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12:42:40 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
12:42:40 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 18 minutes
12:42:41 <trackbot> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
12:42:41 <trackbot> Date: 10 June 2008
12:43:37 <fjh> Chair: Frederick Hirsch
12:44:01 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0009.html
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12:52:10 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started
12:52:17 <Zakim> +jwray
12:55:41 <fjh> yes it is all done
12:55:55 <fjh> s/yes it is all done//
12:59:43 <sean> sean has joined #xmlsec
12:59:47 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-skype
12:59:47 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
12:59:49 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:00:12 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
13:00:35 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:00:35 <Zakim> On the phone I see jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch
13:00:36 <Zakim> On IRC I see sean, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot
13:01:29 <Zakim> +Ed_Simon
13:02:04 <pdatta> pdatta has joined #xmlsec
13:02:29 <Zakim> + +1.857.222.aaaa
13:02:40 <shivaram> shivaram has joined #xmlsec
13:02:53 <Zakim> +shivaram
13:03:05 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:03:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, +1.857.222.aaaa, shivaram
13:03:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see shivaram, pdatta, sean, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot
13:03:08 <Zakim> + +1.650.575.aabb
13:03:11 <Zakim> +deastlak
13:03:20 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is sean
13:03:20 <Zakim> +sean; got it
13:03:22 <Zakim> +??P12
13:03:25 <pdatta> zakim, aabb is pdatta
13:03:26 <Zakim> +pdatta; got it
13:03:26 <shivaram> zakim, mute me
13:03:28 <Zakim> shivaram should now be muted
13:03:32 <Zakim> +brich
13:03:36 <deastlak> deastlak has joined #xmlsec
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13:03:40 <fjh> zakim, P12 is robmiller
13:03:40 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'P12'
13:03:52 <fjh> zakim, ??P12 is rdmiller
13:03:52 <Zakim> +rdmiller; got it
13:04:04 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:04:04 <Zakim> On the phone I see jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, sean, shivaram (muted), pdatta, deastlak, rdmiller, brich
13:04:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see brich, deastlak, shivaram, pdatta, sean, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot
13:04:11 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
13:04:22 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Frederick_Hirsch (4%), deastlak (34%), rdmiller (4%), brich (5%), Thomas (9%)
13:05:09 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:05:09 <Zakim> On the phone I see jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, sean, shivaram (muted), pdatta, deastlak, rdmiller, brich
13:05:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see brich, deastlak, shivaram, pdatta, sean, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot
13:05:24 <jwray> TOPIC: Administrivia
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13:06:46 <jwray> TOPIC: Minutes from 2008-06-03
13:07:10 <jwray> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 2008-06-03 approved.
13:07:28 <jwray> TOPIC: Upcoming XML Security WG
13:08:04 <jwray> If not already joined WG, contact your rep ASAP
13:08:27 <fjh> instructions - http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/42458/instructions
13:08:38 <fjh> f2f 16-17 july
13:08:50 <Zakim> +??P14
13:08:50 <fjh> logistics - http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Group/barcelona.html
13:09:06 <fjh> zakim, ??P4 is jcc
13:09:06 <Zakim> I already had ??P4 as aemmons, fjh
13:09:17 <fjh> zakim, ??P14 is jcc
13:09:17 <Zakim> +jcc; got it
13:09:21 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:09:21 <Zakim> On the phone I see jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, sean, shivaram (muted), pdatta, deastlak, rdmiller, brich, jcc
13:09:23 <Zakim> On IRC I see jcruella, brich, deastlak, shivaram, pdatta, sean, jwray, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot
13:10:03 <tlr> zakim, I am thomas
13:10:03 <Zakim> ok, tlr, I now associate you with Thomas
13:10:05 <tlr> zakim, mute me
13:10:05 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
13:10:18 <jwray> TOPIC: XML Signature, Syntax and Processing (Second Edition)  Proposed Edited Recommendation
13:10:34 <tlr> zakim, unmute me
13:10:34 <Zakim> Thomas should no longer be muted
13:11:42 <tlr> zakim, mute me
13:11:42 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
13:11:47 <fjh> When published test document and XML Signature Rec should reference each other
13:13:26 <fjh> TOPIC: XML Signature, Second Edition RFC
13:13:31 <tlr> q+
13:13:38 <fjh> In process, WG should review when available
13:14:28 <fjh> Donald has obtained support from IETF area director
13:14:33 <jwray> TOPIC: Relax NG Schema Update
13:14:37 <tlr> q?
13:14:43 <tlr> zakim, unmute me
13:14:43 <Zakim> Thomas should no longer be muted
13:15:15 <fjh> Thomas will provide heads-up on IETF liaison call 
13:16:49 <fjh> Tim Polk at NIST is security area director in IETF
13:16:57 <tlr> Don: Tim Polk at NIST is willing to sponsor; security area director; Lisa D is App Area Director; could be either one.
