11:03:51 RRSAgent has joined #waf 11:03:51 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-irc 11:04:22 +Art_Barstow 11:04:42 +??P8 11:04:53 zakim, ??P8 is Marcos 11:04:53 +Marcos; got it 11:06:00 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-webapps/2008AprJun/0010.html 11:06:07 Meeting: Widgets Voice Conference 11:06:11 Date: 26 June 2008 11:06:16 Chair: Art 11:06:19 Scribe: Art 11:06:25 ScribeNick: ArtB 11:06:36 Regrets: Arve, Mike 11:07:19 timeless has joined #waf 11:07:39 Present: Art, Marcos, Josh 11:08:02 Topic: Review Agenda 11:08:14 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-webapps/2008AprJun/0010.html 11:08:29 AB: any change requests? 11:09:47 AB: I'd like to add to the agenda a discussion about the Widgets agenda being public or not 11:09:54 AB: any objections? 11:09:56 MC: no 11:09:58 JS: no 11:10:20 Topic: Announcements 11:10:26 AB: any annoucements? 11:10:57 AB: no meeting July 3 or July 10 11:11:17 AB: when do you return from the UK, Marcos 11:11:22 MC: late July 11:11:50 JS: I'll be out the last week of July and then in October 11:12:05 Topic: Meeting Logistics and Agenda 11:12:26 MC: why is this meeting being done in a member confidential channel? 11:12:31 AB: good question 11:12:35 ... because I'm lazy 11:13:28 ... it's a lot easier for me as the Scribe for us to use a member-only channel that makes it easy to remove any Member-only/confidential discussions that may arrive 11:13:52 ... If no such discussions occur, then 100% of the IRC log becomes the Public minutes 11:14:56 AB: any objections to the Agenda being sent on the Public-Webapps mail list? 11:15:10 AB: that's OK with me 11:15:13 JS: OK with me 11:15:16 MC: OK with me 11:16:07 ACTION: barstow propose all future Widget agendas be Public and give the WG two weeks to discuss/object 11:16:07 Created ACTION-188 - Propose all future Widget agendas be Public and give the WG two weeks to discuss/object [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-07-03]. 11:16:34 Topic: Comments on the Requirements LC doc 11:16:41 AB: thanks Marcos for getting this out! 11:16:48 JS: I sent Marcos comments already 11:17:14 ... I sent him some additional comments 11:17:25 ... I still have some more comments to submit 11:18:41 AB: Marcos, anything you want to discuss? 11:19:07 MC: it's hard to discuss some of the issues without Arve being present 11:19:23 ... e.g. he proposed the Security Model 11:19:47 MC: we also need to have Thomas present for any detailed discussions about Dig Signatures 11:20:10 MC: Josh raised some good issues that we need to discuss 11:20:16 Lachy has joined #waf 11:20:57 ... thanks for sending the comments! 11:21:26 AB: an action for me, really to make sure we get the right people on the calls re Dig Sig and Security 11:21:53 ... We should also try to get Thomas to attend the Turin meeting 11:22:10 ACTION: Barstow invite Thomas to the Turin meeting re Dig Sig and Security 11:22:12 Created ACTION-189 - Invite Thomas to the Turin meeting re Dig Sig and Security [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-07-03]. 11:22:54 AB: can you describe the Tracker your using for LC comments, Marcos? 11:24:01 MC: it's a simple system and addresses many of my requirements 11:24:45 AB: http://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/42538/WD-widgets-reqs-20080625 11:24:56 AB: nice, I see Marcos is already using it 11:25:13 ... I like the consistency we can get if everyone uses it 11:25:31 AB: the only issue I see is the data is Member-confidential 11:25:42 MC: that's more of an annoyance then a concern 11:26:28 ... If people want the data Public, I can do it in a text file 11:27:02 ... or if it has a report generator that creates a text format that would be good 11:27:32 Topic: Josh's Short Intro 11:27:43 JS: I've been with Mozilla for about eight years 11:27:51 ... working on a bunch of different things 11:28:17 ... I've also worked in Security and mobile content 11:28:42 ... I currently work on Nokia's Internet Tablet product 11:29:06 ... WRT WebApps, I'm mainly interested in the Widgets work 11:29:41 AB: it's good to get some "new eyes" looking at our specs 11:29:46 MC: yes, it's really helpful 11:30:45 ACTION: Barstow talk to Yahoo!'s AC rep about joining WebApps and participating in the Widgets work 11:30:45 Created ACTION-190 - Talk to Yahoo!'s AC rep about joining WebApps and participating in the Widgets work [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-07-03]. 11:32:36 Topic: Open Actions 11:32:54 AB: http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/products/5 11:35:11 ACTION: Barstow close Issue #17 - we will include Auto Updates in v1.0 11:35:11 Created ACTION-191 - Close Issue #17 - we will include Auto Updates in v1.0 [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-07-03]. 