IRC log of swd on 2008-06-24
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- zakim, this will be swd
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- ok, Ralph, I see SW_SWD()11:00AM already started
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- zakim, who's on the phone?
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- On the phone I see Tom_Baker
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- +Ralph
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- +Margherita_Sini
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- rrsagent, please make record public
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- Meeting: SemWeb Deployment WG
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jun/0086.html
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html previous 2008-06-17
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- Regrets: Quentin, Simone, Jon, Ed, Guus, Vit
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- Chair: Tom
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- +??P19
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- zakim, ??P19 is me
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- +seanb; got it
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- scribe: SeanB
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- +??P36
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- zakim, ??p36 is AliMan
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- +AliMan; got it
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- zakim, mute me
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- AliMan should now be muted
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- +Antoine_Isaac
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- Topic: Admin
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- Tom: Telecon next week, Guus to chair.
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- PROPOSED to accept minutes of the last telecon:
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html
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- RESOLVED to accept the minutes
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- Topic: SKOS
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- ACTION: Ed to investigate what text could be added to primer re. concept co-ordination [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/22-swd-minutes.html#action02]
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- zakim, unmute me
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- AliMan should no longer be muted
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- ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Alistair to check the old namespace wrt dereferencing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action03]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Antoine and Ed to add content to Primer about irreflexivity [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action06]
- 15:07:51 [Ralph]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jun/0094.html Antoine's proposed text
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Sean to write a proposal to indicate to OWL WG our requirements for annotation properties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action07]
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- --done
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jun/0089.html Sean's proposed text
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- Sean: I plan to discuss this with folks in the OWL WG who have offices near me
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- ... if we had rich annotations, that's what we would use for SKOS
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- ... it's not clear how much benefit we'd get from just labels and the documentation properties; hard to reason with these
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- ... hard to see much benefit from defining complex classes using the documentation properties
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- ... both Alistair and I think of these things as being annotations
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- ... I'll post this to the OWL WG in a week or so after collecting comments from SWD WG
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- ... the OWL WG is interested in our comments as they see SKOS as a use case for their annotation and punning work
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- +[CTIC]
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- zakim, [CTIC] is me
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- +berrueta; got it
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- ACTION: Sean to post comment to OWL WG re annotation requirements.
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- ACTION: Alistar to update the history page adding direct link to latest version of rdf triple [recorded in
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-swd-minutes.html#action01]
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- --continues
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- ACTION: Editors of the Use Cases to clean up the lists of requirements in light of resolutions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-swd-minutes.html#action02]
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- Antoine: put notes about requirements up on wiki.
- 15:13:09 [seanb]
- ...do we change the list of requirements?
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- ... good starting points
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- Tom: reminder. Requirements to be published as WG Note in December.
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- ...The document as is is a record of our thinking. Should we edit it to
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- ...reflect our requirements?
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- Antoine: Main thing to check whether we have met the resolutions
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- Ralph: Suggest we don't delete requirements. If there are reqs that we've decided not
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- ... to meet, should say that explicitly.
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- ... Wouldn't bother adding requirements to document. Don't feel so
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- ...stornlgy, but not necessary to put in there detail abut outher things that we ended
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- ... up doing.
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- s/stornlgy/strongly/
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- ...Would mark anything additional as additional
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- ...As Tom suggested, more of a historical record. How we resolved those
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- +1 on Ralph's approach to Use Cases
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- ...things listed as potential requirements.
- 15:15:52 [aliman]
- +1 on what ralph said, say explicitly if don't meet stated requirements, don't need to add requirements
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- Tom: Basically cleaning up, not necessarily adding things but making things neat.
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- Ralph: Have we gone through and identified everything>
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- TOm: Ongoing task to get Use case + requirement as WG Note.
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- Antoine: Would rather consider this action done.
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- Ralph: another action may be needed.
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- Antoine: Mostly Guus who wanted this thin done. Spotting requirements for which
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- ...we haven't done the jobs.
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jun/0093.html "status of SKOS requirement" [Antoine 2008-06-24]
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- TOm: Action is to get use cases doc as a whole into shape. Then have two people read through
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- ...and provide views, then declare as note. Could continue action as it
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- ...covers what needs to be done.
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-minutes.html Ralph
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- ACTION: Guus to mail his position on issues 72, 73 and 75 to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action25]
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- http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/41
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- Tom: Agenda shows two issues. Antoine raised ISSUE 41 which he thought was closed.
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- Antoine: Use of language tags in examples in all documents. Can't remember original comment. Long
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- ...time ago. Examples changed in primer to fit the comment. Idea was to check with original author?
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- ...is this why issue is pending? Confident that the required changes were made.
