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12:24:16 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
12:24:21 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
12:24:27 <shadi> chair: Shadi
12:25:06 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Jun/0010.html
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12:25:18 <shadi> agenda+ Updated "Content-in-RDF" document
12:25:32 <shadi> agenda+ Updated "Pointers-in-RDF" draft
12:29:10 <shadi> zakim, code?
12:29:10 <Zakim> the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
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12:29:28 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:29:35 <Zakim> + +1.857.362.aaaa
12:29:37 <Zakim> +[IBM]
12:29:45 <Zakim> +CarlosV
12:29:47 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is me
12:29:47 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
12:29:56 <shadi> zakim, ibm is Mike
12:29:56 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
12:29:59 <MikeS> zakim, IBM is MikeS
12:29:59 <Zakim> sorry, MikeS, I do not recognize a party named 'IBM'
12:30:09 <JohannesK> zakim, CarlosV is Johannes
12:30:09 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
12:30:09 <shadi> zakim, Mike is MikeS
12:30:10 <Zakim> +MikeS; got it
12:30:25 <shadi> scribe: Mike
12:30:29 <shadi> scribenick: MikeS
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12:31:10 <Zakim> +Johannes.a
12:31:34 <MikeS> zakim, mute me
12:31:34 <Zakim> MikeS should now be muted
12:31:38 <Zakim> +CarlosI
12:32:17 <shadi> zakim, johannes.a is really CarlosV
12:32:17 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
12:32:43 <shadi> agenda?
12:33:09 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:33:09 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Updated "Content-in-RDF" document" taken up [from shadi]
12:33:24 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Content/WD-Content-in-RDF-20080623
12:33:35 <MikeS> SAZ: abstract of previous revision was improved
12:33:41 <MikeS> np - have it up
12:33:59 <MikeS> SAZ: introduction was also updated
12:34:33 <MikeS> ....Starting with abstract
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12:36:09 <MikeS> ...abstract refers to capacity to describe "any type of content" - is this too broad?
12:36:45 <MikeS> CV: Base64Content probably does cover any type of content
12:37:21 <MikeS> SAZ: abstract accepted by group since no comments
12:38:48 <MikeS> CI: drop "describe"; doesn't describe, but providees series of classes that serve as containers for content
12:38:59 <MikeS> +1 on represent
12:39:20 <MikeS> walk me through 
12:39:38 <MikeS> zakim, unmute me
12:39:38 <Zakim> MikeS should no longer be muted
12:40:23 <MikeS> zakim, mute me
12:40:23 <Zakim> MikeS should now be muted
12:40:53 <MikeS> SAZ: change suggested by CI done; moving on to intro
12:42:43 <MikeS> CI: other forms of the 'describe' (e.g. description, describing) may also need to be changed to e.g. representation, representing
12:42:58 <MikeS> use cases look much better
12:45:02 <MikeS> SAZ: question from Danny - relation to infobits
12:46:03 <MikeS> ...possibly discuss how this work overlaps with other work
12:46:27 <MikeS> ...does not need to hold up publication
12:47:15 <MikeS> CI: don't understand connection to other technologies mentioned (e.g. RSS)
12:47:27 <MikeS> SAZ: RSS does have a content body
12:48:55 <MikeS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Jun/0007.html
12:49:27 <MikeS> SAZ: question as to reuse as well, not just overlap
12:49:55 <MikeS> ...moving on to appendicies
12:51:18 <MikeS> CI: not happy with title of section 3, "When to create which resources"
12:52:06 <MikeS> sorry
12:52:36 <MikeS> +1 for "User senarios"
12:53:25 <MikeS> SAZ: change title to, "User senarios"
12:55:43 <MikeS> SAZ: consider renaming section 4, "Open Issues and Extensions," to, "Extending the Vocabulary"
12:55:51 <shadi> action: CV & JK research possible overlap and/or differences to other work such as RSS/ATOM (see comments by Danny Ayers)
12:56:56 <MikeS> +1
12:57:07 <MikeS> SAZ: changed
12:58:11 <shadi> Mapping to DOM Properties
12:58:54 <MikeS> yes, reading the table looks like more appropraite title might be "Mapping between DOM and Content In RDF Properties"
12:59:38 <MikeS> ah
12:59:53 <MikeS> SAZ: really want to reduce the length of the title
13:00:17 <MikeS> could just call it "Properties Mapping" and have an introductory sentence explaining what is being mapped and why
13:01:08 <MikeS> SAZ: favored proposal seems to be changing "Vocabulary" to "Properties"
13:01:13 <MikeS> +1
13:01:18 <JohannesK> +1
13:01:53 <MikeS> SAZ: any objections to publishing Content in RDF along with HTTP in RDF?
