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11:51:20 <steph> zakim, this will be MW4D
11:51:20 <Zakim> ok, steph; I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
11:51:32 <steph> zakim, make log public
11:51:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make log public', steph
11:51:39 <steph> rrsagent, make log public
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11:56:42 <steph> hi Evan
11:56:46 <steph> good to see you
11:56:49 <steph> zakim, code ?
11:56:49 <Zakim> the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
11:57:12 <ewheeler> hello steph. thanks you too
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11:57:23 <Zakim> UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
11:57:30 <Zakim> +EricM
11:57:35 <jeffs> hello,it's jeffs from RIT in the States
11:57:41 <steph> zakim ericm is me
11:57:45 <steph> zakim, ericm is me
11:57:45 <Zakim> +steph; got it
11:57:49 <steph> Hi Jeff
11:58:06 <steph> this is Stephane
11:58:13 <jeffs> hey there, thanks a lot for the work to make this group actually happen
11:58:26 <steph> you are welcome !
11:58:31 <steph> thank for your constant support !
11:58:46 <Zakim> + +1.336.413.aaaa
11:58:59 <steph> zakim, aaaa is Evan
11:58:59 <Zakim> +Evan; got it
11:59:35 <jeffs> having problem w getting on conf syss
11:59:48 <steph> what kind of problem ?
12:00:37 <jeffs> says mw4d# not valid conf code
12:00:56 <jeffs> let me redial & retry
12:01:37 <Zakim> + +41.22.730.aabb
12:01:48 <Zakim> + +0239236aacc
12:01:52 <steph> zakim, aabb
12:01:52 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb', steph
12:01:57 <steph> zakim, aabb is Raphael
12:01:57 <Zakim> +Raphael; got it
12:01:58 <Zakim> +jeffs
12:02:23 <Zakim> +??P7
12:02:25 <jeffs> zakim, mute jeffs
12:02:25 <Zakim> jeffs should now be muted
12:02:44 <steph> zakim, ??P7 is JD
12:02:44 <Zakim> +JD; got it
12:02:50 <jeffs> spkr phone suxs... going to get earbuds
12:03:26 <jeffs> zakim unmute jeffs
12:03:43 <jeffs> zakim, unmute jeffs
12:03:43 <Zakim> jeffs should no longer be muted
12:03:51 <steph> zakim, aacc is Adesina
12:03:51 <Zakim> +Adesina; got it
12:03:57 <Zakim> + +1.206.855.aadd
12:03:58 <steph> zakim, who is here ?
12:03:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see steph, Evan, Raphael, Adesina, jeffs, JD, +1.206.855.aadd
12:03:59 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeffs, ewheeler, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph
12:04:19 <Zakim> + +1.509.443.aaee
12:04:41 <steph> zakim, aaee is bill
12:04:44 <Zakim> +bill; got it
12:04:48 <jeffs> zakim, mute me
12:04:48 <Zakim> jeffs should now be muted
12:04:53 <steph> zakim, aadd is MaryAnn
12:04:54 <Zakim> +MaryAnn; got it
12:05:20 <jeffs> if running firefox, chatzilla works great 
12:05:30 <Zakim> + +55115586aaff
12:05:38 <jeffs> irc is the official record too
12:05:52 <steph> zakim, aaff is tigao 
12:05:52 <Zakim> +tigao; got it
12:06:06 <steph> zakim, who is here ?
12:06:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see steph, Evan, Raphael, Adesina, jeffs (muted), JD, MaryAnn, bill, tigao
12:06:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeffs, ewheeler, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph
12:08:13 <jeffs> (groan) I'll try it today ONLY
12:08:28 <jeffs> some other victim next time <evil_grin/>
12:08:33 <steph> of course
12:09:07 <jeffs> introductions time...