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- Ralph: Issue tracker suggests that this was sorted and we just need to get in touch with the commentor
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- Alistair: Can't remember if email was sent.
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- ...sure that commentor was happy.
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- PROPOSED to declare ISSUE 41 closed.
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- RESOLVED to close ISSUE 41.
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- Tom: Two remaining issues
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- ... 84.
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/84 ISSUE 84; ConstructionOfSystematicDisplaysFromGroupings
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- Antoine: Ongoing. No time to check this. Diego sent proposal for algorithm a while ago. Noone
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- ... has checked it. Could decide to postpone?
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- Tom: Would propose to postpone. If this is posted to list, then we could decide this next week.
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- Antoine; Even if Diego's algorithm is really cool (which there's little doubt about :-)
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- ...should it be in documents?
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- Diego: Based on how thesaurus should be displayed. Don't have access to ISO
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- ...standard, so work based on things that Alistair included in wiki page.
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- in February, Alistair wrote "ISSUE-84 ConstructionOfSystematicDisplaysFromGroupings) --
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- important, but arguably out of scope.
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- "
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- ...can't be considered a complete implementation
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Feb/0096.html "Issues Review" [Alistair 2008-02-21]
- 15:26:46 [seanb]
- ...if someone can help or provide informaiton about systematic display, would be happy to
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- ...extend implementation. Don't thunk algorithm should be in documents. It's a toy/example.
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- Tom: We are agreeing that this is out of scope for inclusion in specs. Independent of whether we
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- ...can work with Diego to publish in some form.
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- ...Suggest that in the interest of closing issues, Antoine takes an action to propose postponement.
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- ACTION: Antoine to propose that we postpone ISSUE 84.
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- Tom: Issue 86.
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/86 ISSUE 86; SkosURIDereferenceBehaviour
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- Alistair: We just need a proposal here which will be something along the lines of adding text to primer/reference following
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- ...Cool URIS, semantic Web recipes etc.
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- Tom: Basically linking to external resoruces.
- 15:29:38 [seanb]
- ...Is this reference, primer or both?
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- Ralph: Makes sense to have it as a reference issue. It's
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- ...best practice for use of SKOS, so reference.
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- Tom: Add a sentence or two plus links in reference.
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- Ralph: Particularly if there are any minimum required behaviours. E.g.
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- ...you're conforming if you do the following.
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- Alsitair: would be reluctant to bring that into the reference. Additional level of
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- ...conformance.
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- s/Alsitair/Alistair/
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- Ralph: Makes sense to give some advice.
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- Alistair: Happy to have no minimum requirements. But would like to encourage good practice.
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- +1 Alistair
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- Ralph: Would like to see a proposal on what the recommended behaviour would be,
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- Ralph: Are concepts different from other stuff?
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- ACTION on SKOS Reference editors to propose a recommended minimum URI dereference behaviour
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- ACTION: SKOS Reference editors to propose a recommended minimum URI dereference behaviour
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- Tom: Comment on change of namespace.
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- ...Do we need to do anything?
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- ...Has anyone pointed out this is a major versioning?
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- Antoine: Comment is slighlty different from the first one. While we might have a new version,
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008Jun/0064.html "SKOS comment: change of namespace" [Laurent LE MEUR 2008-06-17]
- 15:35:20 [seanb]
- ... we could have used the original as it wasn't really official.
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- Sean: could be argued either way; we decided to make the change
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- Tom: This posting puts the emphasis on the status of the vocabulary. The answer really involves explaining that this is
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- ...
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- a major versining. Simply recording the justification that the previous version didn't have this status.
- 15:37:03 [seanb]
- ...Would be useful to respond along those lines.
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- Antoine: Maybe a good rsponse would be that akthough the previous version wasn't a standard,
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- ...it was "de facto"
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- Ralph: Refrain from using the words "de facto", but this is roughly the reasons from the face to face.
- 15:38:14 [seanb]
- ...Discussions from f2f were that changing existing vocabs would be a lot of work.
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- ack Ralph
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- ...Meeting record should shw that we considered pain for authors and developers.
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- Ralph: Should respond or it may turn into Last Call comment. Feel a bit
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- ...bad that we didn't highlight this in the status of the document. In retrospect we might have
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- ...written a sentence calling this to people's attention
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- Tom: This will come up, so lets formualte a response now. Can someone take an action to formulate a resposne
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- ...on the list.
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- ...Look at f2f washinton record to reconstruct this.
- 15:40:20 [Ralph]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#skosnamespace SKOS Namespace discussion of 2008-05-06
- 15:40:21 [aliman]
- Ralph, I feel bad about that too, I can't believe I didn't think to add a note on this to the "changes" section of the reference.
