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14:58:05 <AshokMalhotra> zakim, this is RDB2RDF
14:58:05 <Zakim> ok, AshokMalhotra; that matches INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM
14:58:10 <Zakim> + +1.509.771.aaaa
14:58:19 <AshokMalhotra> chair: Ashok
14:58:43 <AshokMalhotra> meeting: RDB2RDF Telcon June 27, 2008
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14:59:44 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
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15:01:19 <AshokMalhotra> akim, who is on the phone
15:01:24 <Zakim> + +0238033aadd
15:01:34 <AshokMalhotra> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:01:34 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.509.771.aaaa, +1.817.357.aabb, Ashok_Malhotra, +1.817.366.aacc, +0238033aadd
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15:02:38 <Zakim> + +0238033aaee
15:03:00 <Zakim> + +043316876aaff
15:03:01 <Zakim> +[IBM_Watson]
15:06:58 <joebetz> no objections, last weeks minutes approved
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15:07:22 <joebetz> No phone call next week, 4th of July
15:08:03 <joebetz> Also, No phone call the 18th of July
15:09:05 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:09:37 <joebetz> Offer from Wolfgang to host Oct 30, 31 (last day of Conf. and day after)
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15:10:14 <joebetz> Ashok will send out email to see if people can attend
15:10:51 <AshokMalhotra> zakim, Microsoft is Satya
15:10:51 <Zakim> +Satya; got it
15:11:29 <joebetz> zakim, +1.509.771.aaaa is Joe Betz
15:11:29 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.509.771.aaaa is Joe Betz', joebetz
15:12:25 <AshokMalhotra> zakim, 509,771.aaaa Joe Betz
15:12:25 <Zakim> I don't understand '509,771.aaaa Joe Betz', AshokMalhotra
15:12:50 <whalb> zakim, +043316876aaff is whalb
15:12:50 <Zakim> +whalb; got it
15:13:16 <joebetz> zakim, +1509771aaaa is Joe Betz
15:13:16 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1509771aaaa is Joe Betz', joebetz
15:13:52 <Zakim> +??P7
15:14:03 <joebetz> Please add detail to deliverables, particularly recommendation of working group
15:15:48 <joebetz> Paul:  Talk about RDFS RDB vocabulary, sent out wiki link
15:17:15 <joebetz> wiki is at: http://esw.w3.org/topic/Rdb2RdfXG/RdfsRdbVocabulary
15:23:08 <joebetz> Orri:  Is this vocab. for inserts,  i.e. is it one to one?
15:23:56 <joebetz> Paul: This is a static definition,  sql is more intended for dynamic--data definition--which is better for manipulation.
15:27:53 <AshokMalhotra> Orri:  This would be a simple starting point for mapping SQL DDL to RDF
15:28:18 <joebetz> Side topic: "Direct ontology" is idea of a direct mapping from relational to ontology.
15:28:55 <joebetz> Paul:  Good to have standard ontology for relational.  Might be used for variety of purposes.
15:32:06 <joebetz> Paul:  Rule based transformation can be applied once data is in RDF.  This mapping is largely concerned with DDL to ontology.
15:32:50 <joebetz> Ashok:  Is this a complete representation of SQL DDL?
15:33:21 <joebetz> Paul:  Potentially.  But much of DDL is for care of the database which is not important for representing data in RDF.
15:33:50 <joebetz> Paul:  Examples: Constraints, Uniqueness
15:33:57 <joebetz> Orri:  Uniqueness is important
15:35:04 <joebetz> q:  How similar is this to relational.owl?
15:36:22 <joebetz> http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:VD-drLETocMJ:crpit.com/confpapers/CRPITV43deLaborda.pdf+relational.owl&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us&client=firefox-a
15:36:55 <jsequeda> http://www.dbs.cs.uni-duesseldorf.de/RDF/
15:40:37 <joebetz> Ashok:  SQL allows chars xml doesn't allow, so column name sometimes can't be directly translated
15:41:26 <joebetz> Paul:  If you use this kind of vocab.  you might be able to eliminate a lot of sparql to SQL rewriting.
15:43:11 <joebetz> Orri:  This is a step along the way to mapping,  done some work along these lines.
15:44:59 <joebetz> Next call July 11, Juan Sequeda
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15:46:30 <Zakim> -whalb
15:46:31 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
15:46:31 <Zakim> -??P7
15:46:33 <Zakim> -Satya
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15:46:35 <Zakim> INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM has ended
15:46:36 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.509.771.aaaa, +1.817.357.aabb, Ashok_Malhotra, +1.817.366.aacc, +0238033aadd, +0238033aaee, [IBM_Watson], Satya, whalb
15:46:44 <AshokMalhotra> zakim, list participants
15:46:44 <Zakim> sorry, AshokMalhotra, I don't know what conference this is
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15:47:16 <AshokMalhotra> rrsgent, make logs public
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15:47:49 <AshokMalhotra> rrsagent, make logs public
15:48:07 <AshokMalhotra> rrsagent, create minutes
15:48:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/27-RDB2RDF-minutes.html AshokMalhotra
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