IRC log of xmlsec on 2008-06-17
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-xmlsec-irc
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
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- ok, trackbot; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
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- Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 17 June 2008
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- Chair: Frederick Hirsch
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- Regrets: Shivaram Mysore, Ed Simon
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0018.html
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- T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started
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- +Frederick_Hirsch
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- ScribeNick: brich
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- trackbot, start meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
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- ok, trackbot, I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM already started
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- Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 17 June 2008
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- Regrets: Juan Carols Cruelles, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0018.html
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- +rdmiller
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- Regrets: Juan Carlos Cruellas, Shivaram Mysore, Ed Simon
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- +sean
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see [IBM], Frederick_Hirsch, rdmiller, sean
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- On IRC I see tlr, jwray, brich, sean, pdatta, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, trackbot
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- zakim, [IBM] is brich
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- +brich; got it
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- -sean
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- +jwray
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- Present: Bruce Rich, Frederick Hirsch, Rob Miller, Sean Mullan, Pratik Datta, Thomas Roessler, John Wray
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0018.html
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- +sean
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- + +1.508.634.aaaa
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- zakim, call thomas-781
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- ok, tlr; the call is being made
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- +Thomas
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- zakim, drop thomas
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- Thomas is being disconnected
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- -Thomas
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- zakim, call thomas-skype
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- ok, tlr; the call is being made
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- +Thomas
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- +James_Nurthen
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- zakim, aaaa is deastlake
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- +deastlake; got it
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- zakim, James_Nurthen is pdatta
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- +pdatta; got it
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch, rdmiller, jwray, sean, deastlake, Thomas, pdatta
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- On IRC I see tlr, jwray, brich, sean, pdatta, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, trackbot
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- Present: Bruce Rich, Frederick Hirsch, Rob Miller, Sean Mullan, Pratik Datta, Thomas Roessler, John Wray, Donald Eastlake
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- +Hal_Lockhart
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- TOPIC: Adminstrative
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- Present: Bruce Rich, Frederick Hirsch, Rob Miller, Sean Mullan, Pratik Datta, Thomas Roessler, John Wray, Hal Lockhart
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- s/Adminstrative/Administrative
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- Present: Bruce Rich, Frederick Hirsch, Rob Miller, Sean Mullan, Pratik Datta, Thomas Roessler, John Wray, Hal Lockhart, Donald Eastlake
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- final meeting of this working group, new one starts with F2F in Barcelona
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- RESOLUTION: Minutes from 10 June approved
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- PROPOSAL: Minutes from this meeting will be approved as of Friday if no objections raised via email
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- zakim, mute me
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- sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
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- zakim, I am thomas
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- ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas
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- zakim, mute me
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- Thomas should now be muted
- 13:06:41 [fjh]
- upcoming wg instructions http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/42458/instructions
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- F2F for next WG planned. 16-17 July, Barcelona
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- http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Group/barcelona.html
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- Technical Plenary / Advisory Committee Meetings Week, 20 - 24 October 2008
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- XML Security scheduled Monday 20 October - Tuesday 21 October
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- Schedule: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule
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- XML Signature, Syntax and Processing (Second Edition) Published as Recommendation, 10 June 2008
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xmldsig-core-20080610/
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- Test cases published as Working Group Note, 10 June 2008
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- http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-xmldsig2ed-tests-20080610/
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- TOPIC: RFC
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- References http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0011.html
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- Bulk of work done, but RFC updates needed
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- Direct quotes from RFC 2828 need to be checked
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- additional note from Donald Eastlake http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0020.html
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- Document will be sent to list, comments welcome
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- document http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/att-0020/Xsig2-19fftoc.txt
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- Front matter and end matter are most critical for review
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- zakim, unmute me
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- Thomas should no longer be muted
- 13:14:34 [brich]
- Question: does this WG mailing list continue after formal close of group activities?
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- hopefully, it will persist for a while
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- q+
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- q-
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- q+
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- q-
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- ACTION: frederick to update XML Signature errata to reflect RFC version's reference changes
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- Created ACTION-170 - Update XML Signature errata to reflect RFC version's reference changes [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2008-06-24].
