17:58:03 RRSAgent has joined #ua 17:58:03 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/26-ua-irc 17:58:05 sharper has joined #ua 17:58:14 Zakim has joined #ua 17:58:39 rrsagent, set logs public 17:58:44 Judy has joined #ua 17:58:55 zakim, code? 17:58:55 sorry, Judy, I don't know what conference this is 17:59:03 meeting: #ua 17:59:09 zakim, this will be WAI_UA 17:59:09 ok, Judy; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 1 minute 17:59:16 zakim, code? 17:59:16 the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Judy 17:59:37 WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started 17:59:44 +Jeanne 17:59:58 +Judy 18:00:24 +??P10 18:01:13 zakim, ??p10 is Simon 18:01:13 +Simon; got it 18:02:50 zakim, simon is Simon_Harper 18:02:50 +Simon_Harper; got it 18:03:14 +[Microsoft] 18:03:41 zakim, [Microsoft] is Kelly_Ford 18:03:41 +Kelly_Ford; got it 18:07:10 scribenick:jeanne 18:07:40 regrets: Jim Allan, Jan Richards 18:09:42 KFord has joined #ua 18:10:14 topic: July 3rd meeting 18:12:31 JB: Light turnout today, so we will need to do more work. Kelly, Simon and Jeanne are available. Judy may be traveling. US Holiday on the 4th. 18:12:47 ...We will check back at the end of the meeting, and check with the list. 18:13:04 topic: Charter 18:16:24 ACTION: Jeanne will update the Charter to add the Testing Materials document to the Success Critieria and the milestones updated with all documents. 18:17:18 ACTION: Jeanne will check the Process document to see if all the deliverables have to be tracked in the Milestones section. 18:19:50 JB: would like to see publication before December for Techniques. 18:20:14 KF: Thinks that December is a realistic date. 18:21:20 JB: Reviews the publication process: Editors draft, Public Working Draft (which should be published about every 3 months).\ 18:21:42 ...Techniques are not normative, and are not fixed. It can start incomplete. 18:23:11 SH: We are in the process of publishing a literature review where techniques and solutions to accessibility problems. 18:23:48 ...It is in the form of a technical report. Would have no problems releasing it to the group. 18:24:09 JB: Did you look at the Requirements document for UAAG 2.0? 18:25:36 SH: This is the second draft, it has about 70 citations, but I expect it to be at 140 by the end. 18:28:16 ACTION: Change Charter Timeline View Summary for December 2008 to say "First Working Draft of Techniques" 18:29:01 KF: Reasonable to publish 2 drafts before December would be reasonable. It will be a chance to put more action into the group. 18:29:36 KF: Recommend publishing in the middle of August and middle of November. 18:30:35 JB: August is not a good time because of holidays. Aiming for September 2008 would be more realistic. 18:31:07 ...Then do a tandem release of Guidelines and Techniques so they are published together. 18:31:20 ...in December 2008. 18:31:53 JB: There is no schedule of the Test Suite in the Timeline view. 18:32:54 JB: When is it reasonable to start bringing the Test Suite on line? Sometime in Q2 2009 we should have test materials coming on line. 18:33:22 KF: It seems reasonable. We would be able to contribute some tests. 18:34:09 ACTION: Jeanne add in "First Draft of Test Materials for June 2009" 18:34:31 SH: What sort of Test Materials? 18:35:11 JB: There is flexibility, we need to write a requirements document. It has been an issue with WCAG Test Suite with many opinions. ' 18:37:10 SH: Is the Eclipse ACTF AccProbe which allows testing of content and user interface. 18:37:16 http://www.eclipse.org/actf/ 18:37:34 http://www.eclipse.org/proposals/actf/ 18:38:44 UAAG 1.0 old test materials: http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/TS/html401/ 18:38:46 SH: Validation agent in AccProbe is mature for testing user interfaces, not as mature for testing content. 18:39:12 SH: We may be able to use some XML test routines by December. 18:39:36 ...they are trying to move it to Firefox, Opera and IE platform. 18:39:52 JB: This would be good to have a briefing on this in the next few months. 18:40:24 ACTION: Jeanne will schedule a meeting for a briefing on AccProbe with background material. 18:41:34 JB: Recommend adding a deliverable at beginning of 2. Add a requirements document for the Test Materials as an internal document and perhaps a W3C note. 18:41:58 JB: Let's not add it to the list but keep that in mind. 18:42:38 JB: Jeanne and I will add in quarterly steps before bringing it to Management Team. 18:44:09 There were no objections to Jeanne and Judy working on the timeline. 18:44:24 topic: Keyboard topics 18:44:44 http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2008/keyboardProposals20080624.html 18:45:47 JB: Jim sent out a number of emails of different issues. Jeanne pulled it into one page where it could be compared in the larger structure of the Guideline. 19:01:23 JB: We need to condense and streamline this section. The titles for each section need to be more clear. 19:02:22 ... for example, Precedence of Keystroke Processing (4.1.2) should be Documentation of Keystroke Processing 19:02:49 ... "Chrome" interface is redundant. 19:03:09 ACTION: Jeanne will work on cleaning up the page for Monday. 19:04:02 s/the page/the page with the comparison of the keyboard proposals 19:04:57 SH, KF, are available for July 10. Judy and Jeanne will check people's availability for the 3rd. 19:05:17 -Simon_Harper 19:05:18 -Judy 19:07:08 rrsagent, stop