13:03:51 <MikeS> ...pubilcation is greed to by group
13:04:18 <MikeS> ...correction - publication on hold until overlap is resolved
13:04:54 <MikeS> zakim, unmute me
13:04:54 <Zakim> MikeS should no longer be muted
13:05:58 <MikeS> zakim, mute me
13:05:58 <Zakim> MikeS should now be muted
13:06:25 <MikeS> ...overlap concerning where Namespace class belongs - Content in RDF or Pointers in RDF
13:06:30 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:06:30 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Updated "Pointers-in-RDF" draft" taken up [from shadi]
13:06:50 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Pointers/WD-Pointers-20080623
13:08:57 <MikeS> SAZ: comments from MikeS
13:09:01 <MikeS> ...and JK
13:09:10 <MikeS> zakim, unmute me
13:09:10 <Zakim> MikeS should no longer be muted
13:10:25 <MikeS> i'm satisfied with CI's response
13:11:21 <MikeS> CV: need Namespace class with at least prefix and uri but is required for pointers and for representing content
13:11:40 <MikeS> ...namespaces are more like content so belong in Content in RDF document
13:11:59 <MikeS> zakim, mute me
13:11:59 <Zakim> MikeS should now be muted
13:12:17 <MikeS> JK: no use of namespace class in Content in RDF
13:13:25 <MikeS> ...prefixes are local to where they are used in an XML doc
13:13:42 <MikeS> ...no general mapping that belongs to entire document
13:15:28 <MikeS> SAZ: can specify a base or default namespace by not using one
13:15:43 <MikeS> JK: yes, but can declare new prefixes throughout the doc
13:16:35 <JohannesK> <a:a1 xmlns:a="ns1">
13:16:56 <JohannesK> <a:b1 xmlns:a="ns2"/>
13:17:00 <JohannesK> </a:a1>
13:18:06 <MikeS> JK: namesapce is entirely local
13:18:20 <JohannesK>  /p1:a1/p2:b1
13:18:31 <JohannesK> p1="ns1"
13:18:39 <JohannesK> p2="ns2"
13:22:42 <MikeS> JK: another issue - example for XPointerPointer looks very much like exmple for XPathPointer
13:22:57 <MikeS> CV: note use of position() function from XPointer, not available in XPath
13:23:36 <JohannesK> position() is defined in http://www.w3.org/TR/1999/REC-xpath-19991116#section-Node-Set-Functions
13:24:45 <MikeS> JK: not what do we do with XPointerPointer, but is there a difference between XPathPointer and XPointerPointer
13:24:52 <CarlosV> s /CV: note/CI: note/
13:24:57 <MikeS> ...is there an example that makes use of XPointer that is distinct from XPath
13:25:35 <MikeS> SAZ: waht's the difference between XPath and XPointer? SHould classes be merged or is one an extension of the other?
13:26:04 <MikeS> JK: think XPointer uses XPath making xpath a subset of Xpointer
13:26:07 <carlosI> from the Xpointer Scheme: "This specification explicitly extends some aspects of the syntax and semantics of XPath (mainly in relation to support for locations other than whole nodes). Except in such cases, [XPath] constructs and definitions remain in effect in the xpointer() scheme."
13:26:33 <JohannesK> http://example.org/#xpointer(/html/body/p[3]/img[1])
13:27:28 <MikeS> CI: XPointer spec clearly states XPath is a subset, XPointer is an extension
13:27:43 <MikeS> SAZ: does it make sense to have both classes?
13:27:59 <MikeS> why not just have XPointerPointer extend (subClassOf) XPathPointer?
13:29:20 <MikeS> SAZ: very little difference between clases but semantics are a little different bc based on different specs
13:29:45 <MikeS> JK: difficult to decide unless we see examples of xpointer that don't look like xpath
13:29:53 <MikeS> I agree - needs a little research
13:30:34 <MikeS> ACTION: CI to investigate where XPointer and XPath are significantly different
13:31:17 <shadi> agenda+ Publications
13:32:42 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:32:42 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Publications" taken up [from shadi]
13:33:07 <carlosI> +1
13:33:09 <MikeS> SAZ: publication of HTTP in RDF and Content in RDF
13:33:12 <JohannesK> +1
13:33:19 <shadi> RESOLUTION: publish HTTP-in-RDF and Content-in-RDF
13:33:44 <MikeS> SAZ: Pointers in RDF looks very good; 1st working draft once last issue is resolved
13:34:05 <MikeS> zakim, unmute me
13:34:05 <Zakim> MikeS should no longer be muted
13:34:48 <JohannesK> I saw, there is TP week in Mandelieu in October. Are there pkans to have a F2F?
13:34:58 <JohannesK> s/pkans/plans/
13:38:38 <Zakim> -MikeS
13:38:40 <Zakim> -Johannes
13:38:45 <Zakim> -shadi
13:38:54 <Zakim> -CarlosI
13:43:17 <Zakim> -CarlosV
13:43:19 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:43:20 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.857.362.aaaa, shadi, Johannes, MikeS, CarlosI, CarlosV
13:50:18 <shadi> zakim, bye
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13:50:26 <shadi> rssagent, make logs world
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13:50:39 <shadi> rrsagent, minutes
13:50:39 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'minutes', shadi.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
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13:50:46 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-er-actions.rdf :
13:50:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CV & JK research possible overlap and/or differences to other work such as RSS/ATOM (see comments by Danny Ayers) [1]
13:50:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-er-irc#T12-55-51
13:50:46 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CI to investigate where XPointer and XPath are significantly different [2]
13:50:46 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/25-er-irc#T13-30-34