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12:37:54 <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs public
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12:37:56 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
12:37:56 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 23 minutes
12:37:57 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
12:37:57 <trackbot-ng> Date: 03 June 2008
12:42:38 <fjh> fjh has joined #xmlsec
12:43:01 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
12:43:01 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has not yet started, fjh
12:43:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
12:45:01 <jwray> jwray has joined #xmlsec
12:47:24 <fjh> Chair: Frederick Hirsch
12:47:35 <fjh> trackbot-ng, start telcon
12:47:37 <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs public
12:47:39 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be XMLSEC
12:47:39 <Zakim> ok, trackbot-ng; I see T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM scheduled to start in 13 minutes
12:47:40 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: XML Security Specifications Maintenance Working Group Teleconference
12:47:40 <trackbot-ng> Date: 03 June 2008
12:47:49 <fjh> Chair: Frederick Hirsch
12:48:55 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has now started
12:48:58 <fjh> Regrets: Juan Carlos Cruellas, Rob Miller
12:49:02 <Zakim> +jwray
12:49:14 <fjh> Scribe: John Wray
12:49:55 <jwray> Yes, I'm ready.
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12:53:43 <jcc> Frederic, I do not know if the emails that I sent to you and thomas on the meeting in Barcelona have arrived: I have been told that our mail server is experiencing problems for sending emails....
12:53:53 <tlr> jcc, they have arrived
12:53:59 <tlr> http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Group/barcelona.html
12:54:26 <jcc> OK... I forgot to look at the archive... sorry...thanks..see you
12:54:40 <tlr> sure
12:54:59 <tlr> yep
12:55:39 <sean> sean has joined #xmlsec
12:58:01 <fjh> zakim, what is the code?
12:58:01 <Zakim> the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), fjh
12:58:08 <Zakim> +Frederick_Hirsch
12:58:28 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
12:58:28 <Zakim> On the phone I see jwray, Frederick_Hirsch
12:58:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see sean, jcc, jwray, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
12:58:55 <shivaram> shivaram has joined #xmlsec
12:59:11 <Zakim> + +1.408.907.aaaa
12:59:34 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is shivaram
12:59:34 <Zakim> +shivaram; got it
12:59:39 <pdatta> pdatta has joined #xmlsec
12:59:40 <Zakim> +sean
12:59:49 <tlr> zakim, call thomas-781
12:59:49 <Zakim> ok, tlr; the call is being made
12:59:51 <Zakim> +Thomas
13:00:14 <Zakim> +Ed_Simon
13:00:20 <shivaram> zakim, mute me
13:00:20 <Zakim> shivaram should now be muted
13:00:38 <Zakim> +James_Nurthen
13:00:58 <EdS> EdS has joined #xmlsec
13:01:43 <fjh> zakim, James_Nurthen is Pratik
13:01:43 <Zakim> +Pratik; got it
13:01:50 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:01:50 <Zakim> On the phone I see jwray, Frederick_Hirsch, shivaram (muted), sean, Thomas, Ed_Simon, Pratik
13:01:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see EdS, pdatta, shivaram, sean, jcc, jwray, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
13:03:35 <fjh> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0001.html
13:03:55 <fjh> Topic: Administrative
13:04:02 <klanz2> klanz2 has joined #xmlsec
13:04:47 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:04:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see jwray, Frederick_Hirsch, shivaram (muted), sean, Thomas, Ed_Simon, Pratik
13:04:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see klanz2, EdS, pdatta, shivaram, sean, jcc, jwray, fjh, Zakim, RRSAgent, tlr, trackbot-ng
13:05:57 <Zakim> + +1.781.904.aabb
13:06:13 <fjh> zakim, aabb is klanz2
13:06:13 <Zakim> +klanz2; got it
13:06:17 <jwray> fjh: Next meeting June 17th, Bruce to scribe.
13:06:37 <jwray> TOPIC: Minutes from 2008-05-20
13:06:48 <fjh> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/20-xmlsec-minutes.html
13:06:56 <Zakim> +Hal
13:07:18 <jwray> RESOLUTION: Minutes approved
13:07:23 <jwray> TOPIC: Upcoming XML Security WG
13:07:53 <fjh> instructions for joining http://www.w3.org/2004/01/pp-impl/42458/instructions
13:07:55 <jwray> fjh: Register for F2F RSN, instructions in agenda.
