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12:30:12 <Christophe> zakim, what conferences?
12:30:12 <Zakim> I see UW_Team()8:00AM, Team_(ectf)11:55Z, XML_SMLWG()3:00AM, ARCH_Team()8:00AM active
12:30:14 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are XML_QueryWG()3:00AM, WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM, XML_XSLWG()3:00AM, GA_SVGWG()8:30AM, IA_CDFWG()8:30AM
12:30:23 <Christophe> Zakim, this will be WAI_TSDTF
12:30:23 <Zakim> ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start now
12:30:35 <Christophe> Meeting: WAI TSDTF
12:30:37 <shadi> zakim, code?
12:30:37 <Zakim> the conference code is 8783 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
12:30:43 <Christophe> Chairs: CarlosV, Christophe
12:31:00 <Christophe> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Jun/0009.html
12:31:12 <Christophe> Agenda+ Reviewing remapped test samples
12:31:25 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
12:31:32 <Zakim> +??P10
12:31:35 <Zakim> +Tim_Boland
12:31:38 <Zakim> -??P10
12:31:39 <Zakim> +??P10
12:31:50 <shadi> zakim, ? is me
12:31:50 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
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12:32:10 <Zakim> +Christophe_Strobbe
12:33:25 <Zakim> + +98439aaaa
12:33:49 <shadi> zakim, aaaa is really CarlosI
12:33:49 <Zakim> +CarlosI; got it
12:35:55 <Tim> Tim has joined #tsdtf
12:37:41 <Christophe> Scribe: Tim
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12:37:50 <Christophe> Zakim, take up agendum 1
12:37:50 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Reviewing remapped test samples" taken up [from Christophe]
12:37:55 <Tim> Topic: Reviewing Remapped Test Samples
12:38:57 <Tim> CS: 8 reviews of test samples, 1 in mailing list and 7 in wiki 
12:39:04 <Christophe> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Jun/0010.html
12:39:22 <Zakim> +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
12:39:51 <CarlosV> zakim, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas is really CarlosV
12:39:51 <Zakim> +CarlosV; got it
12:40:07 <Christophe> HTML view: http://canada.esat.kuleuven.be/bentoweb/tsdtf/xhtmlnew/metadata/content-structure-separation-programmatic_001.html
12:41:21 <Tim> CS: discussion on test purpose (can we test intent?)
12:45:07 <Christophe> Technique: http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20080430/F43.html
12:47:01 <Tim> SAZ: referenced technique is too generic (many interpretations?)..
12:47:36 <Tim> maybe split up into multiple more specific techniques 
12:48:00 <Tim> TB: need clearer test purpose
12:49:31 <Tim> CS: failure based on visual appearance in most browsers 
12:50:02 <Tim> SAZ: techniques should be as atomic as possible
12:51:04 <Tim> SAZ: examples should be techniques of their own
12:51:41 <Tim> SAZ: maybe multiple tests elaborated out
12:52:01 <Tim> CS: makes sense
12:52:48 <Tim> CV: happen with other techniques as well (make list of open issues?)
12:53:20 <Tim> SAZ: test samples can identify potential issues in techniques
12:53:24 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/process
12:54:20 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/TestSampleStatusList
12:54:27 <Tim> SAZ: two queues come out of our group to WCAG - one queue has issues
12:54:45 <Tim> SAZ: do issues template
12:55:02 <Christophe> Issues template at http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/IssuesTemplatePage
12:55:15 <Tim> CV: need issues management tool
12:57:06 <Tim> SAZ: use wiki for now (only 14 test samples) first outcome for WCAG
12:58:30 <Tim> SAZ: first structure review, then content review, reviewer recommends,..
12:58:51 <Tim> then TF decision..
13:00:59 <Tim> ACTION: TB to fill out structure review template and content review template for first test
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13:10:51 <Tim> TB: additional language needed to clarify "resource" subdirectory in testfiles?   
13:11:16 <Tim> ACTION: CS to work on directory structure in using TCDL
13:12:47 <Tim> CS: "id" attribute is there in first metadata test sample file 
13:13:09 <Tim> CS: need to check metadata file again for "expected result"
13:15:59 <Tim> SAZ: separate questions out of template (identify issues) 
13:16:21 <Tim> SAZ: also set up template for issues 
13:16:31 <Christophe> Issues template at http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/IssuesTemplatePage
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13:19:09 <Tim> SAZ: link issue from each test sample
13:20:04 <Tim> SAZ: went through three test samples, did structure and content review, and identified issues along the way.. 
13:20:26 <Tim> sometimes issue in technique, sometimes issue in test sample.. 
13:20:33 <Tim> ..try to follow process
13:22:08 <Tim> SAZ: set up online straw poll, and either accept, reject, or raise issue  
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13:23:26 <Tim> ACTION: SAZ to send out Web-based straw poll 
13:25:19 <Tim> SAZ: WCAG uses this, and may save time
13:25:50 <Tim> SAZ: next meeting next week (TB may not be able to attend)
13:26:43 <Zakim> -CarlosV
13:26:45 <Zakim> -Christophe_Strobbe
13:26:46 <Zakim> -CarlosI
13:26:48 <Zakim> -shadi
13:26:50 <Zakim> -Tim_Boland
13:26:52 <Zakim> WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
13:26:53 <Zakim> Attendees were Tim_Boland, shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, +98439aaaa, CarlosI, CarlosV