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13:59:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:59:52 <trackbot> Date: 12 June 2008
14:00:33 <Zakim> +Francois
14:00:51 <Zakim> +Adam
14:01:00 <dom> zakim, code?
14:01:00 <Zakim> the conference code is 2794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), dom
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14:01:49 <Zakim> +??P19
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14:02:02 <miguel> Zakim, ??P19 is me
14:02:02 <Zakim> +miguel; got it
14:02:09 <dom> zakim, who's on the call?
14:02:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see Heiko, jeffs, Francois, Adam, Dom (muted), miguel
14:02:24 <Zakim> +jo
14:02:36 <Zakim> +??P17
14:02:47 <yeliz> zakim, ??P17 is yeliz
14:02:47 <Zakim> +yeliz; got it
14:03:00 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
14:03:00 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
14:03:06 <francois> Chair: jo
14:03:13 <francois> Regrets: EdM, kemp, murari, manrique, AlanC, abel, rob, kai
14:03:22 <matt> Present- Matt
14:03:45 <francois> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jun/0042.html
14:03:50 <jo> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg/2008Jun/0042.html
14:04:35 <Zakim> -yeliz
14:05:20 <francois> Regrets+ AlanTai
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14:06:11 <yeliz> zakim, ??P17 is yeliz
14:06:11 <Zakim> +yeliz; got it
14:06:13 <Zakim> +Scott
14:06:24 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
14:06:24 <Zakim> yeliz should now be muted
14:06:43 <francois> Scribe: francois
14:06:48 <francois> ScribeNick: francois
14:06:57 <francois> Topic: Report from Task Forces
14:07:05 <francois> Jo: short of reporters it seems
14:07:17 <francois> ... mobileOK Pro: email from Kai about a new revision
14:07:37 <francois> ... waiting for feedback from the group
14:07:47 <francois> ... on the agenda for F2f
14:07:49 <dom> ack me
14:07:58 <francois> ... mobileOK Checker: email from dom
14:08:14 <francois> ... comment to the Last Call. Dom, could you explain?
14:08:29 <francois> dom: I apologize for finding new problems
14:08:42 <francois> ... while implementing new changes in the checker
14:08:52 <francois> ... I found some things were not clear
14:09:22 <francois> Jo: I'd rather have no substantive changes
14:09:25 <francois> ... CT, francois?
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14:10:37 <francois> francois: new draft is out
14:10:50 <francois> ... house cleaning on actions and issues during last call
14:11:07 <dom> [may I suggest that http://www.w3.org/2005/MWI/BPWG/Group/track/products/12 be updated before the F2F to reflect the current status of open issues]
14:11:12 <francois> ... This clearly shows the remaining problems that we need to discuss during the F2F
14:11:41 <francois> ... read, review and comment the doc!
14:11:57 <francois> Jo: Korean TF, don't think there's anyone on the call
14:12:18 <francois> Topic: Updates
14:12:19 <Zakim> +SeanP
14:12:27 <francois> Jo: Alan sent an email on Accessibility
14:12:48 <francois> ... there's a draft of the 6th of June, and it has progressed since then (in the background).
14:12:56 <yeliz> zakim, unmute yeliz
14:12:56 <Zakim> yeliz should no longer be muted
14:13:04 <francois> ... Yeliz, Alan mentions you're working on some text, can you give us an update?
14:13:40 <francois> Yeliz: I sent another email about the document this morning. I completed my part. We're hoping to have some discussion about it in the EOWG tomorrow.
14:14:04 <francois> Jo: Alan won't be at the F2F but will try to join by tel
14:14:22 <francois> Jo: On BP2
14:14:25 <francois> ... Adam, update?
14:14:26 <yeliz> zakim, mute yeliz
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14:14:37 <francois> Adam: no update in the past two weeks I'm afraid
14:14:59 <francois> ... I'll see to work on this tomorrow and come to the F2F with at least a list of issues
14:15:11 <francois> Jo: Yes, we've reserved a day on that
14:15:20 <francois> Jo: On mobileOK Basic Tests
14:15:34 <francois> ... published as a fourth Last Call document
14:15:53 <francois> ... unfortunately, it seems that there could be some changes
14:16:43 <dom> [for context, the document was published as proposed recommendation back in December 2006, and the AC review ended in January 2007]
14:17:03 <dom> [but news from XHTML Basic 1.1 makes it likely that the document will be able to progress to Recommendation soon]
14:17:20 <francois> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/mobile-bp/#iddiv3126730128
14:17:27 <dom> [XHTML Basic 1.1 being the blocking factor for the Best Practices to be stuck in PR for so long]
14:17:36 <francois> Jo: Adding Mobile Web Best Practices in there
14:17:38 <francois> ... francois?
