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12:50:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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12:50:05 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
12:50:05 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 10 minutes
12:50:06 <trackbot> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
12:50:06 <trackbot> Date: 17 June 2008
12:50:22 <fjh> Chair: Frederick Hirsch
12:50:38 <fjh> Regrets: Shivaram Mysore, Ed Simon
12:51:26 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0018.html
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12:55:31 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started
12:55:38 <Zakim> +[IBM]
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12:56:29 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
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12:57:45 <brich> ScribeNick: brich
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12:58:43 <tlr> trackbot, start meeting
12:58:45 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
12:58:47 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
12:58:47 <Zakim> ok, trackbot, I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM already started
12:58:48 <trackbot> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
12:58:48 <trackbot> Date: 17 June 2008
12:58:50 <fjh>   Regrets: Juan Carols Cruelles, http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0018.html
12:59:31 <Zakim> +rdmiller
12:59:49 <fjh> Regrets: Juan Carlos Cruellas, Shivaram Mysore, Ed Simon
13:00:09 <Zakim> +sean
13:00:09 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:00:10 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IBM], Frederick_Hirsch, rdmiller, sean
13:00:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see tlr, jwray, brich, sean, pdatta, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, trackbot
13:00:25 <fjh> zakim, [IBM] is brich
13:00:25 <Zakim> +brich; got it
13:00:40 <Zakim> -sean
13:00:49 <Zakim> +jwray
13:00:57 <fjh> Present: Bruce Rich, Frederick Hirsch, Rob Miller, Sean Mullan, Pratik Datta, Thomas Roessler, John Wray
13:01:16 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0018.html
13:01:18 <Zakim> +sean
13:01:29 <Zakim> + +1.508.634.aaaa
13:01:39 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
13:01:39 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:01:41 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:01:44 <tlr> zakim, drop thomas
13:01:44 <Zakim> Thomas is being disconnected
13:01:45 <Zakim> -Thomas
13:01:46 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skype
13:01:46 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
13:01:47 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:01:54 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
13:01:56 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is deastlake
13:01:56 <Zakim> +deastlake; got it
13:02:10 <fjh> zakim, James_Nurthen is pdatta
13:02:10 <Zakim> +pdatta; got it
13:02:15 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:02:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch, rdmiller, jwray, sean, deastlake, Thomas, pdatta
13:02:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see tlr, jwray, brich, sean, pdatta, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, trackbot
13:02:35 <deastalk> deastalk has joined #xmlsec
13:02:49 <fjh> Present: Bruce Rich, Frederick Hirsch, Rob Miller, Sean Mullan, Pratik Datta, Thomas Roessler, John Wray, Donald Eastlake
13:03:03 <Zakim> +Hal_Lockhart
13:03:13 <brich> TOPIC: Adminstrative
13:03:22 <fjh> Present: Bruce Rich, Frederick Hirsch, Rob Miller, Sean Mullan, Pratik Datta, Thomas Roessler, John Wray, Hal Lockhart
13:03:34 <brich> s/Adminstrative/Administrative
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13:03:44 <fjh> Present: Bruce Rich, Frederick Hirsch, Rob Miller, Sean Mullan, Pratik Datta, Thomas Roessler, John Wray, Hal Lockhart, Donald Eastlake
13:04:31 <brich> final meeting of this working group, new one starts with F2F in Barcelona
13:04:51 <brich> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 10 June approved
13:05:55 <brich> PROPOSAL: Minutes from this meeting will be approved as of Friday if no objections raised via email
13:06:35 <tlr> zakim, mute me
13:06:35 <Zakim> sorry, tlr, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:06:39 <tlr> zakim, I am thomas
13:06:39 <Zakim> ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas
13:06:40 <tlr> zakim, mute me
13:06:40 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
13:06:41 <fjh> upcoming wg instructions http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/42458/instructions
13:06:53 <tlr> tlr has joined #xmlsec
13:07:20 <fjh> F2F for next WG planned. 16-17 July, Barcelona
13:07:30 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Group/barcelona.html
13:07:52 <fjh> Technical Plenary / Advisory Committee Meetings Week, 20 - 24 October 2008
13:08:01 <fjh> XML Security scheduled Monday 20 October - Tuesday 21 October
13:08:12 <fjh> Schedule: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule
13:08:54 <fjh> XML Signature, Syntax and Processing (Second Edition)  Published as Recommendation,  10 June 2008
13:09:01 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xmldsig-core-20080610/
13:09:10 <fjh> Test cases published as Working Group Note, 10 June 2008
13:09:19 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-xmldsig2ed-tests-20080610/
13:09:25 <brich> TOPIC: RFC
13:09:54 <fjh> References http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0011.html
13:09:59 <brich> Bulk of work done, but RFC updates needed 
13:10:38 <brich> Direct quotes from RFC 2828 need to be checked
13:10:44 <fjh> additional note from Donald Eastlake http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0020.html
13:11:53 <brich> Document will be sent to list, comments welcome
13:12:00 <fjh> document http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/att-0020/Xsig2-19fftoc.txt
13:13:36 <brich> Front matter and end matter are most critical for review
13:13:58 <tlr> zakim, unmute me
13:13:58 <Zakim> Thomas should no longer be muted
13:14:34 <brich> Question: does this WG mailing list continue after formal close of group activities?
13:15:01 <brich> hopefully, it will persist for a while
13:15:51 <tlr> q+
13:16:33 <tlr> q-
13:17:09 <tlr> q+
13:17:12 <tlr> q-
13:17:28 <tlr> ACTION: frederick to update XML Signature errata to reflect RFC version's reference changes
13:17:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-170 - Update XML Signature errata to reflect RFC version's reference changes [on Frederick Hirsch - due 2008-06-24].
