IRC log of ua on 2008-06-12

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17:26:51 [AllanJ]

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17:27:04 [AllanJ]

zakim, this will be wai_u

17:27:04 [Zakim]

ok, AllanJ; I see WAI_UAWG()2:00PM scheduled to start in 33 minutes

17:38:49 [AllanJ]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0131.html

17:39:59 [AllanJ]

Chair: Jim Allan

17:40:15 [AllanJ]

Title: UAWG call

17:57:55 [jeanne]

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zakim, code?

17:59:21 [Zakim]

the conference code is 82941 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), jeanne

17:59:38 [Zakim]

WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has now started

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+jeanne

18:00:25 [jeanne]

agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0131.html

18:01:15 [jeanne]

agenda+ Regrets, agenda requests, or comments to the list

18:01:33 [jeanne]

Agenda + choose a scribe

18:01:49 [jeanne]

agenda + Surveys: Printing and UAAG and @alt

18:02:16 [jeanne]

AllanJ or Jim, am I on the wrong call?

18:03:05 [Zakim]

+AllanJ

18:03:15 [jeanne]

agenda+ Keyboard access controls visibility.

18:04:21 [jeanne]

agenda + Summer Schedule for Meetings

18:04:40 [jeanne]

regrets: Jan Richards, Simon Harper

18:06:25 [Zakim]

+[Microsoft]

18:07:09 [jeanne]

zakim, [Microsoft] is Kelly Ford

18:07:09 [Zakim]

I don't understand '[Microsoft] is Kelly Ford', jeanne

18:07:41 [jeanne]

zakim, [Microsoft] is Kelly

18:07:41 [Zakim]

+Kelly; got it

18:09:51 [jeanne]

next agenda

18:11:19 [jeanne]

JA: we were expecting Alan Cantor this week.

18:12:49 [Zakim]

+Judy

18:13:44 [jeanne]

scribe: jeanne

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18:14:08 [jeanne]

next agenda

18:14:11 [judy]

zakim, who's here?

18:14:11 [Zakim]

On the phone I see jeanne, AllanJ, Kelly, Judy

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On IRC I see judy, jeanne, RRSAgent, Zakim, AllanJ

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18:14:32 [jeanne]

next item

18:14:38 [jeanne]

close agenda 2

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next item

18:17:10 [jeanne]

http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/36791/UAAG20080611/results

18:18:02 [AllanJ]

Jim suggests preamble: A User Agent's purpose is to present author supplied content (including alternative content) written in a markup language to a user in a human readable form.

18:19:38 [jeanne]

KF: Wording is consistent with the rest of documents.

18:20:33 [AllanJ]

JS: makes sense, is needed

18:25:38 [jeanne]

Resolved: Accept the Jan phrasing with the addition proposed by JA above.

18:27:04 [jeanne]

next item

18:27:44 [jeanne]

open agenda item 3

18:28:24 [jeanne]

resolved: accept language for printing to the working draft

18:30:47 [jeanne]

JA: reviewed keyboard proposal history, there is a proposal that was written on keyboard

18:31:15 [Zakim]

-jeanne

18:32:38 [AllanJ]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0042.html

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18:33:15 [AllanJ]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008AprJun/0042.html

18:37:05 [jeanne]

JS: This proposal doesn't include the items we discussed last week: exposing the keyboard shortcuts, allowing users to remap shortcuts, shortcuts are persistent from session to session, remapped shortcuts can be imported and exported.

18:37:39 [jeanne]

JB: There should not be an assumption that keyboard users are using assistive technology

18:38:47 [jeanne]

KF: The discussion back in April, was JB satisfied with the technique used Office 2007 ribbon?

18:39:39 [jeanne]

JB: the way that Microsoft was doing the visual indicators was good.

18:40:12 [jeanne]

KF: We need to find the right language to guide people to the behavior that we want.

18:40:43 [jeanne]

JB: Is this 4.1.1 supposed to include the visual indicator issues?

18:40:50 [jeanne]

JA: No.

18:41:23 [jeanne]

JB: So does 4.1.1 do what it should?

18:41:44 [jeanne]

JA: The keyboard can be used for everything except drawing.

18:42:10 [jeanne]

resolved: the wording of 4.1.1 will be put into the draft

18:42:30 [jeanne]

JB: What's the status on the language for visual indicators

18:42:32 [AllanJ]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JanMar/0052.html

18:44:33 [jeanne]

JA: All the words with asterisks are supposed to be defined in the glossary.

18:45:47 [AllanJ]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-ua/2008JanMar/0078.html

18:46:36 [jeanne]

Above link is a list of keyboard commands and definitions

18:46:44 [Zakim]

-AllanJ

18:47:14 [Zakim]

+AllanJ

18:47:53 [jeanne]

JB: There are a lot of links in the agenda mail.

18:48:02 [jeanne]

JA: These are the same links.

18:48:48 [jeanne]

KF: Propose that we revisit the whole keyboard section in order to insure quality.

