IRC log of mw4d on 2008-07-07
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- 11:51:13 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #mw4d
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/07-mw4d-irc
- 11:51:20 [steph]
- zakim, this will be MW4D
- 11:51:20 [Zakim]
- ok, steph; I see UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM scheduled to start in 9 minutes
- 11:51:32 [steph]
- zakim, make log public
- 11:51:32 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'make log public', steph
- 11:51:39 [steph]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 11:53:20 [ewheeler]
- ewheeler has joined #mw4d
- 11:56:42 [steph]
- hi Evan
- 11:56:46 [steph]
- good to see you
- 11:56:49 [steph]
- zakim, code ?
- 11:56:49 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 6493 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), steph
- 11:57:12 [ewheeler]
- hello steph. thanks you too
- 11:57:12 [jeffs]
- jeffs has joined #mw4d
- 11:57:23 [Zakim]
- UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has now started
- 11:57:30 [Zakim]
- +EricM
- 11:57:35 [jeffs]
- hello,it's jeffs from RIT in the States
- 11:57:41 [steph]
- zakim ericm is me
- 11:57:45 [steph]
- zakim, ericm is me
- 11:57:45 [Zakim]
- +steph; got it
- 11:57:49 [steph]
- Hi Jeff
- 11:58:06 [steph]
- this is Stephane
- 11:58:13 [jeffs]
- hey there, thanks a lot for the work to make this group actually happen
- 11:58:26 [steph]
- you are welcome !
- 11:58:31 [steph]
- thank for your constant support !
- 11:58:46 [Zakim]
- + +1.336.413.aaaa
- 11:58:59 [steph]
- zakim, aaaa is Evan
- 11:58:59 [Zakim]
- +Evan; got it
- 11:59:35 [jeffs]
- having problem w getting on conf syss
- 11:59:48 [steph]
- what kind of problem ?
- 12:00:37 [jeffs]
- says mw4d# not valid conf code
- 12:00:56 [jeffs]
- let me redial & retry
- 12:01:37 [Zakim]
- + +41.22.730.aabb
- 12:01:48 [Zakim]
- + +0239236aacc
- 12:01:52 [steph]
- zakim, aabb
- 12:01:52 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'aabb', steph
- 12:01:57 [steph]
- zakim, aabb is Raphael
- 12:01:57 [Zakim]
- +Raphael; got it
- 12:01:58 [Zakim]
- +jeffs
- 12:02:23 [Zakim]
- +??P7
- 12:02:25 [jeffs]
- zakim, mute jeffs
- 12:02:25 [Zakim]
- jeffs should now be muted
- 12:02:44 [steph]
- zakim, ??P7 is JD
- 12:02:44 [Zakim]
- +JD; got it
- 12:02:50 [jeffs]
- spkr phone suxs... going to get earbuds
- 12:03:26 [jeffs]
- zakim unmute jeffs
- 12:03:43 [jeffs]
- zakim, unmute jeffs
- 12:03:43 [Zakim]
- jeffs should no longer be muted
- 12:03:51 [steph]
- zakim, aacc is Adesina
- 12:03:51 [Zakim]
- +Adesina; got it
- 12:03:57 [Zakim]
- + +1.206.855.aadd
- 12:03:58 [steph]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 12:03:58 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see steph, Evan, Raphael, Adesina, jeffs, JD, +1.206.855.aadd
- 12:03:59 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see jeffs, ewheeler, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph
- 12:04:19 [Zakim]
- + +1.509.443.aaee
- 12:04:41 [steph]
- zakim, aaee is bill
- 12:04:44 [Zakim]
- +bill; got it
- 12:04:48 [jeffs]
- zakim, mute me
- 12:04:48 [Zakim]
- jeffs should now be muted
- 12:04:53 [steph]
- zakim, aadd is MaryAnn
- 12:04:54 [Zakim]
- +MaryAnn; got it
- 12:05:20 [jeffs]
- if running firefox, chatzilla works great
- 12:05:30 [Zakim]
- + +55115586aaff
- 12:05:38 [jeffs]
- irc is the official record too
- 12:05:52 [steph]
- zakim, aaff is tigao
- 12:05:52 [Zakim]
- +tigao; got it
- 12:06:06 [steph]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 12:06:06 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see steph, Evan, Raphael, Adesina, jeffs (muted), JD, MaryAnn, bill, tigao
- 12:06:08 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see jeffs, ewheeler, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph
- 12:08:13 [jeffs]
- (groan) I'll try it today ONLY
- 12:08:28 [jeffs]
- some other victim next time <evil_grin/>
- 12:08:33 [steph]
- of course
- 12:09:07 [jeffs]
- introductions time...
