14:46:46 RRSAgent has joined #mwts 14:46:46 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc 14:46:52 RRSAgent, make log public 14:46:52 Zakim, this will be TS 14:46:57 Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf 14:47:04 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Jun/0033.html 14:47:12 Chair: Dom 14:55:12 zakim, ping me in 4 minutes 14:55:12 ok, dom 14:59:12 dom, you asked to be pinged at this time 14:59:26 wilhelm has joined #mwts 14:59:53 MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started 15:00:13 +??P12 15:00:20 +Wilhelm 15:01:29 zakim, code? 15:01:29 the conference code is 8794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom 15:01:50 + +1.857.362.aaaa 15:02:07 zakim, aaaa is dom 15:02:07 +dom; got it 15:02:17 zakim, ??P12 is Kai 15:02:17 +Kai; got it 15:02:26 + +1.857.362.aabb 15:02:38 zakim, aabb is Dmitri 15:02:38 +Dmitri; got it 15:03:24 Topic: Web Compatibility Test 15:04:12 ACTION: Dom to review the DOM Level 2 Style sheet test case proposed by wilhelm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] 15:04:53 Dom: looks technically good, but not sure it is specific to mobile enough to deserve being included 15:05:07 Wilhelm: it is not mobile specific, indeed; a generic test for style sheets DOM 15:05:46 ... but they are pretty useful for various web applications 15:06:54 Dom: but is there a strong need for using dom style sheets support from the community? 15:07:09 Wilhelm: I don't have a strong opinion for this particular feature - but think we should test for DOM Level 2 support 15:07:41 Dom: ok, let's go with that one for the next release 15:08:14 Kai: I'm struggling to see the use cases for DOM style sheets - which web apps want to use it or do use it? 15:08:45 ... manipulating style from scripts seems like breaking the separation between presentation/logic 15:09:20 Wilhelm: make sense; probably should test for something else then... Any suggestion? 15:09:29 Kai: I'm interested in events in general 15:10:50 Dom: what about Mutation events? they are part of DOM Level 3 events, (not a rec, but quite stable) 15:10:57 ... they seem to be quite useful 15:11:06 Kai: yeah, that's what I had in mind 15:11:11 Wilhelm: sounds good 15:13:10 ACTION: Kai to propose a test case around DOM mutation events 15:13:51 ACTION: Kai to propose an updated AJAX test with onload (or other event) added [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE] 15:14:08 Kai: I added a window.onload() call to xhtmlhttprequest.js 15:14:12 ... a one-line change 15:14:59 http://static.webvm.net/wct/xmlhttprequest.js 15:15:13 Kai: is window.onload standard? 15:15:40 Dom: I think you're supposed to put the onload event on the body element 15:15:53 e.g. body = document.getElementByTagName("body")[0] 15:15:59 15:15:59 body.onload("foo") 15:16:37 hendry has joined #mwts 15:16:40 http://git.webvm.net/?p=wct;a=commitdiff;h=ffceaad60e690600b2f56fd43755fe7e77da38ed 15:17:51 15:19:11 window != body 15:19:47 ACTION: Kai to update the onload event in xhtmlhttprequest.js 15:19:57 http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-Window-20060407/ 15:21:05 is very common (i see it all the time) 15:22:09 Dom: you also have a proposed update to the cookies test 15:22:20 Kai: mostly a js-lint clean up of the test 15:22:24 http://git.webvm.net/?p=wct;a=commitdiff;h=1deec9ed09888d858511130b42e0ab623a665867 15:22:26 Wilhelm: plus the unicode thing, right? 15:23:01 Kai: looking at the cookies RFC, the acceptable documentations are quite interesting 15:23:09 ... wondering whether we should target these 15:23:25 ... maybe that's going too far 15:23:48 ... I think cookies support is one of the things were bad browsers can react pretty badly 15:24:35 dom: sounds like a good idea in general, but maybe not in the WCTMB? 15:24:52 ... I would support building a set of test cases around cookies after we're done with WCTMB 15:26:16 ... Wilhelm, what do you think about unicode based cookies? 15:26:19 Wilhelm: not sure 15:26:37 Kai: your original test used "escape" - I think it is deprecated 15:27:02 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2008/mobile-test/cookie.js?rev=1.2&content-type=text/plain 15:29:24 ACTION: Wilhelm to update cookies test based on Kai's suggestions 15:29:32 ACTION: Dom to request a CVS account for Kai 15:30:19 [Kai, BTW, you suggested the removal of the data: uri test: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Apr/0005.html :) ] 15:30:36 Kai: what about the data: uri test? do you think that's a good idea 15:31:03 Wilhelm: we could include it as part of the canvas test 15:31:39 dom: I would support having this as part of the canvas test 15:31:56 ACTION: Wilhelm to update canvas test to use data: URL scheme 15:32:39 Kai: I've also noticed data-attribute being discussed on HTML5 15:33:38 dom: probably too early for inclusion in the test 15:34:24 Topic: Mobile Browser Concurrency Test 15:34:29 http://www.cloudfour.com/36/mobile-browser-concurrency-test/ 15:34:37 Dom: a performance test for mobile browsers 15:36:29 ... is performance a good topic for our next deliverable? 15:36:31 Wilhelm: sounds good 15:36:34 Kai: +1 15:38:19 Topic: next meeting 15:38:27 Dom: next meeting on July 22nd 15:40:52 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:40:52 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-minutes.html dom 15:42:29 -Kai 15:42:30 -Wilhelm 15:42:30 -dom 15:42:32 -Dmitri 15:42:32 MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended 15:42:34 Attendees were Wilhelm, +1.857.362.aaaa, dom, Kai, +1.857.362.aabb, Dmitri 15:48:23 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:48:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-minutes.html dom 15:48:27 Zakim, bye 15:48:27 Zakim has left #mwts 15:48:29 RRSAgent, bye 15:48:29 I see 7 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-actions.rdf : 15:48:29 ACTION: Dom to review the DOM Level 2 Style sheet test case proposed by wilhelm [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-mwts-minutes.html#action06] [DONE] [1] 15:48:29 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-04-12 15:48:29 ACTION: Kai to propose a test case around DOM mutation events [2] 15:48:29 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-13-10 15:48:29 ACTION: Kai to propose an updated AJAX test with onload (or other event) added [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [DONE] [3] 15:48:29 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-13-51 15:48:29 ACTION: Kai to update the onload event in xhtmlhttprequest.js [4] 15:48:29 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-19-47 15:48:29 ACTION: Wilhelm to update cookies test based on Kai's suggestions [5] 15:48:29 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-29-24 15:48:29 ACTION: Dom to request a CVS account for Kai [6] 15:48:29 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-29-32 15:48:29 ACTION: Wilhelm to update canvas test to use data: URL scheme [7] 15:48:29 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/07/01-mwts-irc#T15-31-56