12:09:13 <steph> Topic: introduction
12:10:50 <jeffs> introduction: Evan from UNICEF
12:11:21 <jeffs> introduction: 
12:11:38 <steph> papers from workshop in BRazil: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/MS4D_WS/papers/
12:11:44 <ewheeler> zakim, mute me
12:11:44 <Zakim> sorry, ewheeler, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
12:11:46 <jeffs> introduction: Raphael from International Trade Center
12:11:52 <steph> (Evan, Raphael papers)
12:12:00 <steph> Raphael Dard
12:13:05 <jeffs> introduction: Adesina policy globally & health issues
12:13:23 <jeffs> zakim, unmute me
12:13:23 <Zakim> jeffs should no longer be muted
12:13:40 <steph> Jeff: Rochester institute
12:13:45 <steph> member of MWBP WG
12:13:54 <steph> interested in power of mobile devices
12:14:00 <steph> for comm between people
12:14:04 <jeffs> zakim, mute me
12:14:04 <Zakim> jeffs should now be muted
12:14:05 <steph> scribe: jeffs
12:14:32 <jeffs> introduction: JD from Nokia
12:14:58 <ewheeler> zakim, aaaa is ewheeler
12:14:58 <Zakim> sorry, ewheeler, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
12:15:26 <jeffs> introduction: MaryAnn from Walt Disney 
12:15:42 <jeffs> introduction: bill
12:15:56 <steph> EFR Source
12:16:02 <jeffs> Bill from EFR Source in Washington State US
12:16:35 <jeffs> introduction: tigao 
12:16:56 <steph> s/tigao/Tadao/ ?
12:17:08 <jeffs> worldwide econ analysis & info
12:17:34 <steph> yes, zakim, tigao is Tadao
12:17:39 <steph> zakim, tigao is Tadao
12:17:39 <Zakim> +Tadao; got it
12:18:01 <steph> zakim, who is here ?
12:18:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see steph, Evan, Raphael, Adesina, jeffs (muted), JD, MaryAnn, bill, Tadao
12:18:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeffs, ewheeler, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph
12:18:40 <jeffs> proposed agenda shift, move last item to beginning
12:18:55 <steph> Topic: How to leverage participation from Developing Countries
12:19:16 <jeffs> Topic: how to leverage participation from Developing Countries
12:20:06 <jeffs> two previous workshops, clear need to mix views of people from different parts of the world & different needs/situations
12:20:34 <jeffs> getting some mailing list participation now from people from developing regions
12:20:57 <jeffs> question: key items/barriers to more participation?
12:21:07 <steph> adesina
12:21:52 <jeffs> cost of teleconference connections barrier to participation from ppl in developing world
12:22:30 <jeffs> note presence of many small NGOs, suggests many small mtgs in developing world
12:23:15 <steph> gary marsden from UCT
12:26:00 <jeffs> Raphael: has contact w person in Ghana
12:26:09 <steph> on tradenet
12:26:17 <steph> s/om tradenet/about tradenet/
12:26:23 <steph> s/on tradenet/about tradenet/
12:26:52 <jeffs> expand reach of this group & discussion  through mtg participants actively inviting in ppl from our personal networks
12:27:29 <jeffs> steph: framework discussion may make easier to see who to attract
12:27:42 <Mari> Mari has joined #mw4d
12:27:57 <jeffs> my contribution: need to hear about needs from ppl who live & work there
12:29:04 <jeffs> note by speaker of languages potential problem in mtgs
12:29:42 <jeffs> Evan: est framework 1st, then maybe survey or topics-list to discuss w colleagues around the world
12:31:30 <steph> now stephane 
12:31:33 <steph> before JD
12:31:37 <steph> and beofre Evan
12:31:40 <jeffs> steph: consider 2-levels of participation... ppl like on this call today dealing w 1 specific topic per mtg & inviting ppl from our networks in for specific topics
12:32:01 <steph> yep
12:32:44 <steph> raphael Dard
12:33:07 <steph> http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/wiki/
12:33:27 <jeffs> raphael: likes wiki idea
12:33:54 <jeffs> steph: need to discuss how to make contributions happen smoothly
12:34:07 <steph> ACTION: stephane to start a discussion about the wiki on ht emailing-list
12:34:36 <jeffs> steph: proposes move to major topic (framework) now
12:35:14 <jeffs> Topic: proposed Framework or scope definition
12:35:42 <jeffs> steph: start discussion by putting out some ideas to start with
12:36:54 <jeffs> steph: name of group (mobile web for development) reflects reasons for group
12:37:43 <jeffs> group to explore how to make services/expansions beyond SMS etc; having a browser on the device is not enough
12:38:22 <jeffs> I was just saying the req'd client-side s/w would be in place/ubiquitous for basic Web connectivity
12:39:51 <jeffs> zakim, who is here?
12:39:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see steph, Evan, Raphael, Adesina, jeffs (muted), JD, MaryAnn, bill, Tadao
12:39:54 <Zakim> On IRC I see Mari, jeffs, ewheeler, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph
12:40:19 <jeffs> Adesina: what is scope? h/w? s/w? other things?
