IRC log of sml on 2008-06-19

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17:59:26 [julia]
zakim, this will be sml
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meeting: W3C SML Teleconference of 2008-06-19
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scribenick: Julia
18:02:22 [julia]
scribe: Julia McCarthy
18:02:33 [MSM-EDI]
johnarwe, sorry, my machine is here and my body is here and the network is here, but my brain is apparently hovering over iceland
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18:02:49 [MSM-EDI]
so my regrets for today's cal
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+[Microsoft]
18:03:09 [pratul]
Zakim, Microsoft is me
18:03:09 [Zakim]
+pratul; got it
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+kumar
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+ginny
18:04:08 [julia]
chair: John Arwe
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+jim
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agenda is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Jun/0044.html
18:05:47 [julia]
topic: Approval of minutes from previous meeting(s)
18:06:09 [johnarwe]
6/12 minutes
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RESOLUTION: minutes from 6/12/2008 approved as a true record of the meeting
18:07:03 [julia]
topic: "from the CG"
18:07:19 [Zakim]
+Sandy
18:07:32 [julia]
John: We have "dibs" on the beginning of the week
18:07:39 [julia]
topic: Action Items
18:08:00 [julia]
Pratul - no update
18:08:20 [julia]
s/Pratul -/Pratul:
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John: MSM says he expects to post something on his action items before the f2f
18:09:16 [julia]
topic: Bugs unlikely to be contentious
18:09:29 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5459
18:09:48 [julia]
s/5459/5499
18:11:17 [julia]
John: Is there any objection to text in comment #4 ammended by note in comment #6
18:11:22 [julia]
no objections
18:14:42 [johnarwe]
s/ammended by note/with the exception of that noted/
18:15:23 [julia]
John: any objections to the ammendment noted in comment #6
18:16:32 [julia]
RESOLUTION: replace the words "For example" with the words "That is". Remove needsReview keyword. Editors can close after making update.
18:16:46 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5710
18:18:05 [julia]
RESOLUTION: Close as duplicate of 5720 as proposed by originator of 5710. Remove keywords.
18:18:27 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5712
18:19:42 [julia]
RESOLUTION: Add "global" as proposed. Mark Editorial.
18:19:50 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5715
18:20:44 [julia]
John: objections to the changes Kumar suggests for comments #2 and #3?
18:22:59 [julia]
No objections - after discussion
18:23:46 [julia]
John: any objections to the changes proposed in comments #4
18:24:01 [julia]
Kumar and Ginny: "are used" would make this more clear
18:28:35 [ginny]
based on the set of SML reference schemes they understand and which *are* used in the model they process
18:29:43 [ginny]
based on the set of SML reference schemes they understand and *which are* used in the model they process
18:30:16 [julia]
RESOLUTION: Make the changes suggested in #2 and #3. Make the change described in comment #4. Instead of the change suggested in #5 make the change typed by ginny above in the irc window. Mark editorial.
18:31:15 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5741
18:33:45 [johnarwe]
f these references are allowed to be relative references, i.e. they are not already target-complete, then some implementation-dependent base URI or IRI is used to resolve them to URIs or IRIs. (See section 5 of [IETF RFC 3986] and section 6.5 of [IETF RFC 3987].)
18:37:53 [julia]
John: According to bug 5545 we should not name the RFC (as shown in change 2)
18:38:11 [julia]
Kumar: agrees with changes except for reference to RFC.
18:38:43 [julia]
John: Let editors remove reference to RFC 3986
18:39:18 [julia]
Kumar: points out that 2a is not defined in the RFC
18:42:48 [julia]
RESOLUTION: Fix as described in comment except remove reference to RFC 3986. Mark Editorial, remove hasProposal.
18:43:05 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5561
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s/5561/5761
18:43:52 [julia]
RESOLUTION: Make changes as described. Mark Editorial.
18:44:00 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5680
18:47:15 [julia]
John: proposal - make 7.1 non-normative
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ginny: proposal - remove section 7.1
18:55:14 [julia]
Pratul: modify message in second example so the message can actually be used outside of schematron assert. Work on this in email.
18:55:49 [julia]
Ginny: questions the use of deref(.) in the variable
18:56:31 [julia]
John: Let's use email to flush out changes that Pratul and Ginny want.
