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14:59:01 <Ashok> zakim, this is rdb2rdf
14:59:01 <Zakim> ok, Ashok; that matches INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM
14:59:15 <Ashok> chair: Ashok
14:59:24 <Ashok> meeting RDB2RDF
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15:02:08 <Ashok> zakim, who's on the phone?
15:02:08 <Zakim> On the phone I see Andrew_Eisenberg, +1.509.771.aaaa, ??P0, Ashok_Malhotra, ??P6
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15:08:18 <Ashok> scribenick: joebetz
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15:10:55 <Ashok> RESOLUTION:  Telcon on July 4 is cancelled
15:11:25 <joebetz> actions:
15:12:44 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:12:52 <joebetz> notes from invormal meeting at ESWC:
15:14:45 <joebetz> Integration between databases using globally unique identifiers
15:15:53 <joebetz> Can we agree on common identifiers to be used across the web?
15:16:14 <Ashok> AShok: Are the identifiers URIs?
15:16:25 <Ashok> Themis:  may not be
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15:17:29 <Ashok> Jenny Green:  This may be an output from the groups -- DB identifiers vs. RDF identifiers
15:19:47 <joebetz> Ashok:  globally unique identifiers should be URIs since this is a w3c activity
15:20:28 <joebetz> there is a sub group of which identifiers should be associated with different domains (e.g. LSIDs)
15:20:29 <Ashok> Themis:  OCCAM will create a facility to create global identifiers
15:21:27 <joebetz> Themis: Can distribute paper with general idea/architecture.
15:24:37 <joebetz> Catherine:  Discussed importance of figuring out what we are going to standardize at ESWC.
15:25:06 <joebetz> Jenny: Do we want to limit ourselves to RDF or do we want to include OWL, etc?
15:25:18 <joebetz> Ashok:  Yes, we should think about OWL.
15:25:58 <joebetz> Jenny:  Might be good to start thinking about a name (i.e not RDB2RDF)
15:26:59 <joebetz> Another potential approach,  company?
15:28:28 <joebetz> Ashok, what should we deliver?  Background:  this group will not write a standard, we can produce papers, surveys, and can recommend that W3C start a working group to standardize something.
15:28:55 <joebetz> Final report in Feb.
15:30:21 <joebetz> We should report a summary, currently this is a wiki, can we convert this?
15:31:26 <joebetz> Orri:  submit this as a report
15:31:48 <joebetz> Orri:  take wiki and convert this to a paper, all members add to it
15:32:56 <joebetz> Orri: submit this to conf, what was the name?
15:33:47 <joebetz> Orri: Generate more interest, create more discussions if we submit.
15:35:20 <joebetz> Ashok: we should at least write the outlines of a working group charter?
15:36:50 <joebetz> Ashok:  we can do this in two directions, we can start w/ schema and write RDF.  We can also start with ontology that does not precisely match data.
15:38:08 <joebetz> Jenny:  Might be best to start with saying what needs to be in the mapping rather than recommending a language.
15:39:39 <joebetz> Jenny:  Start with requirements,  and decide best approach from requirements.
15:40:35 <joebetz> Ashok: approach should both directions:  RDB->RDF/OWL,  OWL->Mapping,  and we should work from requirements?  Agreed.
15:43:02 <joebetz> Ashok:  Update logs might be useful, but there is no sparql update language now.  Ideas out there are Andy's Sparql/Update, there is another.  Is update something we should examine?
15:43:30 <joebetz> Keeping search indexes up-to-date, for example, would benefit from update notifications.
15:44:36 <joebetz> (above is Soren)
15:45:09 <joebetz> Soren:  Has idea of what updates might look like.
15:46:06 <joebetz> Update notifications are not specific to RDB or mapping.
15:47:20 <joebetz> Andrew: Should be careful to keep group focused.  While update logs are useful we might recommend for different working group to stay focused.
15:49:07 <joebetz> Ashok:  Topic:   Translating SPARQL to SQL.   If data is in database, translate SPARQ to SQL.  Should we standardize?
15:50:09 <joebetz> Ashok:  Standardize the algorithm that is.  Concensus seems to be no.
15:51:34 <joebetz> Andrew:  Groups can produce artifacts as well, we could produce an applet or open source code to demonstrate translation.
15:52:09 <joebetz> Andrew: Would be specific to mapping the group produces.
15:52:49 <joebetz> Jenny:  We may not always not want to map to SQL.
15:54:26 <joebetz> Jenny:  Services or other intermediate layers might be between DB and SPARQL, might not want to target SQL specifically.
15:55:26 <joebetz> Ashok: Will send out summary, request comments
15:57:35 <joebetz> Ashok:  Presentation next week:  RDB to ontology
15:58:30 <joebetz> Ashok:  Think about how we get started?  Volunteers are welcome to take on topics.
15:58:47 <joebetz> Orri:  Try to prepare wiki page
15:59:19 <joebetz> Linked data planet next tues, weds, Attendees want to meet?
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16:00:08 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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16:00:09 <Zakim> -??P0
16:00:10 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
16:00:10 <Zakim> - +1.509.771.aaaa
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16:00:14 <Zakim> -Andrew_Eisenberg
16:00:16 <Zakim> INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM has ended
16:00:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Andrew_Eisenberg, +1.509.771.aaaa, Ashok_Malhotra, +1.408.285.aabb, +1.857.362.aacc, +039320463aadd, [Microsoft]
16:00:24 <Ashok> zakim, list attendees
16:00:24 <Zakim> sorry, Ashok, I don't know what conference this is
16:00:38 <AndrewE> zakim, list participants
16:00:38 <Zakim> sorry, AndrewE, I don't know what conference this is
16:00:48 <Ashok> rrsagent, make logs public
16:01:10 <Ashok> rrsagent, create minutes
16:01:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/13-RDB2RDF-minutes.html Ashok