IRC log of egov on 2008-07-09
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/09-egov-irc
- 13:03:37 [kevin]
- hi all
- 13:03:40 [Rinke]
- hi
- 13:03:49 [chris]
- hello
- 13:03:50 [kjetil]
- hi
- 13:04:02 [kjetil]
- Zakim, code?
- 13:04:02 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), kjetil
- 13:04:51 [Zakim]
- + +0476783aacc
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- +darobin
- 13:05:02 [kjetil]
- Zakim, aacc is me
- 13:05:02 [Zakim]
- +kjetil; got it
- 13:05:06 [darobin]
- Zakim, mute me
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- darobin should now be muted
- 13:05:30 [TvE]
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- 13:05:39 [kjetil]
- Zakim, mute me
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- kjetil should now be muted
- 13:05:42 [Rinke]
- zakim, who is here?
- 13:05:42 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P0, kevin, Chris, +39.25.aaaa, +1.509.464.aabb, Rinke, OwenAmbur, kjetil (muted), darobin (muted)
- 13:05:44 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see TvE, RRSAgent, Benjamin, Zakim, Mercedes, Rinke, Mercedescs, chris, kevin, pasquale, darobin, kjetil, trackbot
- 13:05:59 [kevin]
- oscar are you on the call?
- 13:06:20 [TvE]
- TvE and Rinke are using the same connection
- 13:06:32 [Benjamin]
- Zakim, aaaa is me
- 13:06:32 [Zakim]
- +Benjamin; got it
- 13:06:40 [darobin]
- Zakim, Rinke holds TvE
- 13:06:40 [Zakim]
- +TvE; got it
- 13:07:26 [kevin]
- we will get started
- 13:08:23 [kevin]
- katie who isnt on IRC has volunteered to be the scribe for today
- 13:08:25 [oazanon]
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- Zakim, code?
- 13:09:53 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 3468 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), oazanon
- 13:10:41 [chris]
- [Kevin] we are excited about participation so far
- 13:10:56 [Zakim]
- +Oscar
- 13:11:08 [chris]
- [Kevin] looking to expand our outreach to garner further interest and activity
- 13:11:09 [TvE]
- can anyone tell me if the eGov expertgroup lead by Maria Wimmer (Koblenz Univ) is already involved?
- 13:11:27 [chris]
- [Kevin] Kevin writing article for US publication
- 13:12:00 [chris]
- [Kevin] reach out and monitor blogoshpere on egov work
- 13:12:57 [chris]
- [Kevin] Reach out to DC based Web Managers Roundtable, high percertange of which are government representatives
- 13:13:36 [chris]
- [Kevin] possibly present to Web Managers Roundtable at sessin on egov
- 13:14:09 [chris]
- [Kevin] looking to host a workshop in DC in Spring
- 13:14:31 [chris]
- [Kevin] call schedule with OASIS
- 13:14:48 [mercedesccs]
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- [Kevin] reach out to World Bank or other orgs for sponsorship
- 13:14:55 [johnlsheridan]
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- 13:15:02 [TvE]
- don't forget to connect to the CEN activities
- 13:15:08 [chris]
- [Kevin] roll call
- 13:16:08 [kevin]
- rachel flag is giving overview of us federal web managers group
- 13:16:23 [kevin]
- she recently joined as an invited expert
- 13:16:53 [kevin]
- she is willing to reach out to others in her community for involvement
- 13:18:30 [kevin]
- welcome to Tom
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- 13:18:47 [Rinke]
- Tom van Engers and Rinke HOekstra
- 13:19:15 [Benjamin]
- Benjamin Nguyen from University of Versailles
- 13:19:31 [kevin]
- Hi Jose
- 13:19:49 [TvE]
- More information on the Leibniz Center for Law can be found on www.LeibnizCenter.org
- 13:20:10 [josema]
- Hi all, just here two minutes in case anybody needs help with logistics (hope things are workin :)
- 13:20:14 [kevin]
- any one else new to the group this week?
- 13:20:30 [kevin]
- we are trying hard to get through without you :)
- 13:20:52 [josema]
- come on!
- 13:21:19 [johnlsheridan]
- I'm only on IRC this week I'm afraid (actually I'm on holiday - but thought I'd join you anyway)
- 13:21:23 [josema]
- btw, welcome to our new Group Members and thanks for participating
- 13:21:41 [josema]
- nobody scribing today?