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s/Pratul/Kumar
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s/Pratul:/Kumar:
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ACTION: Kumar initiate discussion of 5680 changes in public email
18:57:46 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-196 - Initiate discussion of 5680 changes in public email [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-06-26].
18:58:15 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5679
18:58:37 [julia]
RESOLUTION: Mark as Fixed, Resolved.
18:58:45 [julia]
Clear out keywords.
18:58:51 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5720
18:59:51 [julia]
John: any comments, questions, objections to changes in comment #6
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none noted
19:00:04 [julia]
John: any objections to proposed changes in comment #8
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none noted
19:00:39 [julia]
RESOLUTION: Mark editorial. Fix per comment #8. Remove needsReview.
19:00:50 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5760
19:05:10 [julia]
ACTION: Virginia make a proposal based on the discussion of 5760 for Tuesday next week at the F2F.
19:05:11 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-197 - Make a proposal based on the discussion of 5760 for Tuesday next week at the F2F. [on Virginia Smith - due 2008-06-26].
19:05:28 [julia]
zakim, who is making noise?
19:05:38 [Zakim]
julia, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: johnarwe (36%), pratul (36%), ginny (9%)
19:06:12 [johnarwe]
5638
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topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5638
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6.3.2 bullet 2
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editor's draft: If a complex type D is derived by restriction or extension from {base type definition} B and if B has Schematron constraints defined on it then they are automatically copied to D and unioned with the Schematron constraints defined on D.
19:11:38 [johnarwe]
proposal (replace Schematron constraints w {rules} 2x): If a complex type D is derived by restriction or extension from {base type definition} B and if B has {rules} defined on it then they are automatically copied to D and unioned with the {rules} defined on D.
19:14:13 [julia]
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-sml-minutes.html julia
19:16:05 [johnarwe]
proposal (prev + Sandy's notion of superset): If a complex type D is derived by restriction or extension from {base type definition} B and if B has {rules} defined on it then D's {rules} are a superset of B's {rules}.
19:19:23 [julia]
RESOLUTION: Fix per first proposal noted by John in irc at [15:16]. Change needsAgreement to Editorial.
19:19:38 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5721
19:23:47 [julia]
Ginny: OK with proposal 1 in comment #2. Prefers to leave out first 3 bullets from proposal 2 in comment #2. bullets 4 & 5 are ok.
19:26:19 [julia]
RESOLUTION: Fix per proposal 1 in comment #2 and per bullets 4 & 5 of proposal 2 of comment #2 (leaving out bullets 1-3). Mark editorial. No need to review.
19:26:32 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5740
19:28:28 [julia]
Pratul: would like more time to look at this
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s/Pratul/Kumar
19:30:46 [pratul]
I need to step out - will be back in 5 mins
19:33:49 [Kirk]
Unfortunately, someone is trying to call me from England. I have to get off. See in Edinburgh on Monday.
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-Kirk
19:35:50 [pratul]
I am back
19:36:09 [julia]
ACTION: Kumar create a proposal for 5740.
19:36:09 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-198 - Create a proposal for 5740. [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-06-26].
19:36:31 [julia]
s/5740/5740 for Tuesday next week
19:36:42 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5653
19:37:09 [julia]
Defer until Kirk is here. Discuss Tuesday next week.
19:37:57 [julia]
topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5767
19:38:26 [johnarwe]
(Ginny was also not ready for 5653 today)
19:39:02 [Kirk]
RE: 5653. Thanks. I do want to give John a grammar lesson RE point 6.
19:47:15 [julia]
John: Can anyone articulate a concrete problem around the phrase "SML constraint"?
19:47:18 [julia]
none noted
19:47:52 [Sandy]
+1 to worksforme
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+ +1.603.823.aaaa
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zakim, aaaa is Kirk
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+Kirk; got it
19:51:35 [julia]
RESOLUTION: Close bug as "no fix required". Mark resolved as worksforme.
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-sml-minutes.html julia
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-pratul
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-kumar
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-ginny
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-johnarwe
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-Kirk
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-Julia
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-jim
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-Sandy
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XML_SMLWG()2:00PM has ended
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Attendees were Julia, johnarwe, Kirk, pratul, kumar, ginny, jim, Sandy, +1.603.823.aaaa
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rrsagent, generate minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-sml-minutes.html julia
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