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- q+
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- action-170?
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- ACTION-170 -- Frederick Hirsch to update XML Signature errata to reflect RFC version's reference changes -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/actions/170
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- action-170?
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- ACTION-170 -- Thomas Roessler to update XML Signature errata to reflect RFC version's reference changes, based on input from Don Eastlake -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/actions/170
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- Public draft will be posted in a week or so
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- IETF Last Call will take 4 weeks or so
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- Please review and provide comment on the list in the next week
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- will continue to use current WG mail list until new WG starts
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- TOPIC: Relax NG
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- Updated version of schema provided by Norm
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- updates schema http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0011.html
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- zakim, mute me
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- Thomas should now be muted
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- Thomas will continue to work action items on this
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- TOPIC: Best Practices
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- Access control discussion
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0009.html
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- q+
- 13:25:42 [brich]
- Timetable for releasing the best practices doc will likely extend into the next group
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- not give formula in document for denial of service, give general discussion.
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- q-
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- q+
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- ack tlr
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- ack tlr
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- ack thom
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- desire to also give implementers time to work on this material
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- tlr...want to preserve clarity of communication in the document
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- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch, rdmiller, jwray, sean, deastlake, Thomas, pdatta, Hal_Lockhart
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- On IRC I see klanz2, tlr, hal, deastalk, jwray, brich, sean, pdatta, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, trackbot
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- zakim, mute me
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- Thomas should now be muted
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- +klanz2
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- Topic: Review comments on draft
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0014.html
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- advice rather than rules..
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- s/advice/sean: advice/
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- +1
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- +1
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- +1
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- q+
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- timestamp text revision http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0019.html
- 13:34:26 [tlr]
- zakim, unmute me
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- Thomas should no longer be muted
- 13:35:33 [brich]
- all drafts are currently world-readable...should this be restricted a bit"
- 13:37:02 [klanz2]
- http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-bestpractices/samples/ --> member only ?
- 13:39:39 [klanz2]
- ... google cache is your friend ;-)
- 13:39:41 [brich]
- RESOLUTION: Change the best practices directory to be member-confidential only for now
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- s/only for now/only
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- q+
- 13:42:24 [brich]
- klanz suggests tooling needs to change to render attacks less effective (e.g., XSLT, XPath DOS attacks)
- 13:43:25 [fjh]
- klanz: notes that we need to inform working groups in these other groups regarding potential security issues
- 13:44:01 [fjh]
- new wg should share security considerations with other wg
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- hal: not necessarily signature specific, more generic issues come out
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- Topic: Timestamps for Best Practices
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0019.html
- 13:46:31 [brich]
- RESOLUTION: pratik to incorporate jcc's updates, folding in sean's comments
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- TOPIC: AI review
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- action-158 still open
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- action-166 still open
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- ACTION-167 close
- 13:48:37 [tlr]
- trackbot, close ACTION-167
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- ACTION-167 Propose change to timestamp text to address requirement for trusted third parties. closed
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- -rdmiller
- 13:49:38 [brich]
- action-168 still open, will go for new tracker
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- action-169 still open
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- topic: champaign!
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- s/champaign/champagne/
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- TOPIC: AOB
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- Agenda updates for F2F are still welcome
- 13:53:14 [klanz2]
- http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=42458&public=1
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- JCC seems to have an internationalization issue here
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- -pdatta
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- -sean
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- -Hal_Lockhart
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- -deastlake
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- -jwray
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- pdatta has left #xmlsec
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- è
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- -klanz2
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- RRSAgent, make log public
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- Present: Bruce Rich, Frederick Hirsch, Rob Miller, Sean Mullan, Pratik Datta, Thomas Roessler, John Wray, Hal Lockhart, Donald Eastlake, Konrad Lanz
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- RRSAgent, generate minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh
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- -Thomas
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- -brich
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- -Frederick_Hirsch
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- T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were Frederick_Hirsch, rdmiller, sean, brich, jwray, +1.508.634.aaaa, Thomas, deastlake, pdatta, Hal_Lockhart, klanz2
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