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14:34:25 <mscottm> Susie is the defacto uber chair. :)
14:34:27 <ericP> Meeting: HCLS
14:34:34 <ericP> scribenick: ericP
14:34:57 <ericP> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:34:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-hcls-minutes.html ericP
14:35:06 <ericP> RRSAgent, make log world-visible
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14:57:30 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
14:57:30 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:57:31 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has now started
14:57:32 <Zakim> +EricP
14:58:05 <Zakim> -EricP
14:58:06 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
14:58:06 <Zakim> Attendees were EricP
14:58:10 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
14:58:10 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:58:11 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has now started
14:58:14 <Zakim> +EricP
14:58:45 <Zakim> -EricP
14:58:46 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
14:58:46 <Zakim> Attendees were EricP
14:58:55 <chimezie> chimezie has joined #hcls
14:59:04 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?
14:59:04 <Zakim> the conference code is 8487 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
14:59:07 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
14:59:07 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:59:08 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has now started
14:59:10 <Zakim> +EricP
14:59:33 <ewu> ewu has joined #HCLS
14:59:44 <Zakim> -EricP
14:59:45 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
14:59:45 <Zakim> Attendees were EricP
14:59:48 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has now started
14:59:56 <Zakim> + +1.216.445.aaaa
15:00:00 <Zakim> +Susie
15:00:04 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
15:00:04 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
15:00:07 <Zakim> +EricP
15:00:14 <mt> mt has joined #hcls
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15:00:42 <Zakim> -EricP
15:00:50 <chimezie> Zakim, 445.aaaa is chimezie
15:00:50 <Zakim> sorry, chimezie, I do not recognize a party named '445.aaaa'
15:02:16 <Zakim> -Susie
15:02:18 <Zakim> - +1.216.445.aaaa
15:02:18 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has ended
15:02:19 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.216.445.aaaa, Susie, EricP
15:02:26 <chimezie> dial the other code, now?
15:02:35 <ericP> jsut a moment
15:02:37 <chimezie> okay
15:02:39 <kei> kei has joined #HCLS
15:03:45 <ericP> try again, folks
15:04:16 <andreasplendiani> this pass code is not valid
15:04:28 <Zakim> SW_HCLS()11:00AM has now started
15:04:29 <michel> michel has joined #HCLS
15:04:29 <Zakim> +Kei_Cheung
15:04:32 <Zakim> + +1.216.445.aaaa
15:04:33 <kidehen_> kidehen_ has joined #HCLS
15:04:33 <Zakim> - +1.216.445.aaaa
15:04:33 <Zakim> + +1.216.445.aaaa
15:04:38 <Zakim> +Susie
15:04:40 <Zakim> + +1.857.362.aabb
15:04:46 <Zakim> + +1.617.947.aacc
15:04:51 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:04:54 <ericP> whcih code did you use?
15:04:57 <Zakim> +??P3
15:04:58 <Zakim> + +1.503.723.aadd
15:05:05 <kidehen_> chimezie:  I am having dial-in issues :-(  What's the passcode?
15:05:08 <Susie>  The passcode is 4257
15:05:11 <Zakim> +EricP
15:05:25 <kidehen_> chimezie:  I had 4257#
15:05:25 <Zakim> + +1.212.217.aaee
15:05:26 <chimezie> Zakim, akid
15:05:26 <Zakim> I don't understand 'akid', chimezie
15:05:29 <chimezie> Zakim, passcode?
15:05:29 <Zakim> the conference code is 4257 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), chimezie
15:05:34 <Zakim> + +1.781.316.aaff
15:05:36 <matthiassamwald> Zakim, +??P3 is matthiassamwald
15:05:36 <Zakim> sorry, matthiassamwald, I do not recognize a party named '+??P3'
15:05:38 <chimezie> kidehen_: the passcode is 4257
15:05:45 <Zakim> + +1.919.541.aagg
15:05:53 <Zakim> +??P16
15:05:55 <Zakim> + +1.202.872.aahh
15:06:00 <chimezie> that should work as of now, there was a mixup with the cod e ealier
15:06:09 <Zakim> + +29928aaii
15:06:19 <Zakim> +Elizabeth
15:06:19 <ericP> Zakim, agenda?
