IRC log of bpwg on 2008-06-12

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Zakim, this will be BPWG
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Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 12 June 2008
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+Francois
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+Adam
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zakim, code?
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the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
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+Dom
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+??P19
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Zakim, ??P19 is me
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+miguel; got it
14:02:09 [dom]
zakim, who's on the call?
14:02:09 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Heiko, jeffs, Francois, Adam, Dom (muted), miguel
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+jo
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+??P17
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zakim, ??P17 is yeliz
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+yeliz; got it
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zakim, mute yeliz
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yeliz should now be muted
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Chair: jo
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Regrets: EdM, kemp, murari, manrique, AlanC, abel, rob, kai
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Present- Matt
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jun/0042.html
14:03:50 [jo]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jun/0042.html
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-yeliz
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Regrets+ AlanTai
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+??P17
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zakim, ??P17 is yeliz
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+yeliz; got it
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+Scott
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zakim, mute yeliz
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yeliz should now be muted
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Scribe: francois
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ScribeNick: francois
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Topic: Report from Task Forces
14:07:05 [francois]
Jo: short of reporters it seems
14:07:17 [francois]
... mobileOK Pro: email from Kai about a new revision
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... waiting for feedback from the group
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... on the agenda for F2f
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ack me
14:07:58 [francois]
... mobileOK Checker: email from dom
14:08:14 [francois]
... comment to the Last Call. Dom, could you explain?
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dom: I apologize for finding new problems
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... while implementing new changes in the checker
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... I found some things were not clear
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Jo: I'd rather have no substantive changes
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... CT, francois?
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francois: new draft is out
14:10:50 [francois]
... house cleaning on actions and issues during last call
14:11:07 [dom]
[may I suggest that http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/12 be updated before the F2F to reflect the current status of open issues]
14:11:12 [francois]
... This clearly shows the remaining problems that we need to discuss during the F2F
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... read, review and comment the doc!
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Jo: Korean TF, don't think there's anyone on the call
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Topic: Updates
14:12:19 [Zakim]
+SeanP
14:12:27 [francois]
Jo: Alan sent an email on Accessibility
14:12:48 [francois]
... there's a draft of the 6th of June, and it has progressed since then (in the background).
14:12:56 [yeliz]
zakim, unmute yeliz
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yeliz should no longer be muted
14:13:04 [francois]
... Yeliz, Alan mentions you're working on some text, can you give us an update?
14:13:40 [francois]
Yeliz: I sent another email about the document this morning. I completed my part. We're hoping to have some discussion about it in the EOWG tomorrow.
14:14:04 [francois]
Jo: Alan won't be at the F2F but will try to join by tel
14:14:22 [francois]
Jo: On BP2
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... Adam, update?
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zakim, mute yeliz
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yeliz should now be muted
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Adam: no update in the past two weeks I'm afraid
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... I'll see to work on this tomorrow and come to the F2F with at least a list of issues
14:15:11 [francois]
Jo: Yes, we've reserved a day on that
14:15:20 [francois]
Jo: On mobileOK Basic Tests
14:15:34 [francois]
... published as a fourth Last Call document
14:15:53 [francois]
... unfortunately, it seems that there could be some changes
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[for context, the document was published as proposed recommendation back in December 2006, and the AC review ended in January 2007]
14:17:03 [dom]
[but news from XHTML Basic 1.1 makes it likely that the document will be able to progress to Recommendation soon]
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-> http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/#iddiv3126730128
14:17:27 [dom]
[XHTML Basic 1.1 being the blocking factor for the Best Practices to be stuck in PR for so long]
14:17:36 [francois]
Jo: Adding Mobile Web Best Practices in there
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... francois?
14:17:55 [jo]
OBJECTS_OR_SCRIPT Machine Test: Test for the presence of object or script elements in content delivered to a device that does not support them.
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Human Test: If present, test that the user experience is acceptable.
14:18:00 [francois]
francois: During the AC review, there was a comment on the OBJECTS_OR_SCRIPT best practice
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... that the Machine Test was not correct
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Jo: What I suggest is to do a non substantive change that I'll just paste in
14:18:58 [francois]
... [typing]
14:19:20 [jo]
PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Change the Machine Test for OJECTS or SCRIPT to say Machine Test: Test for the presence of object or script elements in content delivered to a device that does not support them, and if present carry out the Human Test
14:20:04 [francois]
Jo: I think it's a very very minor change
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... anybody any objection?
14:20:19 [dom]
+1
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+1
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RESOLUTION: Change the Machine Test for OJECTS or SCRIPT to say Machine Test: Test for the presence of object or script elements in content delivered to a device that does not support them, and if present carry out the Human Test
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+1
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Jo: plus some minor updates on the references that francois sent me
14:22:44 [jo]
ACTION: Jo to enact the RESOLUTION on OBJECTS or script and other updates to the references required as a result of other documents being in new revision
14:22:44 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-775 - Enact the RESOLUTION on OBJECTS or script and other updates to the references required as a result of other documents being in new revision [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-06-19].
14:22:54 [francois]
... So I'll update an editorial draft.
14:23:31 [dom]
ack me
14:23:46 [francois]
... francois, next steps?
14:24:05 [francois]
francois: pending move of XHTML Basic 1.1 to Rec which is on its way
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... so we should be able to move as soon as XHTML Basic 1.1 goes to Rec.
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... Transition from Proposed Rec to Recommendation is a team-only process. The working group is not to approve anything, it's the W3C Director that approves the transition.
14:25:27 [francois]
Jo: reason for waiting for Rec and not transition when XHTML Basic 1.1 is in PR?
14:25:58 [dom]
-> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd3jk8v_114tkbg6kgj Proposed F2F agenda
14:25:58 [francois]
francois: unclear, but given that PR should lead to Rec in a short amount of time, we'd better wait.
14:26:16 [jo]
--> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd3jk8v_114tkbg6kgj Proposed Agenda for F2F
14:26:24 [francois]
dom: right, and since this is going to be a transition in summer, we'd better emphasize it by transitioning both documents at the same time.
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Topic: Proposed agenda for F2F
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Jo: the way we plan to do this:
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... first morning: bash through CT guidelines
14:28:00 [francois]
... many issues to address, informative/normative, outreach event, coordination with POWDER.
14:28:49 [francois]
... dense morning!
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... If we need more time, then we'll see, but we should target one morning only
14:29:42 [francois]
... During the afternoon, mobileOK Scheme draft, but chaals unfortunately won't be there.
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... Then mobileOK Basic Tests 1.0 where we'll address dom's points in particular
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... Then mobileOK Pro, and relation between POWDER and mobileOK
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... At the end of this long day, we'll be invited to a wine tasting party!
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... Day 2: whole day on BP2
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... I don't imagine that we'll be short of things to address, especially if Adam has prepared some topics for us to digest
14:32:46 [francois]
... Day 3: Checker. We need to have a plan to endorse the checker (and not endorse it as previously thought because we've just introduced some changes)
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... Accessibility
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... Korean task force
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... And thoughts about charter, charter extensions, and how to make sure everything fits by december
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... We may end up doing something completely different, but that should not be the case
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Jo: AOB?
14:34:42 [hgerlach]
+1
14:34:54 [jeffs]
thank you very much, francois, for the extra work today
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-Dom
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Jo: [session adjourned]
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-Heiko
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byee
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-Adam
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-bpwg-minutes.html francois
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-miguel
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-jeffs
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-jo
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-Francois
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MWI_BPWG()10:00AM has ended
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Attendees were Heiko, jeffs, Francois, Adam, Dom, miguel, jo, yeliz, Scott, SeanP
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-bpwg-minutes.html francois
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