13:17:30 <tlr> q+
13:18:55 <tlr> action-170?
13:18:56 <trackbot> ACTION-170 -- Frederick Hirsch to update XML Signature errata to reflect RFC version's reference changes -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN
13:18:56 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/actions/170
13:19:27 <tlr> action-170?
13:19:27 <trackbot> ACTION-170 -- Thomas Roessler to update XML Signature errata to reflect RFC version's reference changes, based on input from Don Eastlake -- due 2008-06-24 -- OPEN
13:19:27 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/actions/170
13:19:53 <brich> Public draft will be posted in a week or so
13:20:12 <brich> IETF Last Call will take 4 weeks or so
13:20:19 <fjh> Please review and provide comment on the list  in the next week
13:20:35 <fjh> will continue to use current WG mail list until new WG starts
13:20:49 <brich> TOPIC: Relax NG
13:21:11 <brich> Updated version of schema provided by Norm
13:21:17 <fjh> updates schema http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0011.html
13:23:14 <tlr> zakim, mute me
13:23:14 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
13:23:29 <brich> Thomas will continue to work action items on this
13:23:38 <brich> TOPIC: Best Practices
13:24:04 <brich> Access control discussion
13:24:17 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0009.html
13:25:28 <tlr> q+
13:25:42 <brich> Timetable for releasing the best practices doc will likely extend into the next group
13:26:53 <fjh> not give formula in document for denial of service, give general discussion. 
13:27:09 <tlr> q-
13:27:43 <tlr> q+
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13:28:47 <tlr> ack tlr
13:28:48 <fjh> ack tlr
13:28:51 <tlr> ack thom
13:29:33 <fjh> desire to also give implementers time to work on this material
13:29:37 <brich> tlr...want to preserve clarity of communication in the document
13:30:30 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:30:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see brich, Frederick_Hirsch, rdmiller, jwray, sean, deastlake, Thomas, pdatta, Hal_Lockhart
13:30:32 <Zakim> On IRC I see klanz2, tlr, hal, deastalk, jwray, brich, sean, pdatta, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, trackbot
13:30:38 <tlr> zakim, mute me
13:30:38 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
13:30:46 <Zakim> +klanz2
13:30:56 <fjh> Topic: Review comments on draft
13:31:18 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0014.html
13:31:50 <fjh> advice rather than rules..
13:32:02 <fjh> s/advice/sean: advice/
13:32:19 <klanz2> +1
13:32:20 <brich> +1
13:32:26 <fjh> +1
13:33:23 <klanz2> q+
13:33:27 <fjh> timestamp text revision http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0019.html
13:34:26 <tlr> zakim, unmute me
13:34:26 <Zakim> Thomas should no longer be muted
13:35:33 <brich> all drafts are currently world-readable...should this be restricted a bit"
13:37:02 <klanz2> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-bestpractices/samples/ --> member only ?
13:39:39 <klanz2> ... google cache is your friend ;-)
13:39:41 <brich> RESOLUTION: Change the best practices directory to be member-confidential only for now
13:40:06 <brich> s/only for now/only
13:40:53 <klanz2> q+
13:42:24 <brich> klanz suggests tooling needs to change to render attacks less effective (e.g., XSLT, XPath DOS attacks)
13:43:25 <fjh> klanz: notes that we need to inform working groups in these other groups regarding potential security issues
13:44:01 <fjh> new wg should share security considerations with other wg
13:44:14 <fjh> hal: not necessarily signature specific, more generic issues come out
13:44:47 <fjh> Topic: Timestamps for Best Practices
13:44:50 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0019.html
13:46:31 <brich> RESOLUTION: pratik to incorporate jcc's updates, folding in sean's comments
13:47:28 <brich> TOPIC: AI review
13:47:40 <brich> action-158 still open
13:47:48 <brich> action-166 still open
13:48:30 <brich> ACTION-167 close
13:48:37 <tlr> trackbot, close ACTION-167
13:48:37 <trackbot> ACTION-167 Propose change to timestamp text to address requirement for trusted third parties. closed
13:49:13 <Zakim> -rdmiller
13:49:38 <brich> action-168 still open, will go for new tracker
13:51:10 <brich> action-169 still open
13:51:51 <tlr> topic: champaign!
13:52:01 <tlr> s/champaign/champagne/
13:52:06 <brich> TOPIC: AOB
13:53:06 <brich> Agenda updates for F2F are still welcome
13:53:14 <klanz2> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=42458&public=1
13:53:27 <klanz2> JCC seems to have an internationalization issue here
13:53:28 <Zakim> -pdatta
13:53:29 <Zakim> -sean
13:53:31 <Zakim> -Hal_Lockhart
13:53:32 <Zakim> -deastlake
13:53:34 <Zakim> -jwray
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13:54:28 <klanz2> &amp;egrave;
13:55:05 <Zakim> -klanz2
13:55:46 <fjh> RRSAgent, make log public
13:56:38 <fjh> Present: Bruce Rich, Frederick Hirsch, Rob Miller, Sean Mullan, Pratik Datta, Thomas Roessler, John Wray, Hal Lockhart, Donald Eastlake, Konrad Lanz
13:56:50 <fjh> RRSAgent, generate minutes
13:56:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/17-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh
13:56:59 <Zakim> -Thomas
13:58:17 <Zakim> -brich
13:58:19 <Zakim> -Frederick_Hirsch
13:58:20 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended
13:58:21 <Zakim> Attendees were Frederick_Hirsch, rdmiller, sean, brich, jwray, +1.508.634.aaaa, Thomas, deastlake, pdatta, Hal_Lockhart, klanz2
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