IRC log of webapps on 2008-06-18
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- 18:31:46 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-webapps-irc
- 18:31:48 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 18:31:48 [Zakim]
- Zakim has joined #webapps
- 18:31:50 [trackbot]
- Zakim, this will be WAPP
- 18:31:50 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
- 18:31:51 [trackbot]
- Meeting: Web Applications Working Group Teleconference
- 18:31:51 [trackbot]
- Date: 18 June 2008
- 18:32:15 [shepazu]
- Zakim, code?
- 18:32:15 [Zakim]
- sorry, shepazu, I don't know what conference this is
- 18:32:38 [shepazu]
- Zakim, this is DOM3
- 18:32:38 [Zakim]
- shepazu, I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM in the schedule but not yet started. Perhaps you mean "this will be DOM3".
- 18:32:56 [shepazu]
- Zakim, this will be DOM3
- 18:32:56 [Zakim]
- ok, shepazu; I see IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM scheduled to start 2 minutes ago
- 18:32:59 [Zakim]
- IA_WebAPI(DOM3)2:30PM has now started
- 18:33:06 [shepazu]
- Zakim, code?
- 18:33:06 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 3663 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shepazu
- 18:33:08 [Zakim]
- +[IPcaller]
- 18:33:12 [shepazu]
- Zakim, call shepazu
- 18:33:12 [Zakim]
- ok, shepazu; the call is being made
- 18:33:14 [Zakim]
- +Shepazu
- 18:33:23 [smaug]
- Zakim, IPcaller is me
- 18:33:23 [Zakim]
- +smaug; got it
- 18:34:08 [shepazu]
- Chair: Doug Schepers
- 18:34:16 [shepazu]
- Regrets: Andrew Emmons
- 18:35:47 [arve_]
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- 18:36:14 [shepazu]
- http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-eventgroupings-wheelevents
- 18:45:55 [Travis]
- Travis has joined #webapps
- 18:47:02 [Zakim]
- +[Microsoft]
- 18:49:17 [shepazu]
- Action: smaug to produce test template for D3E
- 18:49:17 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-5 - Produce test template for D3E [on Olli Pettay - due 2008-06-25].
- 18:49:57 [shepazu]
- scribe: Olli Pettay
- 18:50:03 [shepazu]
- scribeNick: smaug
- 18:50:56 [smaug]
- Zakim, list attendees
- 18:50:56 [Zakim]
- As of this point the attendees have been Shepazu, smaug, [Microsoft]
- 18:50:59 [shepazu]
- Topic: Wheel Event
- 18:53:31 [shepazu]
- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/2008/webapps/wiki/18_Jun_2008
- 18:53:58 [shepazu]
- file://localhost/Users/schepers/Documents/Work/W3C/Repository/dev/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-eventgroupings-wheelevents
- 18:54:13 [shepazu]
- http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-Events-eventgroupings-wheelevents
- 18:55:13 [smaug]
- Doug: added definitions of roll and rotation
- 18:55:32 [smaug]
- Doug> added definitions of roll and rotation
- 18:56:11 [smaug]
- Travis: so MouseWheel is the legacy event
- 18:57:17 [smaug]
- Doug: there are several different mousewheel events; mouseWheel & DOMMouseScroll
- 18:58:17 [smaug]
- Doug: so new event is created: Wheel
- 18:58:34 [smaug]
- Doug: but still define the legacy MouseWheel
- 19:01:06 [smaug]
- Travis: could add some diagram
- 19:01:34 [smaug]
- ACTION: Doug to add a diagram about wheel axes etc
- 19:01:34 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-6 - Add a diagram about wheel axes etc [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-06-25].
- 19:04:16 [smaug]
- smaug: problem is that systems produce events with line scroll delta and pixel delta
- 19:04:48 [smaug]
- http://www.flickr.com/photos/robceemoz/2587912633/
- 19:05:33 [Travis]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-cssom-view-20080222/#scroll-attributes
- 19:05:47 [Travis]
- (It's not quite complete, obviously...)