- 13:23:41 [kjetil]
- worse, a policy against IRC...
- 13:23:57 [josema]
- ouch!
- 13:24:03 [kevin]
- Katie is doing it although she isnt on irc
- 13:26:08 [josema]
- thanks, Katie!
- 13:26:52 [peter_krantz]
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- 13:28:41 [Zakim]
- +peter_krantz
- 13:30:01 [chris]
- Do we see the group structure as roughly following the following: 1. best practices /approaches
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- 2. policy
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- 3. technical standards
- 13:31:19 [josema]
- RRSAgent, pointer?
- 13:31:19 [RRSAgent]
- See http://www.w3.org/2008/07/09-egov-irc#T13-31-19
- 13:31:44 [Rinke]
- RRSAgent, make records public
- 13:31:46 [kevin]
- Jose can you answer the IRC question
- 13:32:03 [darobin]
- our IRC logs are public
- 13:32:10 [josema]
- sure, the answer is the pointer above ;)
- 13:33:24 [oazanon]
- hi, I'm here
- 13:33:26 [oazanon]
- :)
- 13:33:34 [kevin]
- we are going to move on to having the subchairs talk about the work of the subgroups
- 13:33:40 [josema]
- btw, Rinke, and also minutes will be public after the meeting
- 13:33:52 [Zakim]
- +??P3
- 13:34:15 [Rinke]
- ok, thanks.. I was just wondering whether it was general W3C policy to have everything public
- 13:34:26 [Rinke]
- guess it is ;)
- 13:34:55 [darobin]
- Rinke: no, it's not, but this group tries to be very public
- 13:35:04 [Zakim]
- + +1.202.501.aadd
- 13:35:06 [josema]
- exactly
- 13:35:12 [Rinke]
- ok, thanks.
- 13:35:26 [peter_krantz]
- Zakim, who is on the phone?
- 13:35:26 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see ??P0, kevin, Chris, Benjamin, +1.509.464.aabb, Rinke, OwenAmbur, kjetil (muted), darobin (muted), Oscar, peter_krantz, ??P3, +1.202.501.aadd
- 13:35:29 [Zakim]
- Rinke has TvE
- 13:35:37 [darobin]
- we embrace transparency and the use of Web technology in our own govenance
- 13:35:43 [johnlsheridan]
- I've just dialled in :)
- 13:36:02 [Rinke]
- zakim, aadd is johnlsheridan
- 13:36:02 [Zakim]
- +johnlsheridan; got it
- 13:36:24 [darobin]
- josema: our scribe isn't on IRC so Zakim is only so much help
- 13:36:47 [josema]
- ah, yes...
- 13:37:31 [josema]
- I'm sure the scribe and participants are smart enough anyway :)
- 13:38:12 [josema]
- I gotta run now, sorry about that, wish you a productive call
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- 13:39:11 [kevin]
- Chris has started the next item on the agenda
- 13:39:37 [kevin]
- I will get notes from Katie and try to pull both the irc log and her notes together so we have a coherent summary/notes of our call
- 13:42:06 [kevin]
- Chris has asked if we have a definition of what standards are and how we want to define them]
- 13:42:44 [kevin]
- Areas chris wants to look at are baseline standards compliance
- 13:43:03 [kevin]
- markup and validation are not uniform across govt agencies web
- 13:43:05 [TvE]
- An overwhelming amount of research after web services used is available both from previously run EU sponsored eGov projects as well as by the different national governments
- 13:43:20 [TvE]
- Let's no redo that work.
- 13:43:26 [kevin]
- series of best practices, accessibility
- 13:43:32 [kevin]
- Agreed
- 13:43:56 [kevin]
- We dont need to recreate the wheel and should ensure we know and evaluate all the work that has been done
- 13:45:53 [darobin]
- Zakim, who's making noise?
- 13:45:56 [peter_krantz]
- Zakim, who is noisy?
- 13:46:04 [Zakim]
- darobin, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P0 (5%), ??P3 (45%), johnlsheridan (5%)
- 13:46:15 [Zakim]
- peter_krantz, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: ??P3 (24%), peter_krantz (5%)
- 13:46:58 [kevin]
- seems all clear now
- 13:47:46 [Rinke]
- q+ to make a point of order
- 13:48:27 [TvE]
- there might be specific training needs in governments and their clients which we should include in this activity or not
- 13:50:23 [kevin]
- is anyone participating on the internationalization working group (w3c)?
