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13:56:30 <YvesS> zakim, this will be i18n ITS IG
13:56:30 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, YvesS
13:56:39 <YvesS> zakim, this will be i18n_TS
13:56:39 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, YvesS
13:57:49 <YvesS> zakim, this will be i18n_ITS IG
13:57:49 <Zakim> ok, YvesS, I see I18N_ITS IG()10:00AM already started
13:58:44 <YvesS> rrsagent, make log public
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14:00:10 <fsasaki> meeting: I18N ITS
14:00:12 <fsasaki> chair: Yves
14:00:14 <fsasaki> scribe: Felix
14:00:19 <fsasaki> scribeNick: fsasaki
14:00:42 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2008Jun/0025.html
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14:01:16 <Zakim> + +33.2.99.46.aabb
14:01:26 <Zakim> + +5989991aacc
14:02:01 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
14:02:01 <Zakim> On the phone I see +3531205aaaa, +33.2.99.46.aabb, +5989991aacc
14:02:01 <Zakim> On IRC I see najib, fsasaki, RRSAgent, Zakim, YvesS, camill, trackbot
14:02:39 <YvesS> zakim, 33.2.99.46.aabb is Yves
14:02:43 <Zakim> + +95496aadd
14:02:48 <YvesS> zakim, who is here?
14:02:55 <Zakim> sorry, YvesS, I do not recognize a party named '33.2.99.46.aabb'
14:03:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see +3531205aaaa, +33.2.99.46.aabb, +5989991aacc, +95496aadd
14:03:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see najib, fsasaki, RRSAgent, Zakim, YvesS, camill, trackbot
14:04:10 <Zakim> +??P32
14:05:16 <fsasaki> present: Yves, Najib, Camil
14:05:27 <YvesS> ingo, rodolfo
14:05:43 <fsasaki> present+ ingo, rodolfo
14:05:50 <fsasaki> regrets: Asgeir
14:06:02 <YvesS> asgeir, robert sent appologies
14:06:05 <fsasaki> regrets+ robert
14:06:31 <fsasaki> topic: action items
14:06:46 <fsasaki> Felix and Yves to compare their implemntations - ongoing
14:06:54 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2008Jun/0014.html
14:07:22 <fsasaki> Yves: same programing approach in both implementations, different from streaming
14:07:35 <fsasaki> .. we use DOM and decorate the tree
14:08:31 <fsasaki> Felix: agree, should look into how to merge the code 
14:09:02 <fsasaki> Rodolfo: looking forward to XLIFF export filter
14:09:09 <fsasaki> Yves: will continue work on that
14:10:14 <fsasaki> (discussion on user defined data in DOM)
14:11:15 <fsasaki> rodolfo: use libraries like jdom or dom4j which allow you to deal with parser independent information
14:11:50 <fsasaki> action: Yves to post java code to the list
14:11:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-73 - Post java code to the list [on Yves Savourel - due 2008-07-01].
14:12:46 <fsasaki> rodolfo: if you deal with large files you need a lot of memory
14:12:55 <fsasaki> .. propose to look into SAX handlers
14:13:18 <fsasaki> Yves: agree, related to ITS streaming topic
14:14:51 <fsasaki> Felix: thanks for the feedback. Probably we need an additional mechanism than the selector attribute that fits to SAX processing
14:15:06 <fsasaki> Yves: keep the AI open
14:15:18 <fsasaki> Next AI - Access module review
14:15:20 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2008Jun/0000.html
14:17:13 <fsasaki> Felix: don't think that we need a review, see mail
14:17:23 <fsasaki> Yves: agree
14:17:56 <fsasaki> Rodolfo: would be better to use an URL/URI
14:19:01 <fsasaki> (comment about the API)
14:19:28 <fsasaki> close AI 2, Next AI 3 - Felix to work on usage of ITS in SVG Tiny
14:20:15 <fsasaki> Felix: pending, waiting for the SVG Tiny schema
14:20:30 <fsasaki> action A4 - Felix will bring Atom case to i18n core
14:20:30 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - A4
14:21:11 <fsasaki> pending as well
14:21:21 <fsasaki> topic: ITS Processor API
14:21:31 <fsasaki> discussed during AI discussion
14:21:39 <fsasaki> topic: ITS Streaming processor
14:21:44 <YvesS> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2008Jun/thread.html#msg8
14:23:47 <fsasaki> Rodolfo: what is the reasonable size of documents?
14:23:56 <fsasaki> Yves: daily work: 2, 3 MByte files
14:24:30 <fsasaki> Rodolfo: for that size DOM should be fine
14:25:08 <fsasaki> Yves: without pointer attributes you might be fine with simplified XPath expression
14:25:51 <fsasaki> Rodolfo: saxon is very common
14:26:02 <fsasaki> .. provides XPath support for SAX engine
14:26:14 <fsasaki> Yves: what are the limitations of XPath expressions here?
14:26:40 <fsasaki> Rodolfo: don't know
14:27:20 <fsasaki> action: Felix to look into XPath expressivity in SAX engine of saxon
14:27:20 <trackbot> Created ACTION-74 - Look into XPath expressivity in SAX engine of saxon [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-07-01].