13:17:02 <tlr> ... different areas are not sharply divided ...
13:17:12 <tlr> ... don't know if they can simultaneously sponsor ...
13:17:46 <tlr> tlr: happy for Tim to be sponsoring AD
13:19:01 <jwray> TOPIC: Relax NG Schema Update
13:19:02 <fjh> TOPIC: RNG Schema
13:19:15 <fjh> Norm Walsh noted a correction to the schema
13:19:17 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0010.html
13:19:27 <tlr> zakim, mute me
13:19:27 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
13:20:26 <tlr> zakim, unmute me
13:20:26 <Zakim> Thomas should no longer be muted
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13:22:04 <fjh> action: thomas to repeat schema tests with updated rnc schema
13:22:04 <trackbot> Created ACTION-165 - Repeat schema tests with updated rnc schema [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-06-17].
13:22:06 <jwray> ACTION: Thomas to re-run tests with updated RNG compact schema
13:22:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-166 - Re-run tests with updated RNG compact schema [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-06-17].
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13:23:07 <Zakim> + +1.857.362.aacc
13:23:55 <fjh> zakim, aacc is klanz2
13:23:55 <Zakim> +klanz2; got it
13:24:03 <jwray> TOPIC: Best Practices
13:24:49 <klanz2> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-bestpractices/
13:26:36 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:26:36 <Zakim> On the phone I see jwray (muted), Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, sean, shivaram (muted), pdatta, deastlak, rdmiller, brich, jcc, klanz2 (muted)
13:26:38 <Zakim> On IRC I see jwray, klanz2, jcruella, brich, deastlak, shivaram, pdatta, sean, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, tlr, trackbot
13:28:50 <jwray> pratik: 2 sets of changes: First re-org doc into implementors & apps sections and adds rationale.  Second addresses timestamps.  
13:28:53 <jcruella> q+
13:29:24 <klanz2> move to next WG ...
13:29:31 <fjh> ack thomas
13:29:38 <tlr> zakim, unmute me
13:29:38 <Zakim> Thomas was not muted, tlr
13:29:42 <fjh> ack tlr
13:29:42 <tlr> q-
13:29:45 <tlr> zakim, mute me
13:29:45 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
13:29:51 <fjh> ack jcruella
13:30:34 <klanz2> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Drafts/xmldsig-bestpractices/#timestamps
13:30:37 <klanz2> This one ?
13:31:13 <fjh> yes
13:31:37 <klanz2> jcc: Time stamps as in the link above are from a trusted third party
13:31:43 <klanz2> the time source is trusted ...
13:32:14 <fjh> signed times issued by trusted third parties - more than signature is important
13:32:19 <klanz2> Time Stamping Authoriities issue  them 
13:32:20 <fjh> s/signed/jcc: signed/
13:33:07 <klanz2> Some Sources : http://webapp.etsi.org/workprogram/Report_WorkItem.asp?WKI_ID=17661
13:33:23 <klanz2> RFC 3161
13:33:36 <jwray> ACTION: jcc to propose change to timestamp text to address requirement for trusted third parties.
13:33:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-167 - Propose change to timestamp text to address requirement for trusted third parties. [on Juan Carlos Cruellas - due 2008-06-17].
13:33:41 <klanz2> q+
13:33:47 <klanz2> ack klanz2
13:33:48 <fjh> ack klanz
13:36:06 <jwray> TOPIC: Action item review
13:36:49 <jwray> ACTION-150 close
13:36:56 <tlr> trackbot, close ACTION-150
13:36:56 <trackbot> ACTION-150 Identifiers Registry: distribute a draft regarding identifiers registry closed
13:37:22 <fjh> information item, no action required by WG
13:37:46 <tlr> +1 to closing ;-)
13:37:49 <jwray> trackbot, close ACTION-153
13:37:49 <trackbot> ACTION-153 Test Case Document: Make the publication of test case document happen closed
13:38:42 <fjh> action-158 open
13:38:53 <klanz2> q+
13:39:08 <klanz2> ack klanz2
13:39:23 <jwray> trackbot, close ACTION-159
13:39:23 <trackbot> ACTION-159 Best Practices: Draft proposal for best practices document re signed streaming content in current XML Sig syntax closed
13:39:40 <jwray> Action 159 to be deferred to next WG
13:39:40 <trackbot> Sorry, couldn't find user - 159
13:39:46 <fjh> This will be discussed in the new XML Security WG
13:39:51 <tlr> ACTION: thomas to install tracker instance for upcoming WG - due 2008-07-01
13:39:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-168 - install tracker instance for upcoming WG [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-07-01].