18:49:26 [jeanne]

KF: Collect all the information, put it up on the list, and have people commit to reading it so we can have a meaningful discussion.

18:50:07 [jeanne]

JB: Can someone make a new proposal for next week? I will commit to commenting on-line.

18:50:17 [jeanne]

...Or we can discuss it the following week.

18:51:09 [jeanne]

KF: Can commit to delivering it to the meeting on the 26th.

18:51:31 [jeanne]

JA: Not available for 3 weeks for vacation.

18:51:57 [jeanne]

JB: Participation is down, and this is an issue that has generated interest in the past.

18:53:17 [jeanne]

JB: more discussion on the list will result in increased quality of the language.

18:54:09 [jeanne]

ACTION: jeanne will write a proposal, review it with Judy, and circulate it to the list.

18:54:40 [jeanne]

s/proposal,/proposal for keyboard,

18:55:29 [jeanne]

JA: will miss Jun 19, 26, and Jul 3rd meetings.

18:56:14 [jeanne]

JB: Do we have any other major issues?

18:56:25 [jeanne]

JA: Video and DOM issues

18:56:50 [jeanne]

JB: In the CG meeting it was discussed that the DOM issue was timely.

18:57:28 [jeanne]

JB: Will follow up with Rod Sinclair of AIA on contributing. He is a liaison between AIA and W3C.

18:58:02 [jeanne]

ACTION: Judy will follow-up with Rod Sinclair of AIA.

18:59:08 [jeanne]

JA: We want some contribution of expertise from the ARIA group. How the javascript writes to the DOM and repair.

18:59:57 [jeanne]

JB: Let's skip next week, as both JA and JB are unavailable. That gives time to make a focused proposal for keyboard shortcuts.

19:00:48 [jeanne]

...then we can work on keyboard shortcuts on the next meeting.

19:01:00 [jeanne]

JB: Have to finalize the charter.

19:01:15 [jeanne]

JB: Harmonization of glossary with ATAG.

19:01:29 [jeanne]

JB: Test Suite

19:03:42 [jeanne]

KF: What do we have to do to update the dates on the new charter?

19:04:04 [jeanne]

JB: It is helpful to have an up-to-date forward view of timeline.

19:04:35 [jeanne]

...they can be adjusted as they go forward, but it should strive to be accurate.

19:05:16 [jeanne]

...Once it is done in the WG, then they are sent to W3M for review, then it goes to ??? for a month of review.

19:05:30 [KFord]

can we put a link to our current charter in the meeting notes?

19:05:57 [jeanne]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/UA/2008/draft_uawg_charter_25apr08.html

19:06:50 [jeanne]

JB: JS will work on the proposal for keyboard language. JA will assist.

19:07:54 [jeanne]

JB is reviewing the charter information and will be giving feedback next week.

19:08:16 [jeanne]

JA will be available until Thursday 19th.

19:09:26 [jeanne]

JB: no meeting on 19. 26th meeting will have discussion on Keyboard proposal. Proposal is placed on the list no later than 23.

19:10:07 [jeanne]

... tentative meeting on 3. Finish the entire keyboard discussion on July 10.

19:10:22 [jeanne]

... will run by the Access Board.

19:10:50 [jeanne]

... the DOM discussion is more timely than video. We should restart discussion on that in parallel.

19:11:06 [jeanne]

Start it on July 10 with material prepared before the meeting.

19:11:13 [jeanne]

Jim is back on the 7th.

19:11:38 [jeanne]

JB: There is still recruitment we need to do before that. The video isn't as timely.

19:11:59 [jeanne]

JA: We got all the input we needed on video. We did a lot of work on it already.

19:12:45 [jeanne]

JB: Keyboard issues will be primary on the agenda until it is complete. We can have video as a secondary issue.

19:12:59 [jeanne]

...then we can focus on DOM.

19:13:14 [jeanne]

JA: Should we be working on TEchniques?

19:13:49 [jeanne]

JB: We need to look at all the deliverables, techniques, test suite, etc, and prioritize.

19:14:31 [jeanne]

KF: Propose that by July 24 we have a clear list of all the work that needs to be accomplished and the dates in which they should be delivered.

19:15:49 [jeanne]

JB: the charter doesn't list all the other deliverables that we are responsible for.

19:18:13 [jeanne]

...look at SCope: Test Materials should be called "Test Suite". It needs to be in the Milestones.

19:19:38 [Zakim]

-Kelly

19:20:43 [jeanne]

ADJOURNED

19:22:02 [jeanne]

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-ua-minutes.html jeanne

19:22:31 [jeanne]

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19:28:51 [jeanne]

s/AllanJ or Jim, am I on the wrong call?/

19:35:34 [jeanne]

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-ua-minutes.html jeanne

19:47:07 [Zakim]

-AllanJ

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-Judy

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WAI_UAWG()2:00PM has ended

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Attendees were jeanne, AllanJ, Kelly, Judy

19:53:30 [jeanne]

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-ua-minutes.html jeanne

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