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15:02:35 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
15:02:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.763.767.aaaa
15:02:37 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, Steven, msporny, ShaneM
15:02:44 <ShaneM> zakim, aaaa is ShaneM
15:02:44 <Zakim> +ShaneM; got it
15:03:26 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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15:03:34 <msporny> zakim, I am +[IPcaller]
15:03:38 <Zakim> sorry, msporny, I do not see a party named '+[IPcaller]'
15:03:53 <msporny> zakim, I am IPcaller
15:03:53 <Zakim> ok, msporny, I now associate you with [IPcaller]
15:04:02 <Zakim> +Ben_Adida
15:04:56 <msporny> Scribe: Manu Sporny
15:05:04 <msporny> ScribeNick: msporny
15:05:16 <msporny> Meeting: RDF in XHTML Task Force
15:05:24 <msporny> Chair: Ben Adida
15:05:25 <RalphS> RalphS has joined #rdfa
15:05:36 <msporny> rrsagent, make log public
15:05:48 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:05:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-rdfa-minutes.html msporny
15:05:58 <Zakim> +Ralph
15:06:52 <msporny> Regrets: Mark Birbeck, Michael Hausenblas
15:07:51 <RalphS> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Jun/0065.html
15:07:52 <msporny> ShaneM: Quick update on Modularization
15:07:59 <RalphS> Topic: XHTML Modularization
15:08:06 <msporny> ShaneM: should go to PR today
15:08:20 <msporny> ShaneM: Modularization 1.1 includes a schema implementation, we shouldn't change our doc yet.
15:08:36 <msporny> ShaneM: We should announce this on rdfa.info
15:09:38 <benadida> Regrets: Mark, Michael
15:09:48 <msporny> Topic: Action Items
15:10:24 <RalphS> [DONE] ACTION: Manu complete test suite [by Thursday 12 June] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action07]
15:10:52 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes previous 2008-06-05
15:11:03 <msporny> ACTION: Mark to tweak paragraph 3.9 of the spec on fragments. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]
15:11:06 <msporny> -- DONE
15:11:14 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph confirm whether LGPL is ok with W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action03]
15:11:16 <msporny> -- CONTINUES
15:12:12 <msporny> ACTION: Ralph to help Ben with Last Call Comment report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action08]
15:12:20 <msporny> -- CONTINUES
15:12:33 <msporny> ACTION: Shane produce a CR-ready draft for SWD and XHTML2 WGs to approve [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]
15:12:38 <msporny> -- DONE
15:13:06 <msporny> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]
15:13:12 <msporny> -- CONTINUES
15:13:19 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action10]
15:13:24 <msporny> -- CONTINUES
15:13:29 <msporny> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
15:13:34 <msporny> -- CONTINUES
15:13:40 <msporny> ACTION: Manu to determine which useless-triples test cases to remove and which to add. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]
15:13:43 <msporny> -- CONTINUES
15:13:48 <msporny> -- DONE
15:14:05 <msporny> Topic: Test Cases
15:14:25 <msporny> http://rdfa.digitalbazaar.com/rdfa-test-harness/
15:14:27 <RalphS> scribenick: RalphS
15:15:03 <RalphS> Manu: test 107, 108, and 109 were already in the suite but hadn't been committed
15:15:11 <RalphS> ... so I sent duplicate numbers in recent email
15:15:23 <RalphS> -- Test #107: no garbage collecting bnodes 
15:15:57 <RalphS> Manu: 107, 108, 109, 110, and 111 all pass 3 of the implementations
15:16:24 <RalphS> .. 107 sets up the multiple bnode [not] garbage collecting
15:16:46 <RalphS> ... 107 checks that there is no bnode created by this hanging @rel