15:06:21 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda:
15:06:22 <Zakim> 1. roll call [from ericP]
15:06:23 <Zakim> 2. Introduction to Co-chairs and Team contact - Chime, Scott, Susie [from ericP]
15:06:26 <Zakim> 3. Group Structure - Scott [from ericP]
15:06:27 <Zakim> 4. Collaboration Framework - Eric [from ericP]
15:06:28 <Zakim> 5. Participation Expectations - Susie [from ericP]
15:06:30 <Zakim> 6. Charter Overview - Chime [from ericP]
15:06:31 <Zakim> 7. Proposed Projects - Chime, Scott, Susie [from ericP]
15:06:32 <Zakim> 8. Q&A [from ericP]
15:06:32 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aajj
15:06:32 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:06:33 <holger_stenzhorn> holger_stenzhorn has joined #hcls
15:06:34 <Zakim> + +1.781.273.aakk
15:06:36 <Zakim> -??P3
15:06:42 <Zakim> + +03120525aall
15:06:54 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
15:06:54 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kei_Cheung, +1.216.445.aaaa, Susie, +1.857.362.aabb, +1.617.947.aacc, [IPcaller], +1.503.723.aadd, EricP, +1.212.217.aaee, +1.781.316.aaff, +1.919.541.aagg,
15:06:58 <Zakim> ... ??P16, +1.202.872.aahh, +29928aaii (muted), Elizabeth, +1.518.276.aajj, +1.781.273.aakk, [Microsoft], +03120525aall
15:07:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see holger_stenzhorn, kidehen_, michel, kei, matthiassamwald, mt, ewu, chimezie, Susie, Huajun, marco, RRSAgent, mscottm, andreasplendiani, Zakim, ericP
15:07:13 <Zakim> +??P37
15:07:18 <andreasplendiani> zakim, +2992.aaii is andreasplendiani
15:07:18 <Zakim> sorry, andreasplendiani, I do not recognize a party named '+2992.aaii'
15:07:27 <holger_stenzhorn> Zakim, ??P37 is holger_stenzhorn
15:07:27 <Zakim> +holger_stenzhorn; got it
15:07:30 <mscottm> Zakim, +03120525aall is mscottm
15:07:30 <Zakim> +mscottm; got it
15:07:32 <Zakim> +??P3
15:07:43 <matthiassamwald> Zakim, ??P3 is matthiassamwald
15:07:43 <Zakim> +matthiassamwald; got it
15:08:03 <Helen> Helen has joined #hcls
15:08:04 <mscottm> Zakim, +03120525aall is marco
15:08:04 <Zakim> sorry, mscottm, I do not recognize a party named '+03120525aall'
15:08:07 <chimezie> zekim, +445.aaa is chimezie ds
15:08:24 <mscottm> zakim, mscottm is marco
15:08:24 <Zakim> +marco; got it
15:08:28 <chimezie> Zakim, +445.aaaa is chimezie
15:08:28 <Zakim> sorry, chimezie, I do not recognize a party named '+445.aaaa'
15:08:31 <Zakim> + +46.4.67.7.aamm
15:08:33 <matthiassamwald> zakim, mute
15:08:33 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mute', matthiassamwald
15:08:37 <Helen> Hi, everyone, I am in another meeting now, but will dial in as soon as possible
15:08:40 <mt> zakim, mt is Mike Travers
15:08:40 <Zakim> I don't understand 'mt is Mike Travers', mt
15:08:41 <Huajun> Zakim, [IPCaller] is Huajun
15:08:41 <Zakim> +Huajun; got it
15:08:45 <chimezie> hey Helen
15:08:57 <Helen> Hi, Chime
15:09:03 <Zakim> +??P41
15:10:03 <andreasplendiani> zakim, +29928aai is andreasplendiani
15:10:03 <Zakim> +andreasplendiani; got it
15:10:17 <Zakim> + +1.925.944.aann
15:10:19 <matthiassamwald> IF YOU ARE TYPING ON YOUR KEYBOARD, MUTE YOUR PHONE. (thanks)
15:10:27 <ericP> Susie: principal research scientist at Eli Lilly
15:10:40 <ericP> ... involved in RDF since 2002
15:10:49 <ericP> ... chaired BioRDF
15:10:56 <Zakim> +??P43
15:11:10 <dingl> dingl has joined #hcls
15:11:10 <michel> zakim, +??P43 is michel
15:11:10 <Zakim> sorry, michel, I do not recognize a party named '+??P43'