13:08:21 <fjh> F2F for next WG planned. 16-17 July, Barcelona.
13:08:22 <hal> hal has joined #xmlsec
13:08:38 <fjh> logistics http://www.w3.org/2008/xmlsec/Group/barcelona.html
13:09:42 <fjh> Technical Plenary / Advisory Committee Meetings Week, 20 - 24 October 2008
13:09:52 <fjh> XML Security scheduled Monday 20 October - Tuesday 21 October.
13:10:02 <fjh> Schedule: http://www.w3.org/2008/10/TPAC/Schedule
13:10:22 <jwray> TOPIC: XML Signature, Syntax and Processing (Second Edition)  Proposed Edited Recommendation
13:11:34 <tlr> q+
13:11:35 <klanz2> +1
13:11:57 <klanz2> ... to keep this slot
13:12:11 <klanz2> q+
13:12:32 <PHB2> PHB2 has joined #xmlsec
13:12:49 <fjh> ack tlr
13:12:54 <klanz2> q-
13:13:25 <PHB2> zakim, code?
13:13:25 <Zakim> the conference code is 965732 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), PHB2
13:13:34 <Zakim> +PHB
13:13:35 <jwray> tlr:  Charter for current WG expires June30
13:14:55 <Zakim> +deastlak
13:15:18 <klanz2> I'm fine
13:15:25 <shivaram> I am ok 
13:15:40 <jwray> RESOLUTION: Additional call next week
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13:16:35 <klanz2> I should be signed up already, tlr can you confirm that?
13:16:44 <tlr> klanz2, yep
13:16:53 <fjh> q?
13:17:02 <jwray> TOPIC: XML Signature, Syntax and Processing (Second Edition)  Proposed Edited Recommendation
13:18:23 <tlr> we can carry on the best practices into the new group, no problem with that
13:18:36 <jwray> fjh: Deliverables completed, Best Practices still in-progress
13:18:56 <klanz2> whirlpool?
13:19:52 <klanz2> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Mar/0002.html
13:20:04 <fjh> Topic: Signature Second Edition RFC
13:20:19 <tlr> q+
13:20:37 <fjh> ietf internet draft produced and posted by Donald, then WG can review
13:20:50 <fjh> ack tlr
13:20:54 <klanz2> q+
13:22:12 <fjh> ack klanz
13:22:16 <jwray> Donald will send draft ID to list prior to publication for short mail review. by WG.
13:22:28 <fjh> s/mail/email/
13:22:48 <fjh> ID)
13:23:05 <fjh> s/ID/Internet Draft/
13:24:05 <jwray> TOPIC: Relax NG Schema Update
13:24:35 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008May/0033.html
13:25:11 <fjh> Object can have mixed content
13:25:21 <fjh> the optional KeyInfo doesn't seem to actually work
13:26:08 <fjh> I have contacted Norm Walsh with this additional information
13:26:35 <jwray> TOPIC: Best Practices
13:27:49 <klanz2> JCC seems to be on the chat however
13:28:28 <fjh> sean: organize by audience
13:28:58 <jwray> Organize by 3 audiences: Implementors, validators, Signers
13:30:00 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008May/0038.html 
13:31:10 <fjh> implementors implies security library, validators and signers refers to application level
13:32:32 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008May/0036.html
13:33:22 <fjh> pratik comment http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008May/0037.html
13:33:39 <fjh> sean - we should say why we give advice in addition to advice
13:34:07 <fjh> ... issues less serious if validate sig first, give earlier in doc that advice
13:34:51 <Zakim> -klanz2
13:35:20 <fjh> pratik: implementers first, order of operations first, most important
13:37:16 <jwray> ACTION: pratik to update doc 
13:37:16 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-162 - Update doc  [on Pratik Datta - due 2008-06-10].
13:38:31 <jwray> ...based on changes in email conversation
13:39:37 <jwray> RESOLUTION: BP doc should be re-organized baed on email discussion; Pratik to edit doc.
13:39:46 <Zakim> +??P0
13:39:48 <jwray> s/baed/based/
13:40:08 <fjh> zakim, p0 is klanz
13:40:08 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'p0'
13:40:13 <klanz2> zakim, mute me
13:40:13 <Zakim> sorry, klanz2, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
13:40:20 <tlr> zakim, ??P0 is klanz2
13:40:20 <Zakim> +klanz2; got it
13:40:22 <tlr> zakim, mute klanz2
13:40:22 <Zakim> klanz2 should now be muted
13:41:30 <klanz2> not yet ...
