IRC log of tsdtf on 2008-07-01

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12:32:29 [Zakim]

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12:32:35 [shadi]

zakim, this will bbe tsd

12:32:35 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'this will bbe tsd', shadi

12:32:40 [shadi]

zakim, this will be tsd

12:32:40 [Zakim]

ok, shadi; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago

12:32:57 [shadi]

zakim, code?

12:32:57 [Zakim]

the conference code is 8783 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi

12:33:06 [shadi]

zakim, who is on the phone?

12:33:06 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has not yet started, shadi

12:33:07 [Zakim]

On IRC I see RRSAgent, Christophe, shadi, carlosI

12:33:18 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started

12:33:25 [Zakim]

+Christophe_Strobbe

12:33:41 [Zakim]

+shadi

12:33:53 [Zakim]

+CarlosI

12:35:40 [Christophe]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Jun/0024.html

12:35:48 [Christophe]

Chair: Christophe

12:36:19 [Christophe]

regrets: CarlosV, Tim

12:36:55 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Reviewing remapped test samples

12:37:05 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Schedule for meetings during July-August(-September)

12:37:06 [shadi]

scribe: Shadi

12:37:55 [shadi]

CS: a few things that need clarification

12:39:41 [shadi]

...testElement, elementName, and specReference are child nodes of testElements

12:40:07 [shadi]

CI: testElements was designed according to the WCAG 2.0 Baseline approach

12:40:19 [shadi]

...we kept it until we see what happens with WCAG 2.0

12:40:27 [shadi]

...still a pending decision

12:41:03 [shadi]

...time to move on, now that we have a clear view of how the WCAG 2.0 concept looks like

12:41:25 [shadi]

...need to take a decision and update the metadata accordingly

12:41:49 [shadi]

CS: the test elements are very useful for filtering the test sample

12:42:15 [shadi]

...WCAG WG looking at creating data to define Accessibility Supported Technologies

12:42:37 [shadi]

...if we drop this, we may drop data that WCAG WG may be interested in

12:45:07 [shadi]

SAZ: seems to be a real issue, we have not revisted this concept since the change of Baseline

12:45:27 [shadi]

...however, AST still under discussion in WCAG WG

12:45:46 [shadi]

...may be best to wait for PR stage of the guidelines until the approach is more stable

12:45:53 [shadi]

...and we understand the requirements

12:46:11 [shadi]

...we can drop this data at anytime, it is not hindering our work right now

12:47:27 [shadi]

SAZ: maybe we should add the sub-nodes of testElements in the metadata

12:47:45 [shadi]

...knowing that it is under discussion and could be dropped at any time

12:48:09 [shadi]

action: CS update the metadata document to reflect the subnodes under testElements

12:49:40 [shadi]

CS: added some notes in the metadata to help me keep track of the updated test samples

12:50:11 [shadi]

...between what is uploaded and what is on the BenToWeb site

12:51:37 [shadi]

SAZ: ok to keep these internal notes for now, but should clarify that it is an internal note

12:51:49 [shadi]

...knowing that they will be dropped when our work is finalized

12:52:33 [shadi]

CI: agree that internal notes are fine, but think we are setting a bad example to misuse elements for a different purpose than it was intended for

12:55:03 [shadi]

SAZ: could we drop this information in the description element?

12:55:24 [shadi]

CI: maybe better to add a specific element for this purpose

12:55:43 [shadi]

...this could be shown or hidden depending on the audience or usage

12:55:54 [shadi]

...but keep that information separate

12:58:46 [shadi]

zakim, pick a victim

12:58:46 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose CarlosI

12:59:17 [shadi]

SAZ: how much additional work is this?

12:59:25 [shadi]

CS: not much work

12:59:35 [shadi]

SAZ: should give a heads-up to the group first

12:59:56 [shadi]

action: CI send a heads-up to the group about adding a new element for internal/development comments

13:01:54 [shadi]

CS: comment on pointers in test sample 18

13:03:40 [shadi]

CI: seems to be inconsistent usage of pointers, need a minimum set of rules on how to use them

13:04:22 [shadi]

CS: would be good to have some rules

13:05:28 [shadi]

CI: could write some

13:05:43 [shadi]

SAZ: doesn't this relate to the Pointers-in-RDF document?

13:06:00 [shadi]

CI: it does, and might be good to address this somewhere

13:09:04 [shadi]

action: SAZ bring this discussion into the ERT WG discussion on Pointers-in-RDF document, to see if these type of rules belong in there

13:12:00 [shadi]

CS: comment on relative vs absolute URI's in test sample 30

13:12:15 [shadi]

SAZ: understand that relative ones are easier for portability

13:12:35 [shadi]

...but absolute ones are easier to work with for people not logged on the server

13:12:53 [shadi]

CS: can we keep until we have the HTML interface on W3 servers?

13:13:13 [shadi]

[no objections]

13:16:03 [shadi]

CS: question on validity in test sample 2

13:16:14 [shadi]

SAZ: might be best to check offline

13:18:12 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

13:18:12 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Reviewing remapped test samples" taken up [from Christophe]

13:18:19 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 2

13:18:19 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Schedule for meetings during July-August(-September)" taken up [from Christophe]

13:18:30 [shadi]

SAZ: confirmed is July 15

13:20:11 [shadi]

SAZ: seem we have low availability from 21 july until end august

13:20:23 [shadi]

...let's figure out week by week

13:21:14 [Zakim]

-shadi

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-Christophe_Strobbe

13:21:22 [Zakim]

-CarlosI

13:21:23 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended

13:21:24 [Zakim]

Attendees were Christophe_Strobbe, shadi, CarlosI

14:06:36 [shadi]

zakim, bye

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14:06:44 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

14:06:48 [shadi]

rrsagent, make minutes

14:06:48 [RRSAgent]

I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-tsdtf-minutes.html shadi

14:06:49 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

14:06:53 [shadi]

rrsagent, bye

14:06:53 [RRSAgent]

I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-tsdtf-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: CS update the metadata document to reflect the subnodes under testElements [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-tsdtf-irc#T12-48-09

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ACTION: CI send a heads-up to the group about adding a new element for internal/development comments [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-tsdtf-irc#T12-59-56

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ACTION: SAZ bring this discussion into the ERT WG discussion on Pointers-in-RDF document, to see if these type of rules belong in there [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-tsdtf-irc#T13-09-04