15:11:13 <ericP> chimezie: lead architect on SemanticDB at Cleveland Clinic
15:11:36 <Zakim> -matthiassamwald
15:11:43 <matthiassamwald> zakim, ??P43 is michel
15:11:43 <Zakim> +michel; got it
15:11:49 <ericP> mscottm: postdoc researcher at Univ AMS
15:11:59 <michel> thanks
15:12:06 <Zakim> +??P18
15:12:17 <ericP> ... work with lab for E-Science on knowledge management/capture
15:12:23 <Zakim> +??P44
15:12:26 <ericP> ... involted with semweb
15:12:28 <Zakim> +??P3
15:12:32 <chimezie> Zakim, +1.216.445.aaaa is chimezie
15:12:32 <Zakim> +chimezie; got it
15:12:46 <Zakim> + +1.781.839.aaoo
15:12:53 <ericP> ... compsci background, who has worked with biologists for a while
15:13:27 <Susie> Eric Prud'hommeaux sem web since 98, and team contact at W3C
15:13:38 <Susie> Happy to help with questions
15:14:23 <ericP> Susie: encourage folks to post their intros on a wiki page
15:14:29 <ericP> Zakim, take up anendum 2
15:14:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take up anendum 2', ericP
15:14:33 <ericP> Zakim, take up agendum 2
15:14:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Introduction to Co-chairs and Team contact - Chime, Scott, Susie" taken up [from ericP]
15:14:34 <mscottm> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG
15:14:40 <ericP> Zakim, take up agendum 3
15:14:40 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Group Structure - Scott" taken up [from ericP]
15:14:58 <eneumann> eneumann has joined #hcls
15:15:05 <Susie> Please post introductions at: http://esw.w3.org/topic/Introductions
15:15:12 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG HCLS Wiki Home Page
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15:15:31 <ericP> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/Introductions Wiki HCLS introductions
15:16:06 <ericP> mscottm: in 2002 there was a big meeting where people aired what they wanted out of the SemWeb in the areas of health care and life sciences
15:16:56 <mscottm> http://www.w3.org/TR/hcls-kb/
15:17:06 <ericP> ... an ambitious group, focused on data integration in health care, life science, biological modeling, tranlsational medicine
15:17:19 <Zakim> -holger_stenzhorn
15:17:36 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/hcls-kb/ integration of many data sources to answer scientific queries
15:17:53 <ericP> mscottm: crosses many databases
15:17:59 <Zakim> + +1.909.287.aapp
15:18:38 <dingl> some echo
15:18:51 <ericP> Zakim, please mute +1.909.287.aapp
15:18:51 <Zakim> +1.909.287.aapp should now be muted
15:19:03 <ericP> mscottm: first incarnation of the group started several task forces around areas of work
15:19:19 <ericP> ... in this incarnation, we expect to have several projects with weekly calls
15:19:54 <ericP> ... continuing from last charter, we have BioRDF task force and Clinical Observations Interoperability
15:21:05 <ericP> ... would like to gather project descriptions
15:21:10 <Zakim> +??P48
15:23:28 <ericP> ... face to face meeting: 20-21Oct during the W3C Technical Plenary
15:23:32 <mscottm> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule.html
15:23:55 <ericP> -
15:24:14 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule TPAC Schedule
15:24:47 <Zakim> - +1.909.287.aapp
15:24:50 <ericP> mscottm: meeting is in Mandelieu
15:25:44 <ericP> ericP: How do you manage a phone call with 40 or 50 people? We use IRC and some derivative of Robert's Rules of Order.
