IRC log of xhtml on 2008-06-04

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/04-xhtml-irc
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13:28:59 [Steven]
zakim, this will be xhtml
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ok, Steven; I see IA_XHTML2()9:45AM scheduled to start in 17 minutes
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rrsagent, make log public
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Meeting: XHTML2 WG Weekly Teleconference
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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0014
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Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Jun/0014
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IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has now started
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+Roland
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/04-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
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rrsagent, make log public
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Chair: Roland
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Regrets: Tina
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zakim, code?
13:45:52 [Zakim]
the conference code is 94865 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), markbirbeck
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Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-xhtml-minutes
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+ShaneM
13:48:01 [Steven]
zakim, dial steven-617
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ok, Steven; the call is being made
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+Steven
13:48:06 [Steven]
zakim, who is here?
13:48:06 [Zakim]
On the phone I see Roland, ShaneM, Steven (muted)
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On IRC I see Steven, markbirbeck, Roland, Zakim, RRSAgent, ShaneM, Lachy
13:48:30 [Zakim]
+??P8
13:48:53 [Steven]
zakom, ??P8 is Alessio
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azkim, ??P8 is Alessio
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zakim, ??P8 is Alessio
13:49:16 [Zakim]
+Alessio; got it
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+markbirbeck
13:51:09 [ShaneM]
Scribe: ShaneM
13:53:13 [Steven]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/04-xhtml-minutes.html Steven
13:53:32 [Steven]
Chair: Roland
13:53:41 [ShaneM]
Alessio noted that this channel is no longer being publicly logged.
13:53:49 [ShaneM]
Topic: XHR review and dependencies
13:54:29 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/TR/XMLHttpRequest/
13:54:38 [oedipus]
regrets+ Gregory_Rosmaita
13:54:59 [ShaneM]
Mark reviewed the XHR spec. It indicates there is a dependency on HTML5. however, the spec doesn't really bear this out except to indicate the window object should have an appropriate method.
13:55:47 [ShaneM]
Roland suggests that we send in a note and indicate that the XHTML 2 working group supports Mark's position.
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13:56:09 [ShaneM]
Steven thinks that there are possibly another couple of weeks in the review period after the last HCG meeting.
13:56:29 [ShaneM]
Steven points out that there should be no dpeendency on HTML - anything could use XHR. XForms for example.
13:56:46 [ShaneM]
s/dpeendency/dependency/
13:57:03 [Zakim]
+??P1
13:57:17 [yamx]
zakim, ??P1 is yamx
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+yamx; got it
13:57:44 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/2008/05/23-hcg-minutes
13:58:07 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/2008/05/23-hcg-minutes#item07
13:58:08 [Steven]
JB: Think we may need more time than 2 June.
13:58:08 [Steven]
... We have a f2f on 9th, so 15th would be a good extended deadline
13:58:25 [Steven]
CMN: That would be fine.
13:58:25 [Steven]
... have not pinged i18n
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... but will
13:58:36 [ShaneM]
Mark points out that there are multiple ways to create an XHR object independent of an XHR object. There is no real dependency on the window object.
13:59:21 [ShaneM]
ACTION: markbirbeck to send a formal response from the XHTML 2 Working Group about XHR
14:00:35 [ShaneM]
We have an interest because of XML Events, XML Events 2, XHTML 1.1, etc.
14:01:47 [ShaneM]
s/markbirbeck/ShaneM/
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TOPIC: M12N Transition
14:04:38 [ShaneM]
Steven reports that we had a transition call with Steve Bratt and Chris Lilley. Went well. We were asked to transition to PR. ShaneM is updating the spec and implementation report. Steven is preparing the draft directors decision.
14:05:12 [ShaneM]
The directors decision needs to explain that the unaccepted comments were out of scope because we were not entertaining changes to modules in this revision.
14:06:15 [ShaneM]
Steven is drafting materials for comms.
14:07:18 [ShaneM]
ShaneM says he will have materials ready by CoB tomorrow.
14:07:53 [ShaneM]
TOPIC: XHTML Basic 1.1 Transition
14:09:08 [ShaneM]
We are meeting on Friday about it.
14:09:26 [ShaneM]
Steven has another implementation that supports inputmode and he is working with it.
14:09:48 [ShaneM]
However, Steve Bratt agreed that only one was required for the transition call.
14:10:42 [ShaneM]
The requirement is that there be an implementation of the feature... so having two would be a good thing.
14:18:39 [ShaneM]
ACTION: Roland to add time on the f2f agenda for discussing aria integration with XHTML.
14:24:57 [ShaneM]
TOPIC: XHTML Role
14:25:37 [ShaneM]
Mark is concerned about the role values from the ARIA spec. He thinks there might be collisions with the values for ARIA attributes.
14:25:43 [ShaneM]
ShaneM thinks there is no overlap.
14:26:20 [Zakim]
-markbirbeck
14:26:22 [ShaneM]
ACTION: ShaneM to ensure that there is no overlap between our vocab# values and the rest of the ARIA stuff.
14:26:34 [ShaneM]
TOPIC: XFrames
14:27:57 [ShaneM]
Alessio has a page that has some findings but is not on IRC so cannot send us the URI.
14:29:01 [Roland]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xhtml2/2008Apr/0087.html
14:30:19 [ShaneM]
There are some tests pointed to that will help us evaluate support for this frame architecture in existing user agents.
14:31:20 [ShaneM]
Roland asks whether we could get more examples up on the wiki and then work through them when Alessio has IRC access.
14:31:39 [ShaneM]
ACTION: Alessio to put the writeup and examples up on the wiki so we can explore it
14:32:48 [ShaneM]
Alessio agrees this is somewhat tricky because we are using scripting to support the model. But we need something to test against.
14:36:04 [ShaneM]
TOPIC: XHTML 1.1
14:36:11 [ShaneM]
Added inputmode to it
14:37:21 [ShaneM]
Need a normative definition of the Schema implementation for Ruby. We can include it in the 1.1 draft.
14:38:03 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/
14:38:12 [ShaneM]
Steven suggests that we tell the Ruby owners to update their spec with the Schema implementation as well.
14:39:29 [ShaneM]
ShaneM thinks an update to Ruby would just be a PER. I18N owns the spec, but the spec has an informative link to the DTD implementation now.
14:39:52 [Steven]
http://www.w3.org/TR/ruby/xhtml-ruby-1.mod
14:40:55 [ShaneM]
Our impl is at http:/'/www.w3.org/MarkUp/SCHEMA/xhtml-ruby-1.xsd
14:41:10 [ShaneM]
ACTION: Steven to contact I18N group about updating Ruby.
14:41:19 [ShaneM]
original action item about updating Ruby complete.
14:42:22 [Roland]
http://www.w3.org/2007/08/15-xhtml-minutes.html#action03
14:44:01 [ShaneM]
Still need that integration set example.... let's see if we can find that.
14:44:44 [ShaneM]
Note that this action is really related to M12N 1.1, not XHTML 1.1 SE
14:46:07 [ShaneM]
Yam asks if the M12N 1.1 transition effects XHTML Basic 1.1 at all?
14:46:08 [Zakim]
-Alessio
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-yamx
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-Steven
14:46:10 [ShaneM]
No it does not./
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-ShaneM
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-Roland
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IA_XHTML2()9:45AM has ended
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Attendees were Roland, ShaneM, Steven, Alessio, markbirbeck, yamx
14:46:48 [Roland]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/04-xhtml-minutes.html Roland
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