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- Sean: is it right to do this on the lsit?
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- Tom: Yes. Final response will go to the commentor.
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- Ralph: Draft the response in the fish bowl.
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- ACTION: Sean to draft response to comment about namespace.
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- Topic: RDFa
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- ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14]
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- Tom: Anyone reporting re RDFa?
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- Ralph: Telecon last week dealin with last minute LC comment which was resolved
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- ...with editorial changes only. Substance of comment was uncertainty about the technical
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- ...direction. Clarified language about use of doc type when DTD validation is considered important
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- ...by the document author.
- 15:43:34 [seanb]
- ...Published CR. Now officially in CR. WOuld like to point out that
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2008AprJun/0113.html "Pubrules update: XHTML+RDFa permitted as DTD in non-Recs"
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- ... pubrules now permit XHTML+RDFa in documents.
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- ...So anything up to CR can use RDFa. Important milestone.
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- ...Have already met the CR. Two interoperable implementations.
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- ...Hoping for more information about implementations. Only thing we really need to do is
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- ...respond to comments.
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- Topic: Recipes
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- ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20]
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- --continues
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- Ralph: Continues until infrastructure is available.
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- -Antoine_Isaac
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- ACTION: Jon and Ralph to publish Recipes as Working Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03]
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- --continues
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- Ralph: Jon owes me some text.
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- Diego: Wondering about what Ralph just said about RDFa in W3C documents. Does this apply to notes?
- 15:47:38 [seanb]
- ...Should we add RDFa to our upcoming documents?
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- Ralph: Excellent question. Ian's message to chairs says "all TR except for Recommendations".
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- ..so could do this for Notes.
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- Tom: Essentially taking header information
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- Ralph: Basic DC metadata.
- 15:49:03 [seanb]
- ...Idea why Recommendations are excluded is because any document that's expected to be
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- ...updated can use RDFa, but Recs are hard to change, so need to wait until RDFa is Rec.
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- Diego: W3C has database with RDF data?
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- Ralph: yes
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- Diego: is it a good idea to add metadata inside document?
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- + +1.425.266.aaaa
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- Ralph: Diego -- make a list of interesting metadata that could be included
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- zakim, aaaa is Daniel
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- +Daniel; got it
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- Diego: For instance links between current and previous versions
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- ...would be intersting. So could be added as RDFa
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- Tom: In terms of process, we're proposing to adopt a uniform approach for all the new technical documents.
- 15:51:23 [Ralph]
- zakim, Daniel is Daniel_Maycock
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- +Daniel_Maycock; got it
- 15:51:41 [seanb]
- ...Recipes, new drafts etc.
- 15:51:57 [seanb]
- ...Welcome to Daniel Maycock of Boeing.
- 15:52:19 [seanb]
- ...What we should probably do is work out what the metadata will say,
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- 15:52:31 [seanb]
- ...maybe using recipes as test case, then adopt that approach for others. Otherwise will
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- ...end up with inconsistency. If we can get this right, then it's an example we can point to.
- 15:53:05 [seanb]
- ...Worth taking a moment to look specifically at content of the metadata. Can someone take an action to
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- ...make a proposal.
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- Diego: Considering adding a page to the wiki about using RDFa on W3C TR.
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- Tom: Excellent idea. Even if it's just a page that's simple, thought through, then
- 15:53:57 [seanb]
- ...we could even publish it as a Note.
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- Ralph: No need to go hog wild (!!). DC is a no-brainer. Maybe also some other
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- ...things, but good to see a list.
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- ACTION: Diego to propose minimum RDFa metadata set for WG deliverables.
- 15:55:20 [seanb]
- Topic: Vocabulary Management
- 15:55:31 [seanb]
- No actions, Vit and Elisa not on the call.
- 15:55:44 [TomB]
- vit, would you like to report on Vocabulary Management?
- 15:55:57 [aliman]
- zakim, mute me
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- AliMan should now be muted
- 15:55:58 [vit]
- no news from me
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- zakim, unmute me
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- AliMan should no longer be muted
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- Ralph: Objective next week is to decide that we have a LC document?
- 15:56:46 [Ralph]
- Ralph: regrets from me for 8 July
- 15:56:49 [seanb]
- ...I will not be here for July 8th.
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- Tom: Not available for July 8, 15, 22. Need to think about how to schedule further calls.
- 15:57:25 [seanb]
- ...How close to LC?
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- Alistair: What do we need to do?
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- Ralph: Anything about which we expect substantive comments, if there's something
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- ...that we're likely to change, would be good to document those
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- ...explicitly in the LC draft, which would then allow us to fic them.