- 19:09:35 [shepazu]
- http://dev.w3.org/2006/webapi/DOM-Level-3-Events/html/DOM3-Events.html#events-event-scroll
- 19:10:12 [smaug]
- smaug:scroll event happens after scrolling
- 19:11:51 [smaug]
- Doug: HTML and CSS should define that if element is capable to scroll, scroll should bubble to document
- 19:12:03 [smaug]
- smaug: the default handling shouldn't bubble to document
- 19:12:53 [arve]
- [not participating, but following by accident] make sure that the delta is well-defined both in terms of value and direction, browser deviate on both, some send +1 where others send -60
- 19:17:47 [smaug]
- Travis: wondering about the 2nd paragraph of 1.3
- 19:19:12 [smaug]
- checkboxes and radiobuttons are special cases
- 19:19:18 [shepazu]
- arve, will do
- 19:19:46 [arve]
- shepazu: my highly personal proposal is to define an angle and a distance
- 19:19:55 [smaug]
- ACTION: Doug to clarify default actions (section 1.3)
- 19:19:55 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-7 - Clarify default actions (section 1.3) [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-06-25].
- 19:20:13 [smaug]
- http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-forms/current-work/#the-click
- 19:20:52 [smaug]
- Doug: many things should be defined by the host language
- 19:21:57 [smaug]
- Doug: Both HTML and SVG should define click event handling on a link - event bubbles, default action is to fire DOMAction ...
- 19:23:10 [smaug]
- Doug: back to mousewheel
- 19:24:02 [smaug]
- Doug: arve had idea about angle
- 19:25:22 [smaug]
- Doug: Who should default the default handling of wheel event?
- 19:27:01 [smaug]
- smaug: the default handling depends on ctrl, alt keys etc
- 19:28:49 [smaug]
- Doug: I'll put a note that host language should define the default action for the wheel event
- 19:29:21 [shepazu]
- angle could be derived from the distance of deltaX and deltaY
- 19:30:20 [smaug]
- Doug: how often would you actually need angle?
- 19:34:37 [smaug]
- smaug: wheelevent should expose the type of the scroll units
- 19:36:01 [smaug]
- Travis: wheelevent should use some common units
- 19:39:51 [smaug]
- Doug: need to discuss about wheel event on the list
- 19:40:25 [smaug]
- Travis: should the default action of wheel fire scroll or cause scroll ?
- 19:40:33 [smaug]
- smaug: cause scroll
- 19:40:39 [smaug]
- which may cause scroll event
- 19:43:06 [smaug]
- Doug: one can change the default handling of mouse wheel on system; how many lines are scrolled
- 19:44:14 [smaug]
- Doug: should we actually have wheel event with its own units, like pixels
- 19:47:31 [Travis]
- http://forums.devshed.com/html-programming-1/drop-down-lists-15.html
- 19:51:58 [smaug]
- Doug: host language defines how to react to rolls
- 19:59:16 [smaug]
- Doug: roll is abstract unit
- 20:01:36 [smaug]
- http://mozilla.pettay.fi/moztests/pixelscrolling.mov
- 20:03:00 [smaug]
- I lost connection?
- 20:03:03 [smaug]
- are you there ?
- 20:03:25 [smaug]
- shepazu: ?
- 20:03:38 [shepazu]
- hey?
- 20:03:47 [smaug]
- can you hear me?
- 20:03:47 [shepazu]
- call back in, maybe?
- 20:03:49 [shepazu]
- no
- 20:03:50 [smaug]
- ok
- 20:05:25 [smaug]
- "The conference is restricted at this time"
- 20:05:51 [smaug]
- can't call in
- 20:06:01 [shepazu]
- sigh
- 20:06:43 [shepazu]
- maybe we should continue on email
- 20:06:49 [smaug]
- sure
- 20:06:53 [shepazu]
- and wiki
- 20:07:00 [smaug]
- but check that video, if you haven't
- 20:07:09 [smaug]
- it shows the basic problem
- 20:07:16 [smaug]
- well, one of them
- 20:07:41 [Zakim]
- -[Microsoft]
- 20:07:43 [shepazu]
- Zakim, bye
- 20:07:43 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees were Shepazu, smaug, [Microsoft]
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- Zakim has left #webapps
- 20:07:53 [shepazu]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 20:07:53 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-webapps-minutes.html shepazu