15:25:54 <ericP> ... we have a web-based IRC client which is available to Members and Invited Experts (more later)
15:25:57 <eneumann> Anyone except Susie from pharma on this call?
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15:26:35 <mscottm> Therese Vachon from Novartis might show up when another TC is done.
15:26:38 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:26:41 <ericP> q+ to say something clever
15:26:53 <ericP> ack ericP 
15:26:53 <Zakim> ericP, you wanted to say something clever
15:27:04 <holger_stenzhorn> Zakim, [IPcaller] is holger_stenzhorn
15:27:04 <Zakim> +holger_stenzhorn; got it
15:27:04 <ericP> ericP: there are some other tricks for managing agenda and that sort of thing.
15:27:22 <ericP> zakim, please mute me
15:27:24 <ericP> ack ericP
15:27:27 <Zakim> EricP should now be muted
15:27:29 <ericP> ack ericP
15:27:37 <Zakim> +AdrianP
15:27:48 <AdrianP> Hi, just joined
15:27:50 <mscottm> Hi Adrian
15:27:52 <ericP> ericP: The W3C site is backed by a revision control system called CVS.
15:27:54 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:27:54 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
15:28:02 <AdrianP> Zakim, who is on the phone
15:28:02 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone', AdrianP
15:28:03 <ericP> ... A lot of these documents are edited by elected editors, responding to comments in publc mailing lists.
15:28:15 <AdrianP> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:28:15 <Zakim> On the phone I see Kei_Cheung, chimezie, Susie, +1.857.362.aabb, +1.617.947.aacc, Huajun, +1.503.723.aadd, EricP, +1.212.217.aaee, +1.781.316.aaff, +1.919.541.aagg, ??P16,
15:28:18 <Zakim> ... +1.202.872.aahh, andreasplendiani (muted), Elizabeth, +1.518.276.aajj, +1.781.273.aakk, [Microsoft], marco, +46.4.67.7.aamm (muted), ??P41 (muted), +1.925.944.aann, michel,
15:28:22 <Zakim> ... ??P18 (muted), ??P44, ??P3, +1.781.839.aaoo, Eric_Neumann, ??P48, holger_stenzhorn, AdrianP (muted)
15:28:27 <ericP> ... Wiki's have their own form of concensus (most prolific wins).
15:28:42 <ericP> ... So W3C also has wiki space for things which invite that group dynamic.
15:28:53 <ericP> ericP: W3C is a member-based industry consortium
15:29:01 <ericP> ... that is, we invite participation from folks appointed by representatives of the various members.
15:29:03 <kei> q+
15:29:12 <ericP> ... for this group, we'll have lots of invited experts
15:31:04 <ericP> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-semweb-lifesci/ HCLS Mail List
15:31:14 <Zakim> -??P48
15:31:53 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-hcls-minutes
15:31:59 <ericP> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:31:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-hcls-minutes.html ericP
15:32:55 <ericP> susie: note the email alias team-hcls-chairs
15:33:19 <mscottm> team-hcls-chairs@w3.org
15:33:20 <ericP> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:33:20 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Participation Expectations - Susie" taken up [from ericP]
15:33:47 <ericP> susie: work expectations:
15:34:08 <ericP> ... .. participation is public, but we expect the majority will be members of W3C
15:34:29 <ericP> ... .. non-members can explore the IE path
15:34:45 <mscottm> IE = "Invited Expert"
15:34:48 <ericP> ... .. better to be a member, access to more resources
15:35:02 <Zakim> - +1.925.944.aann
15:35:11 <ericP> ... .. we'll be pruning the mail list shortly to include members and IEs
15:35:29 <ericP> ... .. would recommend assigning a minimum of 10% time to the group
15:35:54 <ericP> ... .. appreciate that work preempts
15:36:49 <ericP> ... .. there will be less exploration than the first HCLS group; we expect the participants to be able to work on deliverabless
15:37:13 <ericP> ... .. deliverables will include conferences and papers
15:37:42 <ericP> ... .. meeting records will document action items, decisions, ...
