45:56 [peter_krantz]
Zakim, who is noisy?
13:46:04 [Zakim]
darobin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (5%), ??P3 (45%), johnlsheridan (5%)
13:46:15 [Zakim]
peter_krantz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P3 (24%), peter_krantz (5%)
13:46:58 [kevin]
seems all clear now
13:47:46 [Rinke]
q+ to make a point of order
13:48:27 [TvE]
there might be specific training needs in governments and their clients which we should include in this activity or not
13:50:23 [kevin]
is anyone participating on the internationalization working group (w3c)?
13:52:39 [kjetil]
13:53:07 [Rinke]
13:54:43 [kevin]
Chris closed his section,
13:55:02 [kevin]
Tom is talking and asking about open government standards for eu
13:55:30 [kevin]
reference to links already on wiki
13:56:07 [kjetil]
what's the URL of the wiki, again?
13:56:21 [kevin]
give me one second and will publish up
13:56:55 [Rinke]
13:58:01 [kevin]
thanks for posting
13:58:42 [Rinke]
you're welcome. It seems that the wiki is unprotected, though: anyone can make an account.
13:59:20 [kevin]
I will check this out. We want the wiki to be open to read but not edit (with the exception of all the group members)
13:59:39 [kevin]
Jose has given me admin access while he is on holiday and will see what I can do
13:59:49 [Rinke]
ok, great
14:02:07 [kevin]
oscar is providing a review of where he sees his work goup
14:02:14 [kevin]
14:03:48 [kevin]
response, I will post draft activity plan along with drat deliverables to the wiki later today for feedback
14:05:54 [kevin]
oscar is speaking about the use case format
14:06:10 [kevin]
he has a paragraph posted to the wiki with a suggested format
14:09:36 [peter_krantz]
peter asked if there will be a more lightweight way to capture a use case
14:11:18 [kevin]
owen is mentioning how he had to change the template to get his content posted
14:12:11 [kevin]
oscar is responding and is mentioned we need a tool to help us relate use cases to the goals of the egov group
14:12:33 [Rinke]
q+ to talk about templates
14:12:55 [kevin]
14:17:36 [Benjamin]
notes :
14:17:56 [Rinke]
kevin, I can login to the wiki, but am unable to make any changes... so I guess the wiki is protected
14:18:19 [kevin]
ok that is good to know
14:18:45 [TvE]
to know what?
14:19:46 [kevin]
that there is security on the wiki. I will look into getting you access,
14:19:53 [Rinke]
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14:23:01 [darobin]
Zakim, unmute me
14:23:01 [Zakim]
darobin should no longer be muted
14:23:02 [kevin]
Richard Murphey is asking different between report and note definition
14:24:47 [darobin]
Zakim, mute me
14:24:47 [Zakim]
darobin should now be muted
14:24:58 [Benjamin]
14:26:48 [kevin]
any additional items that should be added to today's call or others feel need to be addressed in future calls?
14:29:34 [darobin]
Aug 6
14:30:40 [peter_krantz]
I am on vacation too (Sweden you know...) until aug 25
14:30:47 [TvE]
* congratulations
14:30:54 [darobin]
14:32:00 [TvE]
no comments
14:32:01 [Rinke]
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- +1.509.464.aabb
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14:32:49 [darobin]
kjetil: where're you going this time?
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T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
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Attendees were kevin, Chris, +39.25.aaaa, +1.509.464.aabb, OwenAmbur, +0476783aacc, darobin, kjetil, Benjamin, TvE, Oscar, peter_krantz, +1.202.501.aadd, johnlsheridan
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14:33:56 [kevin]
thank you all
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