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17:59:26 <julia> zakim, this will be sml
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18:02:03 <julia> meeting: W3C SML Teleconference of 2008-06-19
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18:02:14 <julia> scribenick: Julia
18:02:22 <julia> scribe: Julia McCarthy
18:02:33 <MSM-EDI> johnarwe, sorry, my machine is here and my body is here and the network is here, but my brain is apparently hovering over iceland
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18:02:49 <MSM-EDI> so my regrets for today's cal
18:02:55 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:03:09 <pratul> Zakim, Microsoft is me
18:03:09 <Zakim> +pratul; got it
18:03:15 <Zakim> +kumar
18:03:17 <Zakim> +ginny
18:04:08 <julia> chair: John Arwe
18:04:13 <Zakim> +jim
18:04:52 <johnarwe> agenda is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Jun/0044.html
18:05:47 <julia> topic: Approval of minutes from previous meeting(s)
18:06:09 <johnarwe> 6/12 minutes
18:06:28 <julia> RESOLUTION:  minutes from 6/12/2008 approved as a true record of the meeting
18:07:03 <julia> topic: "from the CG"
18:07:19 <Zakim> +Sandy
18:07:32 <julia> John: We have "dibs" on the beginning of the week
18:07:39 <julia> topic: Action Items
18:08:00 <julia> Pratul - no update
18:08:20 <julia> s/Pratul -/Pratul:
18:08:55 <julia> John: MSM says he expects to post something on his action items before the f2f
18:09:16 <julia> topic: Bugs unlikely to be contentious
18:09:29 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5459
18:09:48 <julia> s/5459/5499
18:11:17 <julia> John: Is there any objection to text in comment #4 ammended by note in comment #6
18:11:22 <julia> no objections
18:14:42 <johnarwe> s/ammended by note/with the exception of that noted/
18:15:23 <julia> John: any objections to the ammendment noted in comment #6
18:16:32 <julia> RESOLUTION: replace the words "For example" with the words "That is". Remove needsReview keyword. Editors can close after making update.
18:16:46 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5710
18:18:05 <julia> RESOLUTION: Close as duplicate of 5720 as proposed by originator of 5710. Remove keywords.
18:18:27 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5712
18:19:42 <julia> RESOLUTION: Add "global" as proposed. Mark Editorial.
18:19:50 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5715
18:20:44 <julia> John: objections to the changes Kumar suggests for comments #2 and #3?
18:22:59 <julia> No objections - after discussion 
18:23:46 <julia> John: any objections to the changes proposed in comments #4
18:24:01 <julia> Kumar and Ginny: "are used" would make this more clear
18:28:35 <ginny> based on the set of SML reference schemes they understand and which *are* used in the model they process
18:29:43 <ginny> based on the set of SML reference schemes they understand and *which are* used in the model they process
18:30:16 <julia> RESOLUTION: Make the changes suggested in #2 and #3. Make the change described in comment #4. Instead of the change suggested in #5 make the change typed by ginny above in the irc window. Mark editorial.
18:31:15 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5741
18:33:45 <johnarwe> f these references are allowed to be relative references, i.e. they are not already target-complete, then some implementation-dependent base URI or IRI is used to resolve them to URIs or IRIs. (See section 5 of [IETF RFC 3986] and section 6.5 of [IETF RFC 3987].)
18:37:53 <julia> John: According to bug 5545 we should not name the RFC (as shown in change 2)
18:38:11 <julia> Kumar: agrees with changes except for reference to RFC.
18:38:43 <julia> John: Let editors remove reference to RFC 3986
18:39:18 <julia> Kumar: points out that 2a is not defined in the RFC
18:42:48 <julia> RESOLUTION: Fix as described in comment except remove reference to RFC 3986. Mark Editorial, remove hasProposal.
18:43:05 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5561
18:43:22 <julia> s/5561/5761
18:43:52 <julia> RESOLUTION: Make changes as described. Mark Editorial.
18:44:00 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5680
18:47:15 <julia> John: proposal - make 7.1 non-normative
18:47:29 <julia> ginny: proposal - remove section 7.1
18:55:14 <julia> Pratul: modify message in second example so the message can actually be used outside of schematron assert. Work on this in email.
18:55:49 <julia> Ginny: questions the use of deref(.) in  the variable
18:56:31 <julia> John: Let's use email to flush out changes that Pratul and Ginny want. 
18:56:52 <julia> s/Pratul/Kumar
18:57:04 <julia> s/Pratul:/Kumar:
18:57:45 <julia> ACTION: Kumar initiate discussion of 5680 changes in public email
18:57:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-196 - Initiate discussion of 5680 changes in public email [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-06-26].