13:42:09 <fjh> Discussion of whether denial of service tests were in fact effective denial of service - not clear yet to others.
13:42:21 <fjh> discussion re see what you sign...
13:42:53 <fjh> some implementations cache what is signed, and can then compare...
13:43:04 <fjh> sean - ability to re-digest input
13:43:21 <klanz2> q+
13:44:04 <fjh> ack klanz
13:44:54 <fjh> pratik message http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0004.html
13:45:24 <klanz2> zakim, mute me
13:45:24 <Zakim> klanz2 should now be muted
13:45:35 <klanz2> I redail
13:45:40 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
13:45:41 <Zakim> -klanz2
13:45:51 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: jwray (14%), Frederick_Hirsch (23%), sean (13%), deastlak (60%)
13:46:13 <fjh> zakim, mute deastlak
13:46:13 <Zakim> deastlak should now be muted
13:46:18 <Zakim> + +1.857.362.aacc
13:46:19 <Zakim> - +1.857.362.aacc
13:46:40 <Zakim> +??P0
13:46:53 <fjh> zakim, p0 is klanz
13:46:53 <Zakim> sorry, fjh, I do not recognize a party named 'p0'
13:47:06 <fjh> zakim ??P0 is klanz
13:47:18 <fjh> zakim, ??P0 is klan
13:47:18 <Zakim> +klan; got it
13:47:28 <fjh> zakim, klan is klanz2
13:47:28 <Zakim> +klanz2; got it
13:49:39 <sean> still lots of noise on phone
13:50:45 <fjh> zakim, who is making noise?
13:51:03 <Zakim> fjh, listening for 15 seconds I heard sound from the following: klanz2 (97%), jwray (100%), Frederick_Hirsch (14%)
13:52:15 <fjh> may need APIs for accessing nodeset information...
13:52:26 <klanz2> zakim, mute me
13:52:26 <Zakim> klanz2 should now be muted
13:52:28 <tlr> zakim, mute klanz2
13:52:28 <Zakim> klanz2 was already muted, tlr
13:53:20 <fjh> Time Stamp comments from Juan Carlos
13:53:40 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008May/0030.html
13:54:05 <klanz2> I need to leave in a minute anyway, so if we  want to talk about streaming we may want to that next week
13:54:07 <klanz2> q+
13:54:19 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0005.html
13:55:30 <fjh> ack klanz
13:58:05 <tlr> zakim, mute klanz2
13:58:06 <Zakim> klanz2 should now be muted
13:58:13 <klanz2> zakim, mute me
13:58:13 <Zakim> klanz2 was already muted, klanz2
13:58:48 <klanz2> zakim, unmute me
13:58:48 <Zakim> klanz2 should no longer be muted
13:58:51 <jwray> Klanz: streaming discussion.   Digest can't be checked until message has been completely processed.
13:59:10 <tlr> +1 to moving it to the new group
13:59:28 <tlr> TLS would be an example
13:59:29 <fjh> suggest discussing in next XMLSec WG.
14:00:36 <tlr> zakim, mute klanz2
14:00:36 <Zakim> klanz2 should now be muted
14:00:54 <klanz2> zakim, unmute me
14:00:54 <Zakim> klanz2 should no longer be muted
14:01:42 <pdatta> +q
14:01:57 <tlr> zakim, mute klanz2
14:01:57 <Zakim> klanz2 should now be muted
14:01:58 <fjh> ack pdatta
14:02:02 <Zakim> -PHB
14:02:34 <fjh> pratik: streaming big topic, had presentation at workshop, should be in next WG.
14:02:41 <hal> q+
14:03:19 <jwray> fjh:  Defer streaming discussion to next WG.
14:04:04 <fjh> ack hal
14:05:02 <klanz2> zakim, unmute me
14:05:02 <Zakim> klanz2 should no longer be muted
14:05:49 <klanz2> q-
14:05:52 <klanz2> bye
14:06:15 <Zakim> -klanz2
14:06:23 <fjh> hal: need to have reasonable reachable problem, e.g. better define problem, e.g. process linearly, chunks etc, define assumptions
14:06:50 <fjh> Time Stamp comments from Juan Carlos
14:06:57 <fjh> Topic: Time Stamp comments from Juan Carlos
14:07:08 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008May/0030.html
14:08:48 <jwray> fjh: First comment is editorial - suggest accepting, second needs more discussion.
