IRC log of mwts on 2008-07-01
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- RRSAgent, make log public
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- Zakim, this will be TS
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- ok, dom; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
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- Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Jun/0033.html
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- Chair: Dom
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- zakim, ping me in 4 minutes
- 14:55:12 [Zakim]
- ok, dom
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- dom, you asked to be pinged at this time
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- MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started
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- +??P12
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- +Wilhelm
- 15:01:29 [dom]
- zakim, code?
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- the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
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- + +1.857.362.aaaa
- 15:02:07 [dom]
- zakim, aaaa is dom
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- +dom; got it
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- zakim, ??P12 is Kai
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- +Kai; got it
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- + +1.857.362.aabb
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- zakim, aabb is Dmitri
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- +Dmitri; got it
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- Topic: Web Compatibility Test
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- ACTION: Dom to review the DOM Level 2 Style sheet test case proposed by wilhelm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE]
- 15:04:53 [dom]
- Dom: looks technically good, but not sure it is specific to mobile enough to deserve being included
- 15:05:07 [dom]
- Wilhelm: it is not mobile specific, indeed; a generic test for style sheets DOM
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- ... but they are pretty useful for various web applications
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- Dom: but is there a strong need for using dom style sheets support from the community?
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- Wilhelm: I don't have a strong opinion for this particular feature - but think we should test for DOM Level 2 support
- 15:07:41 [dom]
- Dom: ok, let's go with that one for the next release
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- Kai: I'm struggling to see the use cases for DOM style sheets - which web apps want to use it or do use it?
- 15:08:45 [dom]
- ... manipulating style from scripts seems like breaking the separation between presentation/logic
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- Wilhelm: make sense; probably should test for something else then... Any suggestion?
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- Kai: I'm interested in events in general
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- Dom: what about Mutation events? they are part of DOM Level 3 events, (not a rec, but quite stable)
- 15:10:57 [dom]
- ... they seem to be quite useful
- 15:11:06 [dom]
- Kai: yeah, that's what I had in mind
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- Wilhelm: sounds good
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- ACTION: Kai to propose a test case around DOM mutation events
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- ACTION: Kai to propose an updated AJAX test with onload (or other event) added [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE]
- 15:14:08 [dom]
- Kai: I added a window.onload() call to xhtmlhttprequest.js
- 15:14:12 [dom]
- ... a one-line change
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- http://static.webvm.net/wct/xmlhttprequest.js
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- Kai: is window.onload standard?
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- Dom: I think you're supposed to put the onload event on the body element
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- e.g. body = document.getElementByTagName("body")[0]
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- <body onload='foo()'>
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- body.onload("foo")
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- http://git.webvm.net/?p=wct;a=commitdiff;h=ffceaad60e690600b2f56fd43755fe7e77da38ed
- 15:17:51 [hendry]
- <body onload="callXMLFile()">
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- window != body
- 15:19:47 [dom]
- ACTION: Kai to update the onload event in xhtmlhttprequest.js
- 15:19:57 [dom]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-Window-20060407/
- 15:21:05 [hendry]
- <body onload="callXMLFile()"> is very common (i see it all the time)
- 15:22:09 [dom]
- Dom: you also have a proposed update to the cookies test
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- Kai: mostly a js-lint clean up of the test
- 15:22:24 [hendry]
- http://git.webvm.net/?p=wct;a=commitdiff;h=1deec9ed09888d858511130b42e0ab623a665867
- 15:22:26 [dom]
- Wilhelm: plus the unicode thing, right?
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- Kai: looking at the cookies RFC, the acceptable documentations are quite interesting
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- ... wondering whether we should target these
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- ... maybe that's going too far
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- ... I think cookies support is one of the things were bad browsers can react pretty badly
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- dom: sounds like a good idea in general, but maybe not in the WCTMB?
- 15:24:52 [dom]
- ... I would support building a set of test cases around cookies after we're done with WCTMB
- 15:26:16 [dom]
- ... Wilhelm, what do you think about unicode based cookies?
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- Wilhelm: not sure
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- Kai: your original test used "escape" - I think it is deprecated
- 15:27:02 [dom]
- http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/mobile-test/cookie.js?rev=1.2&content-type=text/plain
- 15:29:24 [dom]
- ACTION: Wilhelm to update cookies test based on Kai's suggestions
- 15:29:32 [dom]
- ACTION: Dom to request a CVS account for Kai
- 15:30:19 [dom]
- [Kai, BTW, you suggested the removal of the data: uri test: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Apr/0005.html :) ]
- 15:30:36 [dom]
- Kai: what about the data: uri test? do you think that's a good idea
- 15:31:03 [dom]
- Wilhelm: we could include it as part of the canvas test
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- dom: I would support having this as part of the canvas test
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- ACTION: Wilhelm to update canvas test to use data: URL scheme
- 15:32:39 [dom]
- Kai: I've also noticed data-attribute being discussed on HTML5
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- dom: probably too early for inclusion in the test
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- Topic: Mobile Browser Concurrency Test
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- http://www.cloudfour.com/36/mobile-browser-concurrency-test/
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- Dom: a performance test for mobile browsers
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- ... is performance a good topic for our next deliverable?
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- Wilhelm: sounds good
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- Kai: +1
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- Topic: next meeting
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- Dom: next meeting on July 22nd
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-minutes.html dom
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- -Kai
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- -Wilhelm
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- -dom
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- -Dmitri
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- MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Wilhelm, +1.857.362.aaaa, dom, Kai, +1.857.362.aabb, Dmitri
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-minutes.html dom
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- Zakim, bye
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Dom to review the DOM Level 2 Style sheet test case proposed by wilhelm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-04-12
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- ACTION: Kai to propose a test case around DOM mutation events [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-13-10
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- ACTION: Kai to propose an updated AJAX test with onload (or other event) added [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE] [3]
- 15:48:29 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-13-51
- 15:48:29 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Kai to update the onload event in xhtmlhttprequest.js [4]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-19-47
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- ACTION: Wilhelm to update cookies test based on Kai's suggestions [5]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-29-24
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- ACTION: Dom to request a CVS account for Kai [6]
- 15:48:29 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-29-32
- 15:48:29 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Wilhelm to update canvas test to use data: URL scheme [7]
- 15:48:29 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-31-56