12:40:55 <jeffs> Adesina: possible 3 segments: tech aspects, end-user, social/innovative development factors
12:41:09 <jeffs> segment this group along those lines?
12:42:07 <jeffs> (stepping out of scribe mode)keep as 1 group but address all 3 areas(scribing again)
12:42:24 <steph> ok
12:43:26 <jeffs> Adesina: global trend in devices towards mobile/portable devs in between smart phones & laptops
12:43:27 <steph> adesina: trend is mobile device, between mobile phones and laptop
12:44:06 <jeffs> jeffs says like emerging "sub-notebook" category (OLPC etc)
12:44:27 <jeffs> jeffs suggests: think mobile device not mobile phone
12:44:56 <jeffs> Adesina: knowledge workers esp need in-between devices
12:46:12 <jeffs> steph: dangerous to focus on guessing future; Adesina: presenting what encountered
12:46:34 <jeffs> Mari: good to have scope discussion, devices need to be taken into consideration
12:47:40 <jeffs> Mari: list out items needed to be dealt with (broad scope of toipics), deal w one at a time one per mtg
12:48:13 <steph> evan
12:48:58 <jeffs> Evan: ubiquitous device pattern can be expected to persist in other regions, no matter the appropriate form-factor for that person/scenerio
12:49:07 <steph> JD
12:49:42 <jeffs> JD: simpler phones are cheaper, so they are attractive purchasing options for folks
12:50:04 <jeffs> JD: likes idea of topical discussions (ea has mtg of its own)
12:51:26 <jeffs> steph: agree, lots of projects ongoing recent years; wants to gather findings together & help avoid reinventing wheel syndrome
12:53:32 <jeffs> steph: wants to help make number of new projects in this area curve exponentially higher, like web pages did. sees gathering existing materials as one route to that 
12:53:51 <jeffs> steph: match issues to specific findings already in lit
12:55:17 <jeffs> Adesina: experience shows don't put out into developing world feature-less devices, will fail, & line between types of devicesw blurring
12:55:32 <jeffs> s/devicesw/devices
12:56:10 <jeffs> Adesina: cost, market segmentation basic issues 
12:56:38 <jeffs> steph: cost is one thing, adaption is another
12:57:01 <jeffs> easier to extend power of devs ppl already have than to get new devs out there
12:57:49 <ewheeler> raphael
12:58:15 <jeffs> raphael: discussion of using the wiki
12:59:08 <jeffs> raphael: likes the structure of the wiki also, provides focus for this & fuiture discussions
12:59:31 <jeffs> rafael: use the wiki, use the wiki, use the wiki
13:00:03 <jeffs> s/fuiture/future
13:01:09 <ewheeler> evan
13:01:15 <jeffs> Evan: other webites available to read, let us leverage
13:01:26 <jeffs> s/webites/websites
13:01:57 <jeffs> steph: get set up on wiki, use it, good organizing tool
13:03:25 <jeffs> Adesina: focus on ppl already using these devices might be good for start
13:04:10 <jeffs> step: will try to summarize the discussion over the next few days
13:04:17 <jeffs> s/step/steph
13:04:41 <jeffs> steph: next mtg: 21 JULY same time same virtual place
13:04:55 <jeffs> zakim, unmute me
13:04:55 <Zakim> jeffs should no longer be muted
13:05:01 <Zakim> -bill
13:05:03 <Zakim> -JD
13:05:26 <Zakim> -MaryAnn
13:05:27 <Zakim> -Tadao
13:06:12 <Zakim> -jeffs
13:06:30 <Zakim> -steph
13:06:37 <Zakim> -Evan
13:06:44 <Zakim> -Raphael
13:06:45 <steph> rrsagent, make logs
13:06:45 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs', steph.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
13:06:45 <Zakim> -Adesina
13:06:46 <Zakim> UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
13:06:47 <Zakim> Attendees were steph, +1.336.413.aaaa, Evan, +41.22.730.aabb, +0239236aacc, Raphael, jeffs, JD, Adesina, +1.206.855.aadd, +1.509.443.aaee, bill, MaryAnn, +55115586aaff, Tadao
13:06:50 <steph> rrsagent, make minutes
13:06:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/07-mw4d-minutes.html steph
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