15:37:57 <ericP> ... commitments:
15:38:16 <ericP> ... .. it's important to be clear when you can do something
15:38:39 <ericP> ... .. also important to respect other participants at all levels
15:39:01 <ericP> ... .. [ref Postel's Law]
15:39:10 <ericP> -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postel's_law Postel's Law
15:39:31 <ericP> susie: i expect that following these guidelines will make a productive group
15:39:49 <ericP> Zakim, take up next agendum
15:39:49 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ericP
15:39:57 <ericP> q?
15:39:59 <ericP> q- kei
15:40:02 <ericP> Zakim, take up next agendum
15:40:02 <Zakim> agendum 1. "roll call" taken up [from ericP]
15:40:05 <chimezie> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/HCLSIGCharter Health care and Life Sciences Interest Group (New) Charter
15:40:09 <ericP> Zakim, take up agendum 6
15:40:09 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Charter Overview - Chime" taken up [from ericP]
15:40:39 <ericP> chimezie: Charter defines the mandiate and scope of an interest group
15:41:10 <ericP> ... scope, goals, deliverables, liasons
15:41:20 <ericP> ... goals:
15:41:42 <Zakim> - +1.617.947.aacc
15:42:09 <jzhao> jzhao has joined #HCLS
15:42:13 <ericP> ... .. 1st: advocate, develop tools, and suporting documents for SemWeb in health care, life science
15:42:28 <ericP> ... .. document use cases
15:43:11 <ericP> ... use cases useful for defining what we need to do and when we've succeeded
15:43:29 <ericP> ... will develop implementations that meet these use cases
15:43:40 <ericP> ... develop high-level vocabularies
15:44:11 <ericP> ... diseminate this info to govornments, other bodies...
15:45:01 <ericP> chimezie: charter lays out separation of the primary domains of this group: biology, health care, trans therap
15:45:39 <ericP> ... primary value proposition is in integrating diverse databases
15:46:27 <ericP> ... Trans Therapeutics: working on "bench to bedside": preclinical trial data to affect patient medication
15:46:36 <ericP> ... health care
15:46:48 <ericP> ... coordiation with other groups:
15:46:56 <ericP> Zakim, who is speaking?
15:47:07 <Zakim> ericP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: 28 (9%), chimezie (93%), +1.781.273.aakk (31%)
15:47:14 <ericP> Zakim, who is speaking?
15:47:25 <Zakim> ericP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: chimezie (64%), +1.781.316.aaff (34%), +1.781.273.aakk (37%)
15:47:29 <ericP> ... .. many of the standards in this area are sill develping
15:47:40 <AdrianP> would propose a liaison with W3C RIF
15:47:40 <ericP> Zakim, please mute +1.781.316.aaff
15:47:40 <Zakim> +1.781.316.aaff should now be muted
15:47:54 <ericP> Zakim, please mute +1.781.273.aakk
15:47:54 <Zakim> +1.781.273.aakk should now be muted
15:48:10 <ericP> chimezie: another group to liase with is RIF
15:48:15 <mscottm> thanks EricP
15:48:27 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_Working_Group RIGF WG
15:48:30 <ericP> -> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/RIF_Working_Group RIF WG
15:48:31 <AdrianP> yes, we are working on such use cases 
15:48:34 <AdrianP> e.g. http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/UCR#Ruleset_Integration_for_Medical_Decision_Support
15:48:50 <ericP> chimezie: relevent recently closed groups: SPARQL, GRDDL
15:49:37 <ericP> ... this IG is charterd for 3 years (starting 1 June)
15:50:15 <eneumann> q+
15:50:24 <ericP> ... want to work with HL7, CDISC, those managing SNOMED -GT
15:50:34 <chimezie> -> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/HCLSIGCharter Health care and Life Sciences Interest Group (New) Charter
15:51:03 <ericP> eneumann: lots of nearby activities that aren't SemWeb-based
15:51:38 <ericP> ... the folks working BRIDG wanted to get more involved
15:51:54 <ericP> ... BRIDG working with CDISC, HL7, National Cancer Instituted
15:52:30 <ericP> ... they are now aware that there is an OWL version of BRIDG
15:52:58 <marco> q+
15:53:05 <ericP> ack eneumann 
15:53:14 <eneumann> ack eneumann
15:53:33 <ericP> chimezie: how does these liasons work
15:53:48 <Zakim> +??P12
15:55:08 <ericP> chimezie: we often invite them to speak to tasks forces
15:55:18 <ericP> ack marco
15:55:20 <chimezie> ack marco
15:55:33 <ericP> marco: how open are you to new use cases?
