IRC log of tsdtf on 2008-06-24
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- 12:30:03 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-tsdtf-irc
- 12:30:12 [Christophe]
- zakim, what conferences?
- 12:30:12 [Zakim]
- I see UW_Team()8:00AM, Team_(ectf)11:55Z, XML_SMLWG()3:00AM, ARCH_Team()8:00AM active
- 12:30:14 [Zakim]
- also scheduled at this time are XML_QueryWG()3:00AM, WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM, XML_XSLWG()3:00AM, GA_SVGWG()8:30AM, IA_CDFWG()8:30AM
- 12:30:23 [Christophe]
- Zakim, this will be WAI_TSDTF
- 12:30:23 [Zakim]
- ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start now
- 12:30:35 [Christophe]
- Meeting: WAI TSDTF
- 12:30:37 [shadi]
- zakim, code?
- 12:30:37 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 8783 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
- 12:30:43 [Christophe]
- Chairs: CarlosV, Christophe
- 12:31:00 [Christophe]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Jun/0009.html
- 12:31:12 [Christophe]
- Agenda+ Reviewing remapped test samples
- 12:31:25 [Zakim]
- WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started
- 12:31:32 [Zakim]
- +??P10
- 12:31:35 [Zakim]
- +Tim_Boland
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- -??P10
- 12:31:39 [Zakim]
- +??P10
- 12:31:50 [shadi]
- zakim, ? is me
- 12:31:50 [Zakim]
- +shadi; got it
- 12:32:09 [carlosI]
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- 12:32:10 [Zakim]
- +Christophe_Strobbe
- 12:33:25 [Zakim]
- + +98439aaaa
- 12:33:49 [shadi]
- zakim, aaaa is really CarlosI
- 12:33:49 [Zakim]
- +CarlosI; got it
- 12:35:55 [Tim]
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- 12:37:41 [Christophe]
- Scribe: Tim
- 12:37:42 [CarlosV]
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- 12:37:50 [Christophe]
- Zakim, take up agendum 1
- 12:37:50 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Reviewing remapped test samples" taken up [from Christophe]
- 12:37:55 [Tim]
- Topic: Reviewing Remapped Test Samples
- 12:38:57 [Tim]
- CS: 8 reviews of test samples, 1 in mailing list and 7 in wiki
- 12:39:04 [Christophe]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Jun/0010.html
- 12:39:22 [Zakim]
- +Klaus/Johannes/Thomas
- 12:39:51 [CarlosV]
- zakim, Klaus/Johannes/Thomas is really CarlosV
- 12:39:51 [Zakim]
- +CarlosV; got it
- 12:40:07 [Christophe]
- HTML view: http://canada.esat.kuleuven.be/bentoweb/tsdtf/xhtmlnew/metadata/content-structure-separation-programmatic_001.html
- 12:41:21 [Tim]
- CS: discussion on test purpose (can we test intent?)
- 12:45:07 [Christophe]
- Technique: http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-WCAG20-TECHS-20080430/F43.html
- 12:47:01 [Tim]
- SAZ: referenced technique is too generic (many interpretations?)..
- 12:47:36 [Tim]
- maybe split up into multiple more specific techniques
- 12:48:00 [Tim]
- TB: need clearer test purpose
- 12:49:31 [Tim]
- CS: failure based on visual appearance in most browsers
- 12:50:02 [Tim]
- SAZ: techniques should be as atomic as possible
- 12:51:04 [Tim]
- SAZ: examples should be techniques of their own
- 12:51:41 [Tim]
- SAZ: maybe multiple tests elaborated out
- 12:52:01 [Tim]
- CS: makes sense
- 12:52:48 [Tim]
- CV: happen with other techniques as well (make list of open issues?)
- 12:53:20 [Tim]
- SAZ: test samples can identify potential issues in techniques
- 12:53:24 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/process
- 12:54:20 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/TestSampleStatusList
- 12:54:27 [Tim]
- SAZ: two queues come out of our group to WCAG - one queue has issues
- 12:54:45 [Tim]
- SAZ: do issues template
- 12:55:02 [Christophe]
- Issues template at http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/IssuesTemplatePage
- 12:55:15 [Tim]
- CV: need issues management tool
- 12:57:06 [Tim]
- SAZ: use wiki for now (only 14 test samples) first outcome for WCAG
- 12:58:30 [Tim]
- SAZ: first structure review, then content review, reviewer recommends,..
- 12:58:51 [Tim]
- then TF decision..
- 13:00:59 [Tim]
- ACTION: TB to fill out structure review template and content review template for first test
- 13:03:12 [carlosI_]
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- 13:10:51 [Tim]
- TB: additional language needed to clarify "resource" subdirectory in testfiles?
- 13:11:16 [Tim]
- ACTION: CS to work on directory structure in using TCDL
- 13:12:47 [Tim]
- CS: "id" attribute is there in first metadata test sample file
- 13:13:09 [Tim]
- CS: need to check metadata file again for "expected result"
- 13:15:59 [Tim]
- SAZ: separate questions out of template (identify issues)
- 13:16:21 [Tim]
- SAZ: also set up template for issues
- 13:16:31 [Christophe]
- Issues template at http://www.w3.org/2006/tsdtf/IssuesTemplatePage
- 13:18:43 [carlosI_]
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- 13:19:09 [Tim]
- SAZ: link issue from each test sample
- 13:20:04 [Tim]
- SAZ: went through three test samples, did structure and content review, and identified issues along the way..
- 13:20:26 [Tim]
- sometimes issue in technique, sometimes issue in test sample..
- 13:20:33 [Tim]
- ..try to follow process
- 13:22:08 [Tim]
- SAZ: set up online straw poll, and either accept, reject, or raise issue
- 13:22:10 [carlosI_]
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- 13:23:26 [Tim]
- ACTION: SAZ to send out Web-based straw poll
- 13:25:19 [Tim]
- SAZ: WCAG uses this, and may save time
- 13:25:50 [Tim]
- SAZ: next meeting next week (TB may not be able to attend)
- 13:26:43 [Zakim]
- -CarlosV
- 13:26:45 [Zakim]
- -Christophe_Strobbe
- 13:26:46 [Zakim]
- -CarlosI
- 13:26:48 [Zakim]
- -shadi
- 13:26:50 [Zakim]
- -Tim_Boland
- 13:26:52 [Zakim]
- WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended
- 13:26:53 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Tim_Boland, shadi, Christophe_Strobbe, +98439aaaa, CarlosI, CarlosV