13:03:35 RRSAgent has joined #egov 13:03:35 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/09-egov-irc 13:03:37 hi all 13:03:40 hi 13:03:49 hello 13:03:50 hi 13:04:02 Zakim, code? 13:04:02 the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil 13:04:51 + +0476783aacc 13:04:54 +darobin 13:05:02 Zakim, aacc is me 13:05:02 +kjetil; got it 13:05:06 Zakim, mute me 13:05:06 darobin should now be muted 13:05:30 TvE has joined #egov 13:05:39 Zakim, mute me 13:05:39 kjetil should now be muted 13:05:42 zakim, who is here? 13:05:42 On the phone I see ??P0, kevin, Chris, +39.25.aaaa, +1.509.464.aabb, Rinke, OwenAmbur, kjetil (muted), darobin (muted) 13:05:44 On IRC I see TvE, RRSAgent, Benjamin, Zakim, Mercedes, Rinke, Mercedescs, chris, kevin, pasquale, darobin, kjetil, trackbot 13:05:59 oscar are you on the call? 13:06:20 TvE and Rinke are using the same connection 13:06:32 Zakim, aaaa is me 13:06:32 +Benjamin; got it 13:06:40 Zakim, Rinke holds TvE 13:06:40 +TvE; got it 13:07:26 we will get started 13:08:23 katie who isnt on IRC has volunteered to be the scribe for today 13:08:25 oazanon has joined #egov 13:09:53 Zakim, code? 13:09:53 the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), oazanon 13:10:41 [Kevin] we are excited about participation so far 13:10:56 +Oscar 13:11:08 [Kevin] looking to expand our outreach to garner further interest and activity 13:11:09 can anyone tell me if the eGov expertgroup lead by Maria Wimmer (Koblenz Univ) is already involved? 13:11:27 [Kevin] Kevin writing article for US publication 13:12:00 [Kevin] reach out and monitor blogoshpere on egov work 13:12:57 [Kevin] Reach out to DC based Web Managers Roundtable, high percertange of which are government representatives 13:13:36 [Kevin] possibly present to Web Managers Roundtable at sessin on egov 13:14:09 [Kevin] looking to host a workshop in DC in Spring 13:14:31 [Kevin] call schedule with OASIS 13:14:48 mercedesccs has joined #egov 13:14:49 [Kevin] reach out to World Bank or other orgs for sponsorship 13:14:55 johnlsheridan has joined #egov 13:15:02 don't forget to connect to the CEN activities 13:15:08 [Kevin] roll call 13:16:08 rachel flag is giving overview of us federal web managers group 13:16:23 she recently joined as an invited expert 13:16:53 she is willing to reach out to others in her community for involvement 13:18:30 welcome to Tom 13:18:39 josema has joined #egov 13:18:47 Tom van Engers and Rinke HOekstra 13:19:15 Benjamin Nguyen from University of Versailles 13:19:31 Hi Jose 13:19:49 More information on the Leibniz Center for Law can be found on www.LeibnizCenter.org 13:20:10 Hi all, just here two minutes in case anybody needs help with logistics (hope things are workin :) 13:20:14 any one else new to the group this week? 13:20:30 we are trying hard to get through without you :) 13:20:52 come on! 13:21:19 I'm only on IRC this week I'm afraid (actually I'm on holiday - but thought I'd join you anyway) 13:21:23 btw, welcome to our new Group Members and thanks for participating 13:21:41 nobody scribing today? 13:23:41 worse, a policy against IRC... 13:23:57 ouch! 13:24:03 Katie is doing it although she isnt on irc 13:26:08 thanks, Katie! 13:26:52 peter_krantz has joined #egov 13:28:41 +peter_krantz 13:30:01 Do we see the group structure as roughly following the following: 1. best practices /approaches 13:30:06 2. policy 13:30:11 3. technical standards 13:31:19 RRSAgent, pointer? 13:31:19 See http://www.w3.org/2008/07/09-egov-irc#T13-31-19 13:31:44 RRSAgent, make records public 13:31:46 Jose can you answer the IRC question 13:32:03 our IRC logs are public 13:32:10 sure, the answer is the pointer above ;) 13:33:24 hi, I'm here 13:33:26 :) 13:33:34 we are going to move on to having the subchairs talk about the work of the subgroups 13:33:40 btw, Rinke, and also minutes will be public after the meeting 13:33:52 +??P3 13:34:15 ok, thanks.. I was just wondering whether it was general W3C policy to have everything public 13:34:26 guess it is ;) 13:34:55 Rinke: no, it's not, but this group tries to be very public 13:35:04 + +1.202.501.aadd 13:35:06 exactly 13:35:12 ok, thanks. 13:35:26 Zakim, who is on the phone? 