18:58:15 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5679
18:58:37 <julia> RESOLUTION: Mark as Fixed, Resolved.
18:58:45 <julia> Clear out keywords.
18:58:51 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5720
18:59:51 <julia> John: any comments, questions, objections to changes in comment #6
18:59:54 <julia> none noted
19:00:04 <julia> John: any objections to proposed changes in comment #8
19:00:06 <julia> none noted
19:00:39 <julia> RESOLUTION: Mark editorial. Fix per comment #8. Remove needsReview.
19:00:50 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5760
19:05:10 <julia> ACTION: Virginia make a proposal based on the discussion of 5760 for Tuesday next week at the F2F.
19:05:11 <trackbot> Created ACTION-197 - Make a proposal based on the discussion of 5760 for Tuesday next week at the F2F. [on Virginia Smith - due 2008-06-26].
19:05:28 <julia> zakim, who is making noise?
19:05:38 <Zakim> julia, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: johnarwe (36%), pratul (36%), ginny (9%)
19:06:12 <johnarwe> 5638
19:06:21 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5638
19:10:55 <johnarwe> 6.3.2 bullet 2
19:11:02 <johnarwe> editor's draft: If a complex type D is derived by restriction or extension from {base type definition} B and if B has Schematron constraints defined on it then they are automatically copied to D and unioned with the Schematron constraints defined on D.
19:11:38 <johnarwe> proposal (replace Schematron constraints w {rules} 2x): If a complex type D is derived by restriction or extension from {base type definition} B and if B has {rules} defined on it then they are automatically copied to D and unioned with the {rules} defined on D.
19:14:13 <julia> rrsagent, generate minutes
19:14:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-sml-minutes.html julia
19:16:05 <johnarwe> proposal (prev + Sandy's notion of superset): If a complex type D is derived by restriction or extension from {base type definition} B and if B has {rules} defined on it then D's {rules} are a superset of B's {rules}.
19:19:23 <julia> RESOLUTION: Fix per first proposal noted by John in irc at [15:16].  Change needsAgreement to Editorial.
19:19:38 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5721
19:23:47 <julia> Ginny: OK with proposal 1 in comment #2. Prefers to leave out first 3 bullets from proposal 2 in comment #2. bullets 4 & 5 are ok.
19:26:19 <julia> RESOLUTION: Fix per proposal 1 in comment #2 and per bullets 4 & 5 of proposal 2 of comment #2 (leaving out bullets 1-3).  Mark editorial. No need to review.
19:26:32 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5740
19:28:28 <julia> Pratul: would like more time to look at this
19:28:43 <julia> s/Pratul/Kumar
19:30:46 <pratul> I need to step out - will be back in 5 mins
19:33:49 <Kirk> Unfortunately, someone is trying to call me from England.  I have to get off.  See in Edinburgh on Monday.
19:34:10 <Zakim> -Kirk
19:35:50 <pratul> I am back
19:36:09 <julia> ACTION: Kumar create a proposal for 5740.
19:36:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-198 - Create a proposal for 5740. [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-06-26].
19:36:31 <julia> s/5740/5740 for Tuesday next week
19:36:42 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5653
19:37:09 <julia> Defer until Kirk is here. Discuss Tuesday next week.
19:37:57 <julia> topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5767
19:38:26 <johnarwe> (Ginny was also not ready for 5653 today)
19:39:02 <Kirk> RE: 5653.  Thanks.   I do want to give John a grammar lesson RE point 6.
19:47:15 <julia> John: Can anyone articulate a concrete problem around the phrase "SML constraint"?
19:47:18 <julia> none noted
19:47:52 <Sandy> +1 to worksforme
19:48:35 <Zakim> + +1.603.823.aaaa
19:48:49 <johnarwe> zakim, aaaa is Kirk
19:48:49 <Zakim> +Kirk; got it
19:51:35 <julia> RESOLUTION: Close bug as "no fix required". Mark resolved as worksforme. 
19:55:25 <julia> rrsagent, generate minutes
19:55:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-sml-minutes.html julia
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19:58:14 <Zakim> -kumar
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19:58:21 <Zakim> -johnarwe
19:58:21 <Zakim> -Kirk
19:58:24 <Zakim> -Julia
19:58:29 <Zakim> -jim
19:58:31 <Zakim> -Sandy
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19:58:32 <Zakim> Attendees were Julia, johnarwe, Kirk, pratul, kumar, ginny, jim, Sandy, +1.603.823.aaaa
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19:58:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-sml-minutes.html julia
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