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14:51:02 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
14:51:02 <Norm> Date: 5 June 2008
14:51:02 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/06/05-agenda
14:51:02 <Norm> Meeting: 114
14:51:02 <Norm> Chair: Norm
14:51:03 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
14:51:07 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
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14:58:27 <Norm> Zakim, this will be xproc
14:58:27 <Zakim> ok, Norm; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:33 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started
14:58:38 <Zakim> +Vojtech
14:58:40 <Zakim> +Norm
15:00:14 <Norm> Regrets: Paul
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15:03:36 <Zakim> +??P36
15:03:42 <AndrewF> zakim, ? is Andrew
15:03:42 <Zakim> +Andrew; got it
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15:05:41 <Zakim> + +1.857.362.aaaa
15:06:01 <Norm> Zakim, aaa is ruilopes 
15:06:01 <Zakim> sorry, Norm, I do not recognize a party named 'aaa'
15:06:05 <Norm> Zakim, aaaa is ruilopes 
15:06:05 <Zakim> +ruilopes; got it
15:06:21 <ht> zakim, please call ht-781
15:06:21 <Zakim> ok, ht; the call is being made
15:06:23 <Zakim> +Ht
15:06:56 <Norm> Zakim, who's on the phone?
15:06:56 <Zakim> On the phone I see Norm, Vojtech, Andrew, ruilopes, Ht
15:07:34 <Norm> Present: Norm, Vojtech, Andrew, Rui, Henry, Richard
15:07:45 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
15:07:45 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/06/05-agenda
15:07:57 <Norm> Accepted.
15:08:02 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
15:08:02 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/29-minutes
15:08:11 <Norm> Accepted.
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15:08:23 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting: 12 June 2008
15:08:38 <Zakim> +??P15
15:08:41 <richard> zakim, ? is me
15:08:41 <Zakim> +richard; got it
15:08:44 <Norm> Norm gives likely regrets
15:09:02 <Norm> Henry to chair if Norm sends an agenda in time
15:09:26 <Norm> Rui gives regrets for 12 June
15:09:35 <Norm> Andrew gives regrets for 12, 19 June
15:10:16 <Norm> Topic: Kind of node matched
15:10:28 <Norm> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2008May/0035.html
15:11:02 <Norm> Norm: I think the thrust here is that we should be more explicit in all our steps
15:11:25 <Norm> Henry: If it is the case that there's a majority case, then we could document that and only document exceptions
15:12:38 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to incorporate the suggestion to clarify the types of nodes matched by the steps into the next draft
15:14:33 <Norm> Some discussion of (public-)xproc-dev@w3.org list; action on Henry ongoing
15:15:27 <Norm> Vojtech: We should align error codes for matched nodes of the wrong type.
15:15:40 <Norm> Norm: So a single error code for "you got the node type wrong"?
15:15:53 <Norm> Vojtech: Or one for each kind of error.
15:16:40 <Norm> Norm: I think that's a good idea. 
15:17:22 <Norm> Henry: We could have errors for text-node-not-allowed, element-node-not-allowed, etc.
15:17:32 <Norm> Norm: Ok, I agree that's more informative.
15:18:19 <Norm> Proposal: Replace random dynamic errors for this case with a set of five, one for each node type.
15:18:34 <Norm> Accepted.
15:18:53 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to replace the random dynamic errors with the five so agreed
15:19:03 <Norm> Topic: p:pack
15:19:56 <Norm> Wait until Mohamed is present,
15:20:00 <Norm> s/present,/present./
15:20:09 <Norm> Topic: pfx:atomic-step
15:20:53 <Norm> Vojech: I think it's about the same prefix that we're using for built-in steps and extension steps.
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15:21:46 <Norm> Norm: Right. I'll fix that.
15:22:18 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to fix the patterns so that they don't have the same prefix in 4.7 and 4.8
15:22:32 <Norm> MoZ, is that what you wanted for the pfx:atomic-step comment?
15:22:49 <Norm> Topic: Questions about p:http-request
15:23:22 <Norm> Vojtech: A couple of points; first, one of the examples is still using c:http-request/c:http-request.
15:23:25 <Norm> Norm: Ok, that's a bug.
15:24:20 <MoZ> Norm, sorry I just joined so I don't have access to IRC history, I'll take a look to the minutes after the telcon
15:24:25 <Norm> Vojtech: In Section 7.1.9.3 there's an attribute @detailed which if it's set to false, it's not clear what the step should generate.
15:25:42 <Norm> Vojtech: I think that if detailed=false, the c:response is not generated.
15:25:47 <Norm> ACTION: Alex to investigate
15:27:13 <Norm> Vojtech: And then there's the question of what to do if the response is a multipart response where there are nested multiparts.
15:27:51 <Norm> Norm: It's not immediately clear that that makes sense for us, but we should investigate.
15:28:03 <Norm> ACTION: Alex to investigate
15:28:19 <Norm> Vojtech: Two more things.
15:28:28 <MSM> zakim, please call MSM-617
15:28:28 <Zakim> ok, MSM; the call is being made
15:28:30 <Zakim> +MSM
15:29:01 <Norm> ...In Section 7.1.9.2 there are two conditions: if the content-type is XML or the encoding is base64 or not.
15:29:22 <Norm> ...Then different things can happen, but it seems to me that if the content-type is XML and encoding is base64 then the result is unspecified.
15:30:04 <Norm> Norm: I think the right thing is decode it and parse it, but we should say that.
15:30:08 <Norm> ACTION: Alex to fix.
15:30:43 <Norm> Vojtech: The last one is more of a question, in 7.1.9.4 there's a note about text/html
15:31:20 <Norm> ...that says it'll be base64 encoded. But earlier it says that text types aren't encoded that way.
15:31:27 <Norm> ...So I wonder what the right answer is.
15:32:13 <Norm> Norm: Yeah, that does seem strange. I'd have expected the text to just be escaped markup.
15:32:55 <Norm> Topic: Any other business
15:33:18 <Norm> None heard.
15:33:29 <Zakim> -MSM
15:33:30 <Zakim> -richard
15:33:32 <Zakim> -Norm
15:33:33 <Zakim> -Vojtech
15:33:35 <Zakim> -ruilopes
15:33:36 <Zakim> -Andrew
15:33:36 <Norm> RRSAgent, set logs world-visible
15:33:37 <Zakim> XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
15:33:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Vojtech, Norm, Andrew, +1.857.362.aaaa, ruilopes, Ht, richard, MSM
15:33:42 <Norm> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:33:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/05-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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