15:55:51 <ericP> ... if you work 10% of your time, it needs to be in sync with your interests
15:56:21 <ericP> Zakim, take up agendum 7
15:56:21 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Proposed Projects - Chime, Scott, Susie" taken up [from ericP]
15:57:07 <ericP> susie: acknoweldging the need for synergy beteen HCLS participation and day jobs, we've selected some tasks
15:57:20 <chimezie> -> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas Project Ideas
15:57:25 <ericP> ... we ask your advice on these tasks and invite new proposals
15:58:05 <ericP> ... if there projects that you are working on, you may enter it in the wiki page (Project Ideas)
15:58:51 <AdrianP> I already started to add to this projects
15:58:53 <ericP> ... alternatively, you can send email to the public-semweb-lifesci@w3.org list, or to the team-hcls-chairs@w3.org if you just want input from the chairs
15:59:00 <ericP> tx AdrianP 
15:59:30 <mscottm> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability
15:59:39 <ericP> chimezie: Clinical Osbervations Interoperability task force (ongoing) lead by Vipul
16:00:07 <ericP> ... re-purposing existing clinical models and developing new ones
16:00:29 <ericP> ... lots of recent activity
16:01:00 <ericP> susie: Vipul will give us a 20 minute overview during the next HCLS call (2 weeks from today)
16:01:42 <ericP> chimezie: we encourage SNOMED to distribute in OWL
16:02:04 <mscottm> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/DecisionSupportRuleLanguages
16:02:04 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
16:02:04 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
16:02:06 <AdrianP> q+
16:02:22 <mscottm> oops - this one: http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/DecisionSupportRuleLanguages
16:02:24 <ericP> ... ISTC@@@ is now planning to distribute as a secondary deployment
16:02:46 <ericP> ... RIF is a language for exchanging rules
16:03:13 <ericP> ... we can give them use cases in the area of Clinical Decision Support
16:03:42 <ericP> ... we can see how well these rules can support these use cases
16:04:19 <Zakim> -??P3
16:04:50 <ericP> ... [task] identify archetypal data that comes up a lot in health care scenarios to push for standards in those small areas of KR
16:05:39 <AdrianP> q-
16:05:49 <ericP> AdrianP: [editor of the RIF UC&R document] I can easily add your use cases to the UC&R doc
16:06:30 <ericP> susie: CDISC creates clinical interchange standards approved by the FDA
16:06:47 <mscottm> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/CDISC
16:06:59 <ericP> ... [task] work with CDISC to create ontology of data elements withing the SDTM
16:07:32 <ericP> .. [task] (similar to drug safety and efficacy) labeling and modeling biomarkers
16:07:39 <mscottm> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/ClinicalTrials
16:07:56 <AdrianP> I'm also working on several use cases which exploit rules in HCLS 
16:08:06 <ericP> susie: [task] clinicaltrials.gov documents clinical trials around the world
16:08:14 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
16:08:14 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
16:08:20 <ericP> ... lillytrials.com includes lilly trials
16:08:31 <ericP> ... FDA publishes the Orange Book
16:08:40 <ericP> ... sometimes the data is available in HTML
16:08:50 <ericP> ... sometimes it's all trapped in PDFs
16:09:11 <ericP> ... project would involve picking a therapeutic area to mining the data in those papers
16:09:41 <ericP> ... [task] diseasome written up in nature, new england journal of medicine
16:10:04 <ericP> ... barabassy interested in working with us to publish diseasome in RDF/OWL
16:10:30 <ericP> ... [task] how can SIOC benifit the scientific/medical communities?