- 13:52:39 [kjetil]
- q?
- 13:53:07 [Rinke]
- q-
- 13:54:43 [kevin]
- Chris closed his section,
- 13:55:02 [kevin]
- Tom is talking and asking about open government standards for eu
- 13:55:30 [kevin]
- reference to links already on wiki
- 13:56:07 [kjetil]
- what's the URL of the wiki, again?
- 13:56:21 [kevin]
- give me one second and will publish up
- 13:56:55 [Rinke]
- http://www.w3.org/2007/eGov/IG/wiki/
- 13:58:01 [kevin]
- thanks for posting
- 13:58:42 [Rinke]
- you're welcome. It seems that the wiki is unprotected, though: anyone can make an account.
- 13:59:20 [kevin]
- I will check this out. We want the wiki to be open to read but not edit (with the exception of all the group members)
- 13:59:39 [kevin]
- Jose has given me admin access while he is on holiday and will see what I can do
- 13:59:49 [Rinke]
- ok, great
- 14:02:07 [kevin]
- oscar is providing a review of where he sees his work goup
- 14:02:14 [kevin]
- heading
- 14:03:48 [kevin]
- response, I will post draft activity plan along with drat deliverables to the wiki later today for feedback
- 14:05:54 [kevin]
- oscar is speaking about the use case format
- 14:06:10 [kevin]
- he has a paragraph posted to the wiki with a suggested format
- 14:09:36 [peter_krantz]
- peter asked if there will be a more lightweight way to capture a use case
- 14:11:18 [kevin]
- owen is mentioning how he had to change the template to get his content posted
- 14:12:11 [kevin]
- oscar is responding and is mentioned we need a tool to help us relate use cases to the goals of the egov group
- 14:12:33 [Rinke]
- q+ to talk about templates
- 14:12:55 [kevin]
- ok
- 14:17:36 [Benjamin]
- notes : http://www.w3.org/2005/10/Process-20051014/tr.html#WGNote
- 14:17:56 [Rinke]
- kevin, I can login to the wiki, but am unable to make any changes... so I guess the wiki is protected
- 14:18:19 [kevin]
- ok that is good to know
- 14:18:45 [TvE]
- to know what?
- 14:19:46 [kevin]
- that there is security on the wiki. I will look into getting you access,
- 14:19:53 [Rinke]
- thanks
- 14:19:57 [TvE]
- *perfecto!
- 14:23:01 [darobin]
- Zakim, unmute me
- 14:23:01 [Zakim]
- darobin should no longer be muted
- 14:23:02 [kevin]
- Richard Murphey is asking different between report and note definition
- 14:24:47 [darobin]
- Zakim, mute me
- 14:24:47 [Zakim]
- darobin should now be muted
- 14:24:58 [Benjamin]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xquery-use-cases/
- 14:26:48 [kevin]
- any additional items that should be added to today's call or others feel need to be addressed in future calls?
- 14:29:34 [darobin]
- Aug 6
- 14:30:40 [peter_krantz]
- I am on vacation too (Sweden you know...) until aug 25
- 14:30:47 [TvE]
- * congratulations
- 14:30:54 [darobin]
- :)
- 14:32:00 [TvE]
- no comments
- 14:32:01 [Rinke]
- thanks
- 14:32:18 [Zakim]
- -peter_krantz
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- -kjetil
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- -johnlsheridan
- 14:32:25 [Rinke]
- bye
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- -??P0
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- -OwenAmbur
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- -darobin
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- -Chris
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- - +1.509.464.aabb
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- -Rinke
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- -kevin
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- -Oscar
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- -Benjamin
- 14:32:49 [darobin]
- kjetil: where're you going this time?
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- -??P3
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- T&S_EGOV()9:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were kevin, Chris, +39.25.aaaa, +1.509.464.aabb, OwenAmbur, +0476783aacc, darobin, kjetil, Benjamin, TvE, Oscar, peter_krantz, +1.202.501.aadd, johnlsheridan
- 14:33:24 [peter_krantz]
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- 14:33:56 [kevin]
- thank you all
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