- 12:09:13 [steph]
- Topic: introduction
- 12:10:50 [jeffs]
- introduction: Evan from UNICEF
- 12:11:21 [jeffs]
- introduction:
- 12:11:38 [steph]
- papers from workshop in BRazil: http://www.w3.org/2008/02/MS4D_WS/papers/
- 12:11:44 [ewheeler]
- zakim, mute me
- 12:11:44 [Zakim]
- sorry, ewheeler, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
- 12:11:46 [jeffs]
- introduction: Raphael from International Trade Center
- 12:11:52 [steph]
- (Evan, Raphael papers)
- 12:12:00 [steph]
- Raphael Dard
- 12:13:05 [jeffs]
- introduction: Adesina policy globally & health issues
- 12:13:23 [jeffs]
- zakim, unmute me
- 12:13:23 [Zakim]
- jeffs should no longer be muted
- 12:13:40 [steph]
- Jeff: Rochester institute
- 12:13:45 [steph]
- member of MWBP WG
- 12:13:54 [steph]
- interested in power of mobile devices
- 12:14:00 [steph]
- for comm between people
- 12:14:04 [jeffs]
- zakim, mute me
- 12:14:04 [Zakim]
- jeffs should now be muted
- 12:14:05 [steph]
- scribe: jeffs
- 12:14:32 [jeffs]
- introduction: JD from Nokia
- 12:14:58 [ewheeler]
- zakim, aaaa is ewheeler
- 12:14:58 [Zakim]
- sorry, ewheeler, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
- 12:15:26 [jeffs]
- introduction: MaryAnn from Walt Disney
- 12:15:42 [jeffs]
- introduction: bill
- 12:15:56 [steph]
- EFR Source
- 12:16:02 [jeffs]
- Bill from EFR Source in Washington State US
- 12:16:35 [jeffs]
- introduction: tigao
- 12:16:56 [steph]
- s/tigao/Tadao/ ?
- 12:17:08 [jeffs]
- worldwide econ analysis & info
- 12:17:34 [steph]
- yes, zakim, tigao is Tadao
- 12:17:39 [steph]
- zakim, tigao is Tadao
- 12:17:39 [Zakim]
- +Tadao; got it
- 12:18:01 [steph]
- zakim, who is here ?
- 12:18:01 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see steph, Evan, Raphael, Adesina, jeffs (muted), JD, MaryAnn, bill, Tadao
- 12:18:03 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see jeffs, ewheeler, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph
- 12:18:40 [jeffs]
- proposed agenda shift, move last item to beginning
- 12:18:55 [steph]
- Topic: How to leverage participation from Developing Countries
- 12:19:16 [jeffs]
- Topic: how to leverage participation from Developing Countries
- 12:20:06 [jeffs]
- two previous workshops, clear need to mix views of people from different parts of the world & different needs/situations
- 12:20:34 [jeffs]
- getting some mailing list participation now from people from developing regions
- 12:20:57 [jeffs]
- question: key items/barriers to more participation?
- 12:21:07 [steph]
- adesina
- 12:21:52 [jeffs]
- cost of teleconference connections barrier to participation from ppl in developing world
- 12:22:30 [jeffs]
- note presence of many small NGOs, suggests many small mtgs in developing world
- 12:23:15 [steph]
- gary marsden from UCT
- 12:26:00 [jeffs]
- Raphael: has contact w person in Ghana
- 12:26:09 [steph]
- on tradenet
- 12:26:17 [steph]
- s/om tradenet/about tradenet/
- 12:26:23 [steph]
- s/on tradenet/about tradenet/
- 12:26:52 [jeffs]
- expand reach of this group & discussion through mtg participants actively inviting in ppl from our personal networks
- 12:27:29 [jeffs]
- steph: framework discussion may make easier to see who to attract
- 12:27:42 [Mari]
- Mari has joined #mw4d
- 12:27:57 [jeffs]
- my contribution: need to hear about needs from ppl who live & work there
- 12:29:04 [jeffs]
- note by speaker of languages potential problem in mtgs
- 12:29:42 [jeffs]
- Evan: est framework 1st, then maybe survey or topics-list to discuss w colleagues around the world
- 12:31:30 [steph]
- now stephane
- 12:31:33 [steph]
- before JD
- 12:31:37 [steph]
- and beofre Evan
- 12:31:40 [jeffs]
- steph: consider 2-levels of participation... ppl like on this call today dealing w 1 specific topic per mtg & inviting ppl from our networks in for specific topics
- 12:32:01 [steph]
- yep
- 12:32:44 [steph]
- raphael Dard
- 12:33:07 [steph]
- http://www.w3.org/2006/12/digital_divide/wiki/
- 12:33:27 [jeffs]
- raphael: likes wiki idea
- 12:33:54 [jeffs]
- steph: need to discuss how to make contributions happen smoothly
- 12:34:07 [steph]
- ACTION: stephane to start a discussion about the wiki on ht emailing-list
- 12:34:36 [jeffs]
- steph: proposes move to major topic (framework) now
- 12:35:14 [jeffs]
- Topic: proposed Framework or scope definition
- 12:35:42 [jeffs]
- steph: start discussion by putting out some ideas to start with
- 12:36:54 [jeffs]
- steph: name of group (mobile web for development) reflects reasons for group
- 12:37:43 [jeffs]
- group to explore how to make services/expansions beyond SMS etc; having a browser on the device is not enough
- 12:38:22 [jeffs]
- I was just saying the req'd client-side s/w would be in place/ubiquitous for basic Web connectivity
- 12:39:51 [jeffs]
- zakim, who is here?