15:17:09 <ShaneM> Seems fine
15:17:32 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 107 accepted
15:17:49 <RalphS> -- Test #108: plain literal with datatype="" and xml:lang preservation
15:17:59 <RalphS> Manu: I believe we had accepted this but I could not find a record
15:18:16 <RalphS> ... 108 tests that lang is preserved
15:18:50 <RalphS> ... we had previously decided not to test whitespace preservation
15:19:01 <RalphS> ... but this test does also include whitespace preservation
15:19:08 <RalphS> ... I don't think it hurts
15:19:29 <RalphS> Ralph: we should not change it to the alternative; collapsed whitespace
15:19:35 <RalphS> Manu: also uses UTF-8 string
15:20:01 <RalphS> Shane: I noted that the N-triples spec requires escaping of Unicode
15:20:16 <RalphS> Ben: N-triples and N3 are parsed differently
15:21:25 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 108 accepted
15:21:39 <RalphS> -- Test #109: Tests to ensure @xml:base is ignored
15:21:50 <RalphS> Manu: 109 was on hold because it's not valid XHTML
15:22:04 <RalphS> ... because it uses xml:base
15:22:11 <RalphS> ... it is well-formed, however
15:22:28 <RalphS> Ben: I think it's OK to have a test like this; people will add non-XHTML attributes
15:23:08 <RalphS> Ralph: can we move the comment to preceed HEAD?
15:23:11 <ShaneM> looks fine
15:23:38 <RalphS> Ralph: forget it; the comment is in the right place
15:23:48 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 109 accepted
15:24:17 <RalphS> -- Test #110: bNode generated even though no nested @about exists 
15:24:31 <RalphS> Manu: inner DIV causes the object for the containing DIV to be completed with a bnode
15:24:42 <RalphS> ... we're testing that only one bnode is generated
15:25:06 <RalphS> Ben: is there no way to test that a second triple is absent?
15:25:26 <RalphS> ... I don't really think we need to add such a test; 107 is sufficient
15:26:08 <RalphS> Manu: we've stated no extra triples should be generated in the default graph but the tests will pass if there are extra triples
15:26:13 <RalphS> Ben: except for the negative tests
15:26:21 <ShaneM> +1
15:26:23 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 110 accepted
15:26:45 <RalphS> -- Test #111: two bNodes generated after three levels of nesting
15:27:04 <RalphS> Manu: 111 is another like 110; here, we do generate 2 related bnodes
15:27:27 <ShaneM> +1
15:27:43 <RalphS> RESOLVED: test 111 accepted
15:27:47 <ShaneM> and XHTML M12N PR is up!
15:27:53 <RalphS> -- Test @@
15:27:55 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/OLD_0107.xhtml
15:28:08 <msporny> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/OLD_0107.sparql
15:28:09 <RalphS> Manu: rename this to test 112
15:28:41 <RalphS> ... like 108 but doesn't use Greek
15:29:14 <RalphS> RESOLVED: (new) test 112 accepted
15:29:20 <ShaneM> huzzah!
15:31:59 <msporny> ScribeNick: msporny
15:32:00 <RalphS> Ralph: can we host the test harness on w3.org now or is that going to be too inconvenient for you, Manu?
15:32:10 <RalphS> scribenick: ralphs
15:32:15 <msporny> :)
15:32:21 <RalphS> Manu: should be ok to move now.  I'll make you some instructions
15:32:25 <RalphS> ... only uses python
15:32:55 <RalphS> Ralph: ok.  If it's easy, I think we should host it at w3.org just to deflect possible questions
15:33:05 <RalphS> scribenick: msporny
15:34:37 <RalphS> Topic: Disposition of Comments
15:34:47 <RalphS> -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/last-call-issues RDFa in XHTML 1.1 Last Call Disposition of Comments
15:35:12 <msporny> benadida: This URL is an XSLT of the datadump
15:35:27 <msporny> benadida: I'll have to go through and clean it up
15:35:53 <msporny> benadida: all issues are closed
15:35:59 <msporny> benadida: Except for TimBL's comments.