11:36:50 AB: Action #24 - http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/issues/24 11:37:02 AB: we need to define some type of extension mechanism 11:37:08 JS: yes, this is important 11:37:21 MC: I sent a proposal but it didn't get much support 11:38:54 ACTION: Barstow close #24 and re-open a new issue that emphasizes the issue raised in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008AprJun/0312.html 11:38:54 Created ACTION-192 - Close #24 and re-open a new issue that emphasizes the issue raised in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008AprJun/0312.html [on Arthur Barstow - due 2008-07-03]. 11:39:55 MC: I can close Action #122 11:41:39 AB: it would to close as many of these as possible to minimize the number that need to copied to WebApps 11:41:56 MC: we can close #139 but should check with Charles first 11:42:27 AB: I will close #140 after I ask WSC WG to review the LC doc 11:43:39 AB: what about #143? 11:44:08 heycam has joined #waf 11:47:01 MC: I recommend we close #143 11:47:10 AB: OK with me 11:47:14 JS: me too 11:48:17 MC: closed 187 11:48:58 MC: OK, I'll close it 11:49:07 MC: closed 185 11:50:15 JS: 19 Dec 2007, Art said he would ask Nokia for a widget security model - part of Action #144 11:50:25 AB: I'm sure I asked for it 11:50:39 ... but I didn't get anything I could share with the public 11:53:00 Topic: Digital Signature 11:53:34 JS: did you Art make any progress on Action #183 http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/waf/actions/183 - Investigate Java model for multiple signatures 11:54:30 AB: yes, I got some info 11:55:11 ... In MIDP 2.1, only one signature is allowed in a JAR file 11:55:26 ... MIDP 3.0, a JAR can contain multiple signatures 11:55:37 MC: we need to raise an issue on this then 11:55:50 ... we need to know "how many signatures to support?" 11:56:00 ... I think we were moving to supporting multiple 11:56:32 JS: multiple sigs can be useful when certs come from multiple sources 11:57:23 MC: a question is whether the signature is signed or the contents is signed more than once 11:58:19 AB: Certificate chaining is supported and deployed widely, I think any signature specification including the widgets signing spec should support it. 11:58:31 MC: we are doing that now 11:59:00 AB: Multiple signing is more uncommon. In MIDP, multiple signatures are "parallel" i.e. every signer signs the content independently, signers do not sign each other's signatures 11:59:44 MC: we don't have a solution for either of these at the moment 12:00:37 AB: where is "certificate chaining" defined? 12:00:45 MC: XML Signature spec defines it 12:02:50 MC: it would be good to outline the major use cases in the Dig Sig spec 12:03:22 ... I can create those use cases 12:03:58 JS: I can contribute; this document is important 12:04:06 ... and I will submit comments on it 12:05:32 JS: what is the plan for Dig Sig spec? 12:05:50 MC: the core validation stuff needs to fleshed out 12:06:10 ... Getting the core done is most important 12:06:44 MC: I will try to coordinate working with Josh 12:08:02 Topic: AOB 12:08:21 MC: I plan to focus on Auto Updates next week 12:09:15 ... want to get that published soon-ish 12:09:51 ... certainly before the f2f in Turin 12:10:16 MC: I'm concerned about the Security spec and the API spec 12:14:51 RRSAgent, make logs Public 12:14:59 RRSAgent, make minutes 12:14:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-minutes.html ArtB 12:16:09 AB: I'll be on vacation the next two weeks. Return to the Inbox on July 14. 12:16:15 MC: Will be on Vacation on 5-10th 12:17:02 RRSAgent, make minutes 12:17:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-minutes.html ArtB 12:18:30 -Art_Barstow 12:18:32 - +358.504.86aaaa 12:18:58 zakim, bye 12:18:58 leaving. As of this point the attendees were +358.504.86aaaa, Art_Barstow, Marcos 12:18:58 Zakim has left #waf 12:19:08 RRSAgent, bye 12:19:08 I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-actions.rdf : 12:19:08 ACTION: barstow propose all future Widget agendas be Public and give the WG two weeks to discuss/object [1] 12:19:08 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-irc#T11-16-07 12:19:08 ACTION: Barstow invite Thomas to the Turin meeting re Dig Sig and Security [2] 12:19:08 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-irc#T11-22-10 12:19:08 ACTION: Barstow talk to Yahoo!'s AC rep about joining WebApps and participating in the Widgets work [3] 12:19:08 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-irc#T11-30-45 12:19:08 ACTION: Barstow close Issue #17 - we will include Auto Updates in v1.0 [4] 12:19:08 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-irc#T11-35-11 12:19:08 ACTION: Barstow close #24 and re-open a new issue that emphasizes the issue raised in http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapps/2008AprJun/0312.html [5] 12:19:08 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-waf-irc#T11-38-54