Emotion Markup Language -- 19 Jun 2008

hi marc

<vircuser> exit

<felix> hello

<marc> hi!

hello felix

<marc> could you guys start joining the phone conf?

<marc> it's boring talking just to myself... ;-)

<Idoia> hi all!

<marc> Hi all, please also join the phone conference

ouch

i will volunteer

<marc> thank you Ian!!

is everything set up for scribing?

<marc> Scribe: IanWilson

<scribe> ScribeNick: Ian

<marc> next item

<IanWilson> ACTION: Marc to keep time schedule - due 2006.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action01]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - keep time schedule [on Marc Schröder - due 2008-06-19].

<IanWilson> Marc asks whether we agree that XML is the format we should progress with

<IanWilson> Ian says connection to other groups (who seem to all be using XML) will be very difficult unless we do not use XML

<IanWilson> Andy says Commercial organizations will have difficulty accepting anything but XML

<IanWilson> Bill says that OWL has flexibility

<felix> I vote for using XML cause I think it meets the requirements fair enough (gut feeling) and is known much wider than OWL which will help spreading the use

<IanWilson> Bill has shown with his example (http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/billj/custom-descriptor-challenge/) OWL can be use sub classes as our specification calls for

<marc> next item

<marc> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/emotion/XGR-emotion/#ExistingLanguages

<IanWilson> After a vote (Bill abstention due to lack of XML knowledge) we agree to move forward with XML as our format of choice

<marc> this link contains a set of links to things from existing markup languages that we could build upon

<IanWilson> After surveying various other current XML specifications points made are that they are complimentary to what we are trying to do

<IanWilson> Marc notes that we are not trying to redefine existing language features in our languages

<IanWilson> Instead we could look at how they have already solved problems we need to solve and perhaps use their solutions or be inspired by them

<marc> next item

<marc> e.g. "simple cases should look simple"

<marc> ... or "structure should be explicit enough to avoid confusion"

<IanWilson> Here is a more general set of best practices : http://www.xfront.com/BestPracticesHomepage.html

<IanWilson> Marc notes that apparently a first working draft does not contain an XML schema

<IanWilson> so we should focus our discussions on syntax

<IanWilson> Andy says we should focus on incorporating other languages as much as possible

<IanWilson> Ian says perhaps we can bias our representation towards being explicit

<IanWilson> Bill asks to clarify the definition of "explicit" and "implicit"

<IanWilson> Marc explains about EARLs implicit structure

<IanWilson> Felix mentions that we have already agreed some of the points

<IanWilson> ACTION: XMLGroup to show examples of explicit and implicit structure - due 2008.6.26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action02]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - XMLGroup

<IanWilson> ACTION: marc to show examples of explicit and implicit structure - due 2008.6.26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action03]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - show examples of explicit and implicit structure [on Marc Schröder - due 2008-06-19].

<marc> next item

<IanWilson> Enrico suggests that our choice of guiding principals be guided by first writing examples

<IanWilson> Marc asks for volunteers for the XML group

<felix> I volunteer

<marc> I volunteer

<IanWilson> ACTION: felix to join first XML group - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action04]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - join first XML group [on Felix Burkhardt - due 2008-06-19].

<IanWilson> ACTION: marc to join first XML group - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action05]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - join first XML group [on Marc Schröder - due 2008-06-19].

<IanWilson> I volunteer

<IanWilson> ACTION: ian to join first XML group - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action06]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-21 - join first XML group [on Ian Wilson - due 2008-06-19].

<IanWilson> ACTION: felix, marc, ian to discuss separately how to proceed with XML group - due 2008.6.26 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action07]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - felix,

<IanWilson> Marc asks how other would like to follow the discussions

<IanWilson> Bill would like to follow the discussions

<IanWilson> Ian says that the dynamics are different between group and private communicatuions

<IanWilson> Marc says that he would prefer initially to keep discussions within the small group

<IanWilson> Ian says perhaps we can "cc" other interested parties

<IanWilson> Marc suggests sending a note to the public mailing list posting that we are discussing things in a small group and anyone else interested should let us know

<IanWilson> ACTION: marc to notify public mailing list of XML group - due 2008.6.19 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action08]

<trackbot> Created ACTION-22 - notify public mailing list of XML group [on Marc Schröder - due 2008-06-19].

<IanWilson> ACTION: felix, marc, ian to something as a basis for discussion - due 2008.7.3 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/19-emotion-minutes.html#action09]

<trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - felix,

<marc> next item

<felix> yes I agree to try to organize a Cannes f2f

<IanWilson> Marc asks if he should proceed with organizing a Cannes f2f meeting

<marc> ScribeNick: IanWilson

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