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12:24:48 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
12:24:48 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
12:24:54 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
12:24:57 <shadi> chair: Shadi
12:25:17 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008Jun/0003.html
12:25:28 <shadi> agenda+ Outstanding action items
12:25:37 <shadi> agenda+ WCAG 2.0 evaluation tools
12:26:44 <shadi> zakim, ping me in 3
12:26:44 <Zakim> ok, shadi
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12:29:45 <Zakim> shadi, you asked to be pinged at this time
12:30:04 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
12:30:08 <shadi> zakim, code?
12:30:08 <Zakim> the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
12:30:12 <Zakim> +CarlosV
12:30:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:30:27 <JohannesK> zakim, CarlosV is really JohannesK
12:30:27 <Zakim> +JohannesK; got it
12:30:28 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
12:30:28 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
12:31:56 <Zakim> +[IBM]
12:32:10 <shadi> zakim, ibm is really Mike
12:32:10 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
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12:33:54 <Zakim> +Carlos_Iglesias
12:34:07 <shadi> regrets: CarlosV
12:34:35 <shadi> scribe: CarlosI
12:34:42 <shadi> scribenick: carlosI
12:34:52 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:34:52 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Outstanding action items" taken up [from shadi]
12:37:03 <carlosI> SAZ: CV says his AI will be for the next week
12:37:15 <carlosI> CI: mine will be too
12:37:35 <carlosI> MS: would be possible to view some Pointers examples?
12:37:52 <carlosI> CI: There will be some of them in the Pointers document
12:39:32 <Zakim> -shadi
12:39:54 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
12:40:00 <shadi> zakim, ipcaller is me
12:40:00 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
12:41:32 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 2
12:41:32 <Zakim> agendum 2. "WCAG 2.0 evaluation tools" taken up [from shadi]
12:41:47 <carlosI> SAZ: CI please give yourself a deadline on next Friday and post to the list whatever you have
12:42:21 <carlosI> SAZ: WCAG 2.0 is in CR
12:42:54 <carlosI> SAZ: web sites that implement WCAG 2.0 are being evaluated
12:43:18 <carlosI> SAZ: would like to have evaluation tools for mainly two reasons
12:43:39 <carlosI> SAZ: first the can help people to implement WCAG 2.0
12:44:03 <carlosI> SAZ: second they demonstrate by themselves that the REC is testable
12:44:28 <carlosI> SAZ: we need to think how to encourage people to implement WCAG 2.0 tools
12:45:14 <carlosI> SAZ: first idea is try to classify current techniques (automatic, semiautomatic, manual...)
12:45:37 <carlosI> SAZ: would this help?
12:46:03 <carlosI> MS: where would these indications be?
12:46:22 <carlosI> SAZ: haven't thought about this
12:47:28 <carlosI> SAZ: should not be difficult to do
12:48:00 <shadi> brb
12:48:18 <carlosI> MS: will be happy to take an action for a first check on this
12:54:56 <carlosI> SAZ: would this useful?
12:55:04 <carlosI> JK: yes
12:56:17 <carlosI> SAZ: another idea is to try to collect information about tool implementations
12:57:14 <carlosI> SAZ: recollect what techniques tools implementors are implementing
12:57:58 <carlosI> MS: that would encourage more external participation
12:58:15 <carlosI> SAZ: think so
12:58:42 <carlosI> SAZ: may start a sort of competition but also may help to identify interest areas
12:59:26 <carlosI> SAZ: the difficult here is how to organize this information
12:59:58 <carlosI> SAZ: one option is try to merge it with the tools list
13:00:22 <carlosI> SAZ: other is link from the techniques document
13:01:15 <carlosI> SAZ: W3C is vendor neutral
13:01:27 <carlosI> SAZ: it does not evaluate products
13:01:51 <carlosI> SAZ: but at CR it can study implementations
13:02:36 <carlosI> SAZ: we can use test samples to see how tools behave with them
13:05:18 <carlosI> SAZ: an implementation report could include information about web sites and tools that implement a certain WCAG 2.0 feature
13:09:19 <carlosI> MS: is there any body validating the test cases?
13:09:39 <carlosI> SAZ: there's an ERT task force doing that work
13:10:59 <Zakim> -Mike
13:11:04 <Zakim> -JohannesK
13:11:06 <Zakim> -Carlos_Iglesias
13:11:07 <Zakim> -shadi
13:11:07 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:11:08 <Zakim> Attendees were JohannesK, shadi, Mike, Carlos_Iglesias
13:20:16 <shadi> zakim, bye
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13:20:24 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:20:29 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
13:20:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/18-er-minutes.html shadi
13:20:30 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:20:34 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
13:20:34 <RRSAgent> I see no action items