14:17:55 <jo> OBJECTS_OR_SCRIPT Machine Test: Test for the presence of object or script elements in content delivered to a device that does not support them.
14:17:57 <jo> Human Test: If present, test that the user experience is acceptable.
14:18:00 <francois> francois: During the AC review, there was a comment on the OBJECTS_OR_SCRIPT best practice
14:18:14 <francois> ... that the Machine Test was not correct
14:18:49 <francois> Jo: What I suggest is to do a non substantive change that I'll just paste in
14:18:58 <francois> ... [typing]
14:19:20 <jo> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Change the Machine Test for OJECTS or SCRIPT to say Machine Test: Test for the presence of object or script elements in content delivered to a device that does not support them, and if present carry out the Human Test
14:20:04 <francois> Jo: I think it's a very very minor change
14:20:18 <francois> ... anybody any objection?
14:20:19 <dom> +1
14:20:41 <yeliz> +1
14:20:51 <francois> RESOLUTION: Change the Machine Test for OJECTS or SCRIPT to say Machine Test: Test for the presence of object or script elements in content delivered to a device that does not support them, and if present carry out the Human Test
14:20:54 <jeffs> +1
14:21:24 <francois> Jo: plus some minor updates on the references that francois sent me
14:22:44 <jo> ACTION: Jo to enact the RESOLUTION on OBJECTS or script and other updates to the references required as a result of other documents being in new revision
14:22:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-775 - Enact the RESOLUTION on OBJECTS or script and other updates to the references required as a result of other documents being in new revision [on Jo Rabin - due 2008-06-19].
14:22:54 <francois> ... So I'll update an editorial draft.
14:23:31 <dom> ack me
14:23:46 <francois> ... francois, next steps?
14:24:05 <francois> francois: pending move of XHTML Basic 1.1 to Rec which is on its way
14:24:23 <francois> ... so we should be able to move as soon as XHTML Basic 1.1 goes to Rec.
14:25:01 <francois> ... Transition from Proposed Rec to Recommendation is a team-only process. The working group is not to approve anything, it's the W3C Director that approves the transition.
14:25:27 <francois> Jo: reason for waiting for Rec and not transition when XHTML Basic 1.1 is in PR?
14:25:58 <dom> -> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd3jk8v_114tkbg6kgj Proposed F2F agenda
14:25:58 <francois> francois: unclear, but given that PR should lead to Rec in a short amount of time, we'd better wait.
14:26:16 <jo> --> http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dd3jk8v_114tkbg6kgj Proposed Agenda for F2F
14:26:24 <francois> dom: right, and since this is going to be a transition in summer, we'd better emphasize it by transitioning both documents at the same time.
14:26:37 <francois> Topic: Proposed agenda for F2F
14:27:00 <francois> Jo: the way we plan to do this:
14:27:13 <francois> ... first morning: bash through CT guidelines
14:28:00 <francois> ... many issues to address, informative/normative, outreach event, coordination with POWDER.
14:28:49 <francois> ... dense morning!
14:29:07 <francois> ... If we need more time, then we'll see, but we should target one morning only
14:29:42 <francois> ... During the afternoon, mobileOK Scheme draft, but chaals unfortunately won't be there.
14:30:23 <francois> ... Then mobileOK Basic Tests 1.0 where we'll address dom's points in particular
14:30:39 <francois> ... Then mobileOK Pro, and relation between POWDER and mobileOK
14:31:10 <francois> ... At the end of this long day, we'll be invited to a wine tasting party!
14:31:17 <francois> ... Day 2: whole day on BP2
14:31:57 <francois> ... I don't imagine that we'll be short of things to address, especially if Adam has prepared some topics for us to digest
14:32:46 <francois> ... Day 3: Checker. We need to have a plan to endorse the checker (and not endorse it as previously thought because we've just introduced some changes)
14:32:54 <francois> ... Accessibility
14:33:24 <francois> ... Korean task force 
14:33:44 <francois> ... And thoughts about charter, charter extensions, and how to make sure everything fits by december
14:34:24 <francois> ... We may end up doing something completely different, but that should not be the case
14:34:29 <francois> Jo: AOB?
14:34:42 <hgerlach> +1
14:34:54 <jeffs> thank you very much, francois, for the extra work today
14:35:05 <Zakim> -Dom
14:35:05 <francois> Jo: [session adjourned]
14:35:07 <Zakim> -Heiko
14:35:08 <yeliz> byee
14:35:08 <Zakim> -Adam
14:35:09 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:35:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-bpwg-minutes.html francois
14:35:12 <Zakim> -miguel
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14:35:22 <Zakim> -Francois
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14:35:23 <Zakim> Attendees were Heiko, jeffs, Francois, Adam, Dom, miguel, jo, yeliz, Scott, SeanP
14:35:41 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:35:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/12-bpwg-minutes.html francois
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