- 15:58:32 [seanb]
- Alistair: Flag anythin that might change.
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- Ralph: THings that we anticipate there will be sufficient comment to make us change our position.
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- Alistair: e.g namespace. Don't want to chew up lots of time.
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- Tom: Should we also flag mapping properties as at risk?
- 15:59:29 [seanb]
- ...Where would one flag this?
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- Ralph: Best place to do that would be in the mapping properties section. "This section
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- .../part of section are features at risk"
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- Tom: Do we need to do this in announcement?
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- Ralph: Announcement would include status. Don't have to enumerate, but should say if there are some
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- ...at risk features.
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- Tom: Who will write that announcment?
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- Ralph: Chairs and team contact
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- Alistair: Will need some input on which sections or features should be marked. Please
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- ... email list.
- 16:01:46 [seanb]
- Tom: Two mentioned: namespace and mapping properties. Are there any others?
- 16:02:07 [seanb]
- Ralph: Suspect that minutes of f2f will show anything controversial.
- 16:02:13 [Ralph]
- -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/71 ISSUE 71 ParallelMappingVocabulary
- 16:02:45 [seanb]
- Ralph: Recent decisions more likely to be controversial as these issues have been around a while.
- 16:03:06 [seanb]
- Alistair: Should we err on the side of caution?
- 16:03:32 [seanb]
- Ralph: If we believe it's controversial and new evidence could persuade us to change our psoition, then yes.
- 16:03:44 [seanb]
- ...if it's controversial and we know we won't change our minds, then no.
- 16:04:17 [seanb]
- Alistair: So w.r.t namespace, what new evidence would make us change our mind.
- 16:04:38 [seanb]
- Ralph: If /all/ the authors of SKOS documents complained.
- 16:04:47 [seanb]
- ...this is primarily a deployment based decision.
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- Tom: Kind of hoping that won't happen :-)
- 16:05:35 [seanb]
- ... inclined to avoid marking too many things as at risk. Looking at the Washington record would
- 16:05:40 [seanb]
- ...be useful
- 16:05:52 [seanb]
- Ralph: e.g. resolution for mapping stated this explciitly.
- 16:06:14 [seanb]
- ACTION: Editors of SKOS reference to specifically flag features at risk for Last Call.
- 16:06:31 [seanb]
- meeting adjourned
- 16:06:38 [Zakim]
- -berrueta
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- -Daniel_Maycock
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- -Margherita_Sini
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- -AliMan
- 16:06:41 [seanb]
- rrsagent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-minutes.html seanb
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- zakim, who is on the call?
- 16:06:50 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Tom_Baker, Ralph, seanb
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- -Tom_Baker
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- -Ralph
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- -seanb
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- SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Tom_Baker, Ralph, Margherita_Sini, seanb, AliMan, Antoine_Isaac, berrueta, +1.425.266.aaaa, Daniel_Maycock
- 16:08:03 [seanb]
- zakim, list attendees
- 16:08:03 [Zakim]
- sorry, seanb, I don't know what conference this is
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- zakim, bye
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- 17:22:28 [Ralph]
- rrsagent, bye
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- I see 17 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-actions.rdf :
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ed to investigate what text could be added to primer re. concept co-ordination [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/22-swd-minutes.html#action02] [1]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-06-59
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08] [2]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-07-14
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Alistair to check the old namespace wrt dereferencing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action03] [3]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-07-26
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Antoine and Ed to add content to Primer about irreflexivity [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action06] [4]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-07-35
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sean to write a proposal to indicate to OWL WG our requirements for annotation properties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action07] [5]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-08-11
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sean to post comment to OWL WG re annotation requirements. [6]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-12-01
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Alistar to update the history page adding direct link to latest version of rdf triple [recorded in [7]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-12-11
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Editors of the Use Cases to clean up the lists of requirements in light of resolutions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-swd-minutes.html#action02] [8]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-12-31
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Guus to mail his position on issues 72, 73 and 75 to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action25] [9]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-19-55
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Antoine to propose that we postpone ISSUE 84. [10]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-28-26
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: SKOS Reference editors to propose a recommended minimum URI dereference behaviour [11]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-33-17
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Sean to draft response to comment about namespace. [12]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-41-43
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [13]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-42-01
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [14]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-46-06
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Jon and Ralph to publish Recipes as Working Group Note [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-swd-minutes.html#action03] [15]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-46-55
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Diego to propose minimum RDFa metadata set for WG deliverables. [16]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T15-55-00
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Editors of SKOS reference to specifically flag features at risk for Last Call. [17]
- 17:22:28 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-swd-irc#T16-06-14