14:28:58 <fsasaki> topic: local way of specifying inline elements
14:29:04 <fsasaki> Ingo describes the topic
14:31:53 <fsasaki> Yves: Ingo, could you provide a use case?
14:32:04 <fsasaki> Ingo: will look into that
14:32:24 <fsasaki> action: Ingo to put together a use case for the local "Elements within Text" usage
14:32:24 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Ingo
14:32:57 <fsasaki> topic: ITS Processor with XSLT
14:33:25 <fsasaki> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-its-ig/2008Jun/0027.html
14:33:35 <YvesS> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/ITS_Translate_Decorator
14:33:35 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/International/its/wiki/ITS_Translate_Decorator
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14:35:38 <Jirka2> hi, I'm sorry for being late. Should I make call now or are you already finished with callM
14:37:31 <fsasaki> Camille: understand the explanation. Doing a lot of XSLT processing
14:37:56 <fsasaki> .. for little projects we do that, for bigger projects we may use Java
14:38:04 <fsasaki> present+ Jirka
14:38:31 <fsasaki> Yves: Felix will be happy about input on XSLT implementation. One issue was if XSLT 2.0 is OK
14:38:57 <fsasaki> Camille: problem with XSLT 2.0 is the low number of processors, and grammar is a bit more complex than 1.0
14:39:02 <Zakim> + +1.747.670.aaee
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14:40:02 <fsasaki> Felix: many thanks for the feedback, if you have time to run this it would be great
14:41:19 <fsasaki> Yves: next steps, see  " Further development" section
14:41:25 <fsasaki> Felix: sorry, can't give a timeline yet
14:41:43 <fsasaki> topic: ITS-oriented reviews of new XML specifications
14:42:42 <fsasaki> http://www.w3.org/TR/#last-call
14:44:03 <fsasaki> Felix: volunteer to look into XSD
14:44:25 <fsasaki> action: Felix to look into XSD 1.1
14:44:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-75 - Look into XSD 1.1 [on Felix Sasaki - due 2008-07-01].
14:44:33 <fsasaki> Jirka: look into SSML
14:44:40 <fsasaki> action: Jirka to look into SSML 1.1
14:44:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-76 - Look into SSML 1.1 [on Jirka Kosek - due 2008-07-01].
14:45:13 <fsasaki> topic: ITS Rules repository
14:46:48 <fsasaki> Felix: would be great to have somebody looking into ODF
14:46:56 <fsasaki> Yves: good idea, but huge task
14:47:13 <fsasaki> .. if you have time to look into ODF, please have a look
14:47:24 <rmraya> what about OOXML?
14:47:24 <fsasaki> action: Everybody to look into ITS usage in ODF
14:47:24 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - Everybody
14:48:19 <fsasaki> rodolfo: ODF has a lot of elements, but e.g. mostly one element for inline (span)
14:49:12 <fsasaki> rodolfo: how about OOXML?
14:49:42 <fsasaki> Yves: good point, but it's quite different to ODF
14:50:06 <fsasaki> .. also a good candidate to look at
14:50:19 <fsasaki> topic: AOB
14:50:31 <fsasaki> ingo: additional data category to handle context?
14:50:49 <fsasaki> Yves: like information to be displayed, but not a note?
14:50:52 <fsasaki> Ingo: yes
14:51:01 <fsasaki> Yves: good idea, can you make a use case?
14:51:06 <fsasaki> Ingo: ok
14:51:11 <fsasaki> Yves: any AOB?
14:51:40 <fsasaki> Camille: someone complained about docbook, no ruby markup support, ongoing topic on docbook
14:51:56 <fsasaki> .. jirka mentioned i18n of docbook, i18n might be integrated into main schema
14:52:44 <fsasaki> Yves: adjourn this meeting, next call July 22nd
14:53:13 <Zakim> - +5989991aacc
14:53:14 <Zakim> - +3531205aaaa
14:53:14 <Zakim> -Felix
14:53:16 <Zakim> - +33.2.99.46.aabb
14:53:17 <Zakim> - +1.747.670.aaee
14:53:19 <Zakim> I18N_ITS IG()10:00AM has ended
14:53:21 <Zakim> Attendees were +3531205aaaa, +33.2.99.46.aabb, +5989991aacc, +95496aadd, Felix, +1.747.670.aaee
14:53:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
14:54:02 <fsasaki> present+ Felix
14:54:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-i18nits-minutes.html fsasaki
14:55:00 <fsasaki> zakim, bye
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14:55:02 <fsasaki> rrsagent, bye
14:55:02 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-i18nits-actions.rdf :
14:55:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Yves to post java code to the list [1]
14:55:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-i18nits-irc#T14-11-50
14:55:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to look into XPath expressivity in SAX engine of saxon [2]
14:55:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-i18nits-irc#T14-27-20
14:55:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ingo to put together a use case for the local "Elements within Text" usage [3]
14:55:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-i18nits-irc#T14-32-24
14:55:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Felix to look into XSD 1.1 [4]
14:55:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-i18nits-irc#T14-44-25
14:55:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jirka to look into SSML 1.1 [5]
14:55:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-i18nits-irc#T14-44-40
14:55:02 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Everybody to look into ITS usage in ODF [6]
14:55:02 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/24-i18nits-irc#T14-47-24-1