16:10:44 <mscottm> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/Diseasome
16:10:49 <ericP> ... this has become a big focus area for lots of folks
16:10:51 <mscottm> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/SIOC
16:11:02 <ericP> ... harvard just won a large grant for this
16:11:28 <ericP> ... create a graph of who's publishing with whom
16:11:52 <mscottm> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/PCMR
16:11:55 <ericP> ... [task] (less certain how to persue this just now) personally managed health care records
16:12:29 <ericP> ... clinical trials subjects get their genome scanned, but don't keep that information
16:12:47 <ericP> ... both google and microsoft are working on storage for this area
16:13:03 <ericP> ... we can be ahead of the curve (or leading edge) on this
16:13:43 <ericP> mscottm: [covering life science/bio projects]
16:14:03 <ericP> ... some of these could form basis of projects that have already be defined
16:14:11 <mscottm> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/KB
16:14:29 <ericP> ... my top interest is enchancing the HCLS Knowledge Base
16:14:49 <ericP> ... could include adding diseasome data from barabassy
16:15:17 <ericP> ... would this find genetic reasons for diseases that are related to each other'
16:15:50 <ericP> ... [project] add chemical structures (KB currently biased towards neurology)
16:16:06 <ericP> ... can add other things like anatomy and physiology
16:16:30 <ericP> ... [task] distribution of the KB across multiple locations
16:16:31 <Zakim> -Eric_Neumann
16:16:56 <ericP> ... fairly challenging, people ask "can it be distributed?"
16:17:19 <AdrianP> we could probably host another triple store here at the Biotec Center in Dresden
16:17:33 <ericP> ... require nitty gritty work on query engines
16:17:58 <Zakim> +Helen_Chen
16:18:44 <AdrianP> or a verbalized language, a controlled english interface
16:18:49 <ericP> ... [task] enhance the query interface to make it easier to compose queries without having to know all the namespaces
16:18:51 <AdrianP> Dresden is in the east of Germany
16:19:17 <kidehen_> ericP:  Does a query interface exist?
16:19:29 <ericP> ... similarly to getting to know the contents of a KB requires the same work
16:19:33 <kei> q+
16:19:37 <mscottm> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-hcls-senselab-20080604/
16:19:45 <AdrianP> Freiburg is in the west of Germany
16:19:45 <ericP> kidehen_, only have SPARQL endpoints so far
16:20:04 <kidehen_> ericP:  is the a link to something I can see?
16:20:22 <kidehen_> ericP:  s/the/there
16:20:34 <mscottm> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/eScience
16:20:34 <ericP> mscottm: [task] add e-science to our work, including grid computing
16:20:54 <matthiassamwald> kidehen_, some of us have built UIs that access parts of the Knowledge Base, such as Entrez Neuron: http://neuroweb3.med.yale.edu:8090/
16:20:55 <ericP> kidehen_, i think it's in the hcls-kb doc
16:21:20 <ericP> mscottm: web services are a way for us to collaborate
16:21:51 <ericP> ... you can use Taverna (SP?) to compose workflows out of multiple web services
16:21:54 <mscottm> http://myexperiment.org/
16:22:20 <ericP> ... sharing workflows is getting easier
16:22:45 <ericP> ... you can trigger web services by clicking on something on a web page
16:23:07 <ericP> ... should look for synergy between these projects and other HCLS projects
16:23:25 <AdrianP> there is a synergy with the Rule Responder project, which allows to describe rule-based workflows
16:23:30 <ericP> ... e.g. exporting diseasome in RDF would be usefully shared
16:24:22 <mt> mt has left #hcls
16:24:35 <ericP> ... e-science allows you to, e.g. export text-mined medline in RDF -- surprisingly in-reach
16:25:02 <matthiassamwald> sameless self-promotion of a prototype RDF/OWL wrapper for a text mining service: http://whatizit.neurocommons.org/
16:25:03 <ericP> ... main questions are "how do you wnat to represent the info, and how would you clean it up"
16:25:11 <mscottm> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG/Project_Ideas/SemanticWikis
16:25:24 <chimezie> yay!