14:09:48 <jwray> RESOLUTION: Accept first change in Juan-carlos' message.
14:10:01 <jwray> ACTION: pratik to add to doc.
14:10:02 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-163 - Add to doc. [on Pratik Datta - due 2008-06-10].
14:12:10 <jwray> TOPIC: Action item review
14:12:33 <jwray> ACTION-151 closed
14:12:38 <jwray> ACTION-151: closed
14:12:39 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-151 Implement don Eastlake's changes to xml signature home page notes added
14:12:53 <fjh> see http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0000.html
14:13:21 <jwray> ACTION-154: closed
14:13:21 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-154 Make transition request for test case document notes added
14:13:24 <fjh> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-xmlsec-maintwg/2008Jun/0000.html
14:14:14 <fjh> action 153 open
14:14:15 <tlr> ACTION-154 closed
14:14:52 <shivaram> Sorry, I have to drop off for another meeting.  Bye
14:15:02 <Zakim> -shivaram
14:15:08 <jwray> ACTION 159 open
14:15:28 <jwray> ACTION 160 closed
14:15:39 <jwray> ACTION 161 closed
14:15:46 <tlr> ACTION-160 closed
14:15:46 <fjh> see http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/Overview.html
14:15:48 <tlr> ACTION-161 closed
14:16:11 <tlr> ACTION-158?
14:16:11 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-158 -- Frederick Hirsch to check on status with customer. -- due 2008-05-27 -- OPEN
14:16:11 <trackbot-ng> http://www.w3.org/2007/xmlsec/Group/track/actions/158
14:16:32 <tlr> ACTION-158: on thomas
14:16:32 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-158 Check on status with customer. notes added
14:16:32 <jwray> ACTION 158 reassigned to tlr
14:18:00 <Zakim> -Hal
14:18:02 <Zakim> -sean
14:18:10 <Zakim> -Pratik
14:18:12 <Zakim> -Ed_Simon
14:18:17 <pdatta> pdatta has left #xmlsec
14:18:38 <tlr> trackbot-ng, close ACTION-154
14:18:38 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-154 Make transition request for test case document closed
14:18:47 <tlr> trackbot-ng, close ACTION-160
14:18:47 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-160 Add more documentation to the Best Practices document for his examples closed
14:18:51 <tlr> trackbot-ng, close ACTION-161
14:18:51 <trackbot-ng> ACTION-161 Add link to best practices example directory to WG administrative page closed
14:19:05 <tlr> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:19:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
14:19:07 <fjh> Zakim, list participants
14:19:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jwray, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.408.907.aaaa, shivaram, sean, Thomas, Ed_Simon, Pratik, +1.781.904.aabb, klanz2, Hal, PHB, deastlak,
14:19:10 <Zakim> ... +1.857.362.aacc
14:19:11 <tlr> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:19:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
14:20:25 <fjh> Present: Frederick Hirsch, Donald Eastlake, Thomas Roessler, Shivaram Mysore, Ed Simon, Phill Hallam Baker, Hal Lockhart, Sean Mullan, Konrad Lanz, Pratik
14:20:30 <tlr> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:20:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
14:20:31 <fjh> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:20:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-minutes.html fjh
14:20:51 <Zakim> -deastlak
14:21:07 <tlr> Present: JohnWray
14:21:10 <tlr> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:21:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
14:21:21 <tlr> argh
14:21:31 <tlr> present: Frederick Hirsch, Donald Eastlake, Thomas Roessler, Shivaram Mysore, Ed Simon, Phill Hallam Baker, Hal Lockhart, Sean Mullan, Konrad Lanz, Pratik, JohnWray
14:21:36 <tlr> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:21:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-xmlsec-minutes.html tlr
14:22:16 <Zakim> -Frederick_Hirsch
14:22:26 <Zakim> -jwray
14:23:07 <Zakim> -Thomas
14:23:08 <Zakim> T&S_XMLSEC()9:00AM has ended
14:23:09 <Zakim> Attendees were jwray, Frederick_Hirsch, +1.408.907.aaaa, shivaram, sean, Thomas, Ed_Simon, Pratik, +1.781.904.aabb, klanz2, Hal, PHB, deastlak, +1.857.362.aacc