15:36:07 <msporny> benadida: everyone has responded positively
15:36:08 <ShaneM> nice.
15:36:26 <msporny> benadida: Is this pretty much done Ralph?
15:36:40 <msporny> RalphS: More or less.
15:36:46 <msporny> benadida: It'll be cleaned up, ofcourse.
15:37:20 <ShaneM> fwiw the xhtml 2 working group doesn't ever clean up the data
15:37:38 <ShaneM> we just put in a caveat that the issues might have typos and they belong to the submitters
15:37:49 <msporny> benadida: Is it important to see what the commenter said and whether we agree with it or not?
15:38:04 <msporny> RalphS: we need to record that somehow, yes.
15:38:44 <msporny> benadida: We should make it contain RDFa.
15:38:54 <ShaneM> about="tracker issue URI"
15:39:02 <msporny> benadida: What's the process for scheduling with Steve?
15:39:04 <ShaneM> has the SWD approved the CR transition
15:39:10 <msporny> RalphS: I'll notify him.
15:39:25 <msporny> benadida: This should be done by Monday night.
15:39:35 <benadida> http://ben.adida.net/busy/
15:39:36 <ShaneM> s/Monday/Sunday/
15:40:32 <msporny> RalphS: hopefully we'll hear back from Tim before then.
15:41:04 <msporny> RalphS: Is the primer completely done?
15:41:10 <msporny> benadida: It didn't get voted on did it?
15:41:13 <msporny> RalphS: It did get voted on.
15:41:21 <msporny> benadida: I would like to do one last pass for typos.
15:41:28 <msporny> RalphS: Typos shouldn't be an issue.
15:41:36 <msporny> benadida: Nothing significant is going to change.
15:41:41 <Steven> regrets+Steven
15:41:41 <msporny> RalphS: We don't need it for the transition call.
15:41:51 <msporny> RalphS: We're trying to get both documents in the publication request.
15:41:58 <msporny> benadida: I'll make a pass by Mon/Tues at the latest.
15:42:06 <Zakim> -ShaneM
15:42:07 <Zakim> -Ben_Adida
15:42:08 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
15:42:08 <Zakim> -Ralph
15:42:10 <Zakim> SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended
15:42:11 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.763.767.aaaa, ShaneM, [IPcaller], Ben_Adida, Ralph
15:42:32 <msporny> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:42:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-rdfa-minutes.html msporny
15:44:25 <msporny> If you want and have the time.
15:44:33 <msporny> I can clean them up if you're pressed for time.
15:44:52 <msporny> alrighty, sounds good... I'll leave that to you, then :)
15:45:02 <msporny> thanks Ralph :)
15:45:06 <RalphS> just as easy for me to do it as to copy it back from you :)
15:45:11 <msporny> heh
15:45:11 <RalphS> thanks to you!
15:45:19 <RalphS> rrsagent, bye
15:45:19 <RRSAgent> I see 8 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-rdfa-actions.rdf :
15:45:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Mark to tweak paragraph 3.9 of the spec on fragments. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [1]
15:45:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-rdfa-irc#T15-11-03
15:45:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph confirm whether LGPL is ok with W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action03] [2]
15:45:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-rdfa-irc#T15-11-14
15:45:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ralph to help Ben with Last Call Comment report [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action08] [3]
15:45:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-rdfa-irc#T15-12-12
15:45:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shane produce a CR-ready draft for SWD and XHTML2 WGs to approve [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [4]
15:45:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-rdfa-irc#T15-12-33
15:45:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [5]
15:45:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-rdfa-irc#T15-13-06
15:45:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action10] [6]
15:45:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-rdfa-irc#T15-13-19
15:45:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [7]
15:45:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-rdfa-irc#T15-13-29
15:45:19 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Manu to determine which useless-triples test cases to remove and which to add. [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [8]
15:45:19 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-rdfa-irc#T15-13-40
15:45:24 <msporny> have a good weekend!