16:25:26 <ericP> ... also want to explore the use of semantic wikis
16:25:51 <AdrianP> great
16:26:04 <dingl> we may look at some work on semantic media wiki at RPI
16:26:06 <dingl> http://tw.rpi.edu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page
16:26:09 <ericP> Topic: Q&A
16:26:13 <AdrianP> Zakim, unmute me
16:26:13 <Zakim> AdrianP should no longer be muted
16:26:15 <kei> q+
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16:27:02 <ericP> AdrianP: how do we get folks to work on a project?
16:27:25 <ericP> susie: document the project, and if there's sufficient interest, off you go
16:27:51 <ericP> ... the lead person will pick task force meeting times, and report during the HCLS calls
16:28:35 <ericP> ... these projects will have indepencence and their own lifespan
16:28:45 <ericP> ... expect most to be done within a year
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16:29:26 <ericP> mscottm: if you have project ideas, try to keep in mind that synergy with other projects helps your goal
16:29:30 <matthiassamwald> q+
16:29:55 <ericP> ... helps to aim for a particlar demo/implementation
16:30:02 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
16:30:02 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
16:30:07 <ericP> ack kei 
16:30:52 <ericP> kei: could expand the KB with, e.g. herbal medicine
16:31:06 <ericP> ... china has dbs about these herbs
16:31:42 <ericP> ericP: I expect that Huajun will be spearheading something like that
16:32:06 <Zakim> -??P16
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16:32:20 <Huajun> yes, I am working with kei together on this project actually
16:32:23 <ericP> susie: western pharmaceuticals are interested in easter meds
16:32:49 <matthiassamwald> http://richard.cyganiak.de/2007/10/lod/
16:32:55 <ericP> matthiassamwald: would be great aim to turn our projects into something that creates a coherent datastructure
16:33:43 <ericP> ... many independent participants in linked open data follow some rules to create an aggregated project
16:34:06 <ericP> susie: reminds me that we'd like projects with common threads through the different silos
16:34:26 <ericP> ... don't want isolated projects; want to bridge them all together
16:35:03 <ericP> ... don't expect they'll all link together right from the start, but if you use e.g. the same compound as an example, we can link them together
16:35:05 <Zakim> - +1.919.541.aagg
16:35:20 <mscottm> Next call: two weeks June 26
16:35:24 <AdrianP> bye
16:35:26 <michel> bye
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16:35:39 <Huajun> bye
16:35:44 <Zakim> -michel
16:35:45 <Zakim> -Helen_Chen
16:35:47 <Zakim> - +1.503.723.aadd
16:35:48 <Zakim> -Kei_Cheung
16:35:48 <Zakim> -Susie
16:35:49 <andreasplendiani> nye
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16:35:49 <Zakim> -chimezie
16:35:49 <Zakim> -holger_stenzhorn
16:35:51 <ericP> ... tx to all participants, tx for your participation
16:35:53 <Zakim> -andreasplendiani
16:35:55 <Zakim> -Elizabeth
16:35:55 <kidehen_> chimezie:  available for chat?
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16:36:17 <Zakim> -EricP
16:36:19 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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16:36:31 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:36:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-hcls-minutes.html ericP
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17:05:07 <Zakim> Attendees were Kei_Cheung, Susie, +1.857.362.aabb, +1.617.947.aacc, +1.503.723.aadd, EricP, +1.212.217.aaee, +1.781.316.aaff, +1.919.541.aagg, +1.202.872.aahh, +29928aaii,
17:05:12 <Zakim> ... Elizabeth, +1.518.276.aajj, [Microsoft], +1.781.273.aakk, holger_stenzhorn, matthiassamwald, marco, +46.4.67.7.aamm, Huajun, andreasplendiani, +1.925.944.aann, michel,
17:05:15 <Zakim> ... chimezie, +1.781.839.aaoo, Eric_Neumann, +1.909.287.aapp, AdrianP, Helen_Chen