13:35:26 On the phone I see ??P0, kevin, Chris, Benjamin, +1.509.464.aabb, Rinke, OwenAmbur, kjetil (muted), darobin (muted), Oscar, peter_krantz, ??P3, +1.202.501.aadd 13:35:29 Rinke has TvE 13:35:37 we embrace transparency and the use of Web technology in our own govenance 13:35:43 I've just dialled in :) 13:36:02 zakim, aadd is johnlsheridan 13:36:02 +johnlsheridan; got it 13:36:24 josema: our scribe isn't on IRC so Zakim is only so much help 13:36:47 ah, yes... 13:37:31 I'm sure the scribe and participants are smart enough anyway :) 13:38:12 I gotta run now, sorry about that, wish you a productive call 13:38:29 josema has left #egov 13:39:11 Chris has started the next item on the agenda 13:39:37 I will get notes from Katie and try to pull both the irc log and her notes together so we have a coherent summary/notes of our call 13:42:06 Chris has asked if we have a definition of what standards are and how we want to define them] 13:42:44 Areas chris wants to look at are baseline standards compliance 13:43:03 markup and validation are not uniform across govt agencies web 13:43:05 An overwhelming amount of research after web services used is available both from previously run EU sponsored eGov projects as well as by the different national governments 13:43:20 Let's no redo that work. 13:43:26 series of best practices, accessibility 13:43:32 Agreed 13:43:56 We dont need to recreate the wheel and should ensure we know and evaluate all the work that has been done 13:45:53 Zakim, who's making noise? 13:45:56 Zakim, who is noisy? 13:46:04 darobin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (5%), ??P3 (45%), johnlsheridan (5%) 13:46:15 peter_krantz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P3 (24%), peter_krantz (5%) 13:46:58 seems all clear now 13:47:46 q+ to make a point of order 13:48:27 there might be specific training needs in governments and their clients which we should include in this activity or not 13:50:23 is anyone participating on the internationalization working group (w3c)? 13:52:39 q? 13:53:07 q- 13:54:43 Chris closed his section, 13:55:02 Tom is talking and asking about open government standards for eu 13:55:30 reference to links already on wiki 13:56:07 what's the URL of the wiki, again? 13:56:21 give me one second and will publish up 13:56:55 http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/ 13:58:01 thanks for posting 13:58:42 you're welcome. It seems that the wiki is unprotected, though: anyone can make an account. 13:59:20 I will check this out. We want the wiki to be open to read but not edit (with the exception of all the group members) 13:59:39 Jose has given me admin access while he is on holiday and will see what I can do 13:59:49 ok, great 14:02:07 oscar is providing a review of where he sees his work goup 14:02:14 heading 14:03:48 response, I will post draft activity plan along with drat deliverables to the wiki later today for feedback 14:05:54 oscar is speaking about the use case format 14:06:10 he has a paragraph posted to the wiki with a suggested format 14:09:36 peter asked if there will be a more lightweight way to capture a use case 14:11:18 owen is mentioning how he had to change the template to get his content posted 14:12:11 oscar is responding and is mentioned we need a tool to help us relate use cases to the goals of the egov group 14:12:33 q+ to talk about templates 14:12:55 ok 14:17:36 notes : http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#WGNote 14:17:56 kevin, I can login to the wiki, but am unable to make any changes... so I guess the wiki is protected 14:18:19 ok that is good to know 14:18:45 to know what? 14:19:46 that there is security on the wiki. I will look into getting you access, 14:19:53 thanks 14:19:57 *perfecto! 14:23:01 Zakim, unmute me 14:23:01 darobin should no longer be muted 14:23:02 Richard Murphey is asking different between report and note definition 14:24:47 Zakim, mute me 14:24:47 darobin should now be muted 14:24:58 http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery-use-cases/ 14:26:48 any additional items that should be added to today's call or others feel need to be addressed in future calls? 14:29:34 Aug 6 14:30:40 I am on vacation too (Sweden you know...) until aug 25 14:30:47 * congratulations 14:30:54 :) 14:32:00 no comments 14:32:01 thanks 14:32:18 -peter_krantz 14:32:21 -kjetil 14:32:24 -johnlsheridan 14:32:25 bye 14:32:33 -??P0 14:32:34 -OwenAmbur 14:32:36 -darobin 14:32:37 -Chris 14:32:37 - +1.509.464.aabb 14:32:39 -Rinke 14:32:39 -kevin 14:32:40 -Oscar 14:32:42 -Benjamin 14:32:49 kjetil: where're you going this time? 14:33:00 -??P3 14:33:00 T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended 14:33:01 Attendees were kevin, Chris, +39.25.aaaa, +1.509.464.aabb, OwenAmbur, +0476783aacc, darobin, kjetil, Benjamin, TvE, Oscar, peter_krantz, +1.202.501.aadd, johnlsheridan 14:33:24 peter_krantz has left #egov 14:33:56 thank you all 16:30:03 Zakim has left #egov 16:56:19 Rinke has joined #egov 16:56:28 Rinke has left #egov