- 12:39:51 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see steph, Evan, Raphael, Adesina, jeffs (muted), JD, MaryAnn, bill, Tadao
- 12:39:54 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Mari, jeffs, ewheeler, RRSAgent, Zakim, steph
- 12:40:19 [jeffs]
- Adesina: what is scope? h/w? s/w? other things?
- 12:40:55 [jeffs]
- Adesina: possible 3 segments: tech aspects, end-user, social/innovative development factors
- 12:41:09 [jeffs]
- segment this group along those lines?
- 12:42:07 [jeffs]
- (stepping out of scribe mode)keep as 1 group but address all 3 areas(scribing again)
- 12:42:24 [steph]
- ok
- 12:43:26 [jeffs]
- Adesina: global trend in devices towards mobile/portable devs in between smart phones & laptops
- 12:43:27 [steph]
- adesina: trend is mobile device, between mobile phones and laptop
- 12:44:06 [jeffs]
- jeffs says like emerging "sub-notebook" category (OLPC etc)
- 12:44:27 [jeffs]
- jeffs suggests: think mobile device not mobile phone
- 12:44:56 [jeffs]
- Adesina: knowledge workers esp need in-between devices
- 12:46:12 [jeffs]
- steph: dangerous to focus on guessing future; Adesina: presenting what encountered
- 12:46:34 [jeffs]
- Mari: good to have scope discussion, devices need to be taken into consideration
- 12:47:40 [jeffs]
- Mari: list out items needed to be dealt with (broad scope of toipics), deal w one at a time one per mtg
- 12:48:13 [steph]
- evan
- 12:48:58 [jeffs]
- Evan: ubiquitous device pattern can be expected to persist in other regions, no matter the appropriate form-factor for that person/scenerio
- 12:49:07 [steph]
- JD
- 12:49:42 [jeffs]
- JD: simpler phones are cheaper, so they are attractive purchasing options for folks
- 12:50:04 [jeffs]
- JD: likes idea of topical discussions (ea has mtg of its own)
- 12:51:26 [jeffs]
- steph: agree, lots of projects ongoing recent years; wants to gather findings together & help avoid reinventing wheel syndrome
- 12:53:32 [jeffs]
- steph: wants to help make number of new projects in this area curve exponentially higher, like web pages did. sees gathering existing materials as one route to that
- 12:53:51 [jeffs]
- steph: match issues to specific findings already in lit
- 12:55:17 [jeffs]
- Adesina: experience shows don't put out into developing world feature-less devices, will fail, & line between types of devicesw blurring
- 12:55:32 [jeffs]
- s/devicesw/devices
- 12:56:10 [jeffs]
- Adesina: cost, market segmentation basic issues
- 12:56:38 [jeffs]
- steph: cost is one thing, adaption is another
- 12:57:01 [jeffs]
- easier to extend power of devs ppl already have than to get new devs out there
- 12:57:49 [ewheeler]
- raphael
- 12:58:15 [jeffs]
- raphael: discussion of using the wiki
- 12:59:08 [jeffs]
- raphael: likes the structure of the wiki also, provides focus for this & fuiture discussions
- 12:59:31 [jeffs]
- rafael: use the wiki, use the wiki, use the wiki
- 13:00:03 [jeffs]
- s/fuiture/future
- 13:01:09 [ewheeler]
- evan
- 13:01:15 [jeffs]
- Evan: other webites available to read, let us leverage
- 13:01:26 [jeffs]
- s/webites/websites
- 13:01:57 [jeffs]
- steph: get set up on wiki, use it, good organizing tool
- 13:03:25 [jeffs]
- Adesina: focus on ppl already using these devices might be good for start
- 13:04:10 [jeffs]
- step: will try to summarize the discussion over the next few days
- 13:04:17 [jeffs]
- s/step/steph
- 13:04:41 [jeffs]
- steph: next mtg: 21 JULY same time same virtual place
- 13:04:55 [jeffs]
- zakim, unmute me
- 13:04:55 [Zakim]
- jeffs should no longer be muted
- 13:05:01 [Zakim]
- -bill
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- -JD
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- -Tadao
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- -jeffs
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- -steph
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- -Evan
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- -Raphael
- 13:06:45 [steph]
- rrsagent, make logs
- 13:06:45 [RRSAgent]
- I'm logging. I don't understand 'make logs', steph. Try /msg RRSAgent help
- 13:06:45 [Zakim]
- -Adesina
- 13:06:46 [Zakim]
- UW_MW4D IG()8:00AM has ended
- 13:06:47 [Zakim]
- Attendees were steph, +1.336.413.aaaa, Evan, +41.22.730.aabb, +0239236aacc, Raphael, jeffs, JD, Adesina, +1.206.855.aadd, +1.509.443.aaee, bill, MaryAnn, +55115586aaff, Tadao
- 13:06:50 [steph]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 13:06:50 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/07-mw4d-minutes.html steph
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