13:40:00 <tlr> ACTION-159: deferred to next WG
13:40:01 <trackbot> ACTION-159 Best Practices: Draft proposal for best practices document re signed streaming content in current XML Sig syntax notes added
13:40:25 <jwray> trackbot, close ACTION-162
13:40:25 <trackbot> ACTION-162 Best Practices: Reorganize best practices document for implementers, validators and signers, incorporate Pratik's proposed changes provided on list closed
13:40:41 <fjh> Completed, see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0008.html
13:40:54 <jwray> trackbot, close ACTION-163
13:40:54 <trackbot> ACTION-163 Best Practices: Add additional text re DSS and XAdES to best practices document closed
13:41:29 <fjh> completed , see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0011.html
13:43:28 <jwray> trackbot, close ACTION-164
13:43:28 <trackbot> ACTION-164 WG Coordination: XMLHttpRequest review closed
13:44:16 <jwray> TOPIC: AOB
13:45:55 <jwray> fjh  Next WG will have to use more rigorous process (e.g. tool to track issues list).
13:47:03 <klanz2> can we set anchors in the minutes to point/include to relevant discussion ...
13:48:15 <klanz2> yes
13:48:19 <tlr> q+
13:48:42 <klanz2> q-
13:48:43 <fjh> ack klanz
13:49:12 <fjh> ack tlr
13:49:22 <tlr> zakim, unmute me
13:49:22 <Zakim> Thomas should no longer be muted
13:50:38 <klanz2> q+
13:50:48 <tlr> q-
13:50:50 <tlr> zakim, mute me
13:50:50 <Zakim> Thomas should now be muted
13:51:30 <klanz2> ack klanz2
13:51:31 <tlr> zakim, unmute me
13:51:31 <Zakim> Thomas should no longer be muted
13:52:36 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/Scribe-Instructions.html
13:53:04 <fjh> klanz2: need scribing cheat sheet as part of irc window
13:53:22 <tlr> ACTION: thomas to produce updated cheat sheet
13:53:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-169 - Produce updated cheat sheet [on Thomas Roessler - due 2008-06-17].
13:53:34 <fjh> asking for suggestions regarding tools and process for upcoming wg. Note that we should be more rigorous on issue tracking.
13:53:47 <klanz2> thanks
13:53:50 <fjh> should have means to anchor resolutions and topics in minutes more easily with link anchor
13:54:11 <Zakim> -sean
13:54:12 <Zakim> -rdmiller
13:54:15 <Zakim> -pdatta
13:54:17 <Zakim> -shivaram
13:54:18 <jwray> zakim, umute me
13:54:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umute me', jwray
13:54:18 <Zakim> -jcc
13:54:21 <Zakim> -Ed_Simon
13:54:26 <jwray> zakim, unmute me
13:54:26 <Zakim> jwray should no longer be muted
13:54:44 <Zakim> -brich
13:55:16 <Zakim> -Thomas
13:55:23 <Zakim> -deastlak
13:55:42 <fjh> Zakim, list participants
13:55:42 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, +1.857.222.aaaa, shivaram, +1.650.575.aabb, deastlak, sean, pdatta, brich, rdmiller, jcc,
13:55:46 <Zakim> ... +1.857.362.aacc, klanz2
13:55:53 <fjh> RRSAgent, generate minutes
13:55:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh
13:55:54 <klanz2> are wa adjourned?
13:56:01 <Zakim> -klanz2
13:56:02 <klanz2> bye
13:56:04 <fjh> yes, we are adjourned
13:56:30 <fjh> Scribe: John Wray
13:57:35 <fjh> Present: John Wray, Frederick Hirsch, Thomas Roessler, Sean Mullan, Rob Miller, Pratik Datta, Konrad Lanz, Juan Carlos Cruellas, Donald Eastlake, Shivaram Mysore, Ed SImon, Bruce Rich
13:58:29 <fjh> action-165 delete
13:58:47 <fjh> action-165 close
13:58:54 <jwray> trackbot, delete ACTION-165
13:58:54 <trackbot> Sorry, jwray, I don't understand 'trackbot, delete ACTION-165'. Please refer to http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc for help
13:59:14 <fjh> trackbot, close action-165
13:59:14 <trackbot> ACTION-165 Repeat schema tests with updated rnc schema closed
13:59:26 <fjh> RRSAgent, generate minutes
13:59:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/10-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh
14:00:44 <Zakim> -Frederick_Hirsch
14:00:47 <Zakim> -jwray
14:00:47 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended
14:00:49 <Zakim> Attendees were jwray, Thomas, Frederick_Hirsch, Ed_Simon, +1.857.222.aaaa, shivaram, +1.650.575.aabb, deastlak, sean, pdatta, brich, rdmiller, jcc, +1.857.362.aacc, klanz2