14:54:42 RRSAgent has joined #mwts 14:54:42 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc 14:54:47 RRSAgent, make log public 14:54:47 Zakim, this will be TS 14:54:52 Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf 14:55:36 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Jun/0000.html 14:55:42 Chair: Dom 14:55:45 Regrets: Dmitri 14:56:46 Carmelo has joined #mwts 14:59:57 MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started 15:00:06 + +47.24.16.aaaa 15:00:34 +??P27 15:01:31 +Carmelo 15:03:26 +Dom 15:03:40 aaaa is Wilhelm 15:03:44 zakim, aaaa is Wilhelm 15:03:44 +Wilhelm; got it 15:03:55 zakim, ??27 is KaiHendry 15:03:55 sorry, dom, I do not recognize a party named '??27' 15:04:00 zakim, ??P27 is KaiHendry 15:04:00 +KaiHendry; got it 15:04:28 Topic: Web Compatibility Test for Mobile Browsers 15:05:15 -> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/wctmb/ Gallery of screenshots of mobile browsers rendering the test 15:06:17 Dom: pretty good feedback from various people, quite a good outreach 15:06:32 Wilhelm: reading blogs, most people seemed interested to know which browsers passed or not 15:06:48 hendry has joined #mwts 15:07:26 -> http://www.w3.org/blog/MWITeam/2008/04/22/first_results_of_web_compatibility_test First results of Web Compatibility Test 15:09:26 ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the https:// test [CLOSED] 15:10:29 Dom: W3C doesn't have an appropriate HTTPs server 15:10:42 ... suggest we keep it as is for now, given that it probably doesn't affect so many people 15:10:51 WURFL 15:11:21 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Apr/0040.html Leveraging WURFL with WCTMB 15:12:10 Action: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [DROPPED] 15:15:11 Dom: don't think we can interface the WCTMB with WURLF, given that the data are not collected in a machine readable format 15:15:20 ... maybe we could do that with the test harness, though 15:15:26 ... will reply to the commenter 15:15:35 contenteditable 15:16:00 Action: Wilhelm to check the test for "contenteditable attribute" [CLOSED] 15:16:23 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008May/0014.html Fixing contenteditable attribute 15:16:43 ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable bug 15:17:02 serving the test through PHP 15:17:30 ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user agent appearing [PENDING] 15:18:55 sidenote: what is the cvs checkout url for the test? was looking for it earlier and couldn't find it. cvsweb would be good too. 15:19:21 http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/mobile-test/ 15:19:46 Improving test documentation 15:20:55 ACTION: Wilhelm to look at a mapping scheme from test to specs and test suites. [PENDING] 15:21:21 @media handheld 15:21:50 Kai: I discussed it with Wilhelm last week - I now agree with Wilhelm 15:22:23 Wilhelm: various browsers have moved away to rely on @media handheld; webkit doesn't, opera doesn't by default 15:23:26 Testing for inputmode 15:24:34 Kai: the CSS test that we have about min-width, is it how people detect fullscreen nowaways? 15:25:21 Dom: that's CSS Media Queries - that's what e.g. the IPhone uses to have iphone-specific stylesheets 15:26:40 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Jun/0005.html a possible test for inputmode 15:27:21 Wilhelm: I'm all for it, but I'm a bit worried that Opera would be shown as passing it, while it doesn't really implement it 15:28:20 Dom: we could put a caveat in the documentation about how superficial the test is 15:28:48 Wilhelm: I vote for including 15:28:59 Kai: I'd like to test it for a week or so 15:29:31 ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for review 15:29:52 Harder SVG test 15:30:14 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Apr/0035.html slightly more difficult svg tests 15:30:32 ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test 15:31:13 Color scheme unreadable for color-blind 15:33:07 Kai: I was hoping to work around the problem through the use of unicode characters 15:33:19 ... but there are probably much more unicode-blind people than color-blind :) 15:35:07 dom: we could offer a separate version - e.g. in black and white 15:35:20 ... by providing a separate style sheet 15:35:28 Kai: it's not only the style sheet - there are the images too 15:35:42 dom: we could have the images automatically generated 15:35:55 wilhelm: we have the same problem internally 15:36:05 ... a separate version sounds good 15:36:41 ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version of the tests with a different color scheme 15:37:14 Wilhem: we need 3 more tests to get a good looking grid 15:37:43 Kai: I'm thinking of helping advertising the test 15:38:18 http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/04/is_your_mobile_browser_ready_f.html 15:38:32 ... will try to get it covered by a couple of news site 15:38:39 s/site/sites/ 15:39:16 Wilhelm: could we ask for feedback on the blog? 15:39:26 Kai: has anyone contacted Ian Hickson? 15:40:01 Wilhelm: I did, but didn't get any concrete suggestions 15:40:19 Topic: Charter extension 15:40:44 ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] 15:41:43 -Carmelo 15:41:44 -KaiHendry 15:41:46 -Dom 15:41:46 -Wilhelm 15:41:46 MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended 15:41:48 Attendees were +47.24.16.aaaa, Carmelo, Dom, Wilhelm, KaiHendry 15:42:00 s/dom: ->/dom_scribe: ->/g 15:42:54 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:42:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html dom 15:45:17 s/ ->/ ->/g 15:45:18 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:45:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html dom 15:45:59 s/ http/ -> http/ 15:46:05 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:46:05 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html dom 16:10:29 Zakim, bye 16:10:30 Zakim has left #mwts 16:10:30 RRSAgent, bye 16:10:30 I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-actions.rdf : 16:10:30 ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the https:// test [CLOSED] [1] 16:10:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-09-26 16:10:30 ACTION: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [DROPPED] [2] 16:10:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-12-10 16:10:30 ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable bug [3] 16:10:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-16-43 16:10:30 ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user agent appearing [PENDING] [4] 16:10:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-17-30 16:10:30 ACTION: Wilhelm to look at a mapping scheme from test to specs and test suites. [PENDING] [5] 16:10:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-20-55 16:10:30 ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for review [6] 16:10:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-29-31 16:10:30 ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test [7] 16:10:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-30-32 16:10:30 ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version of the tests with a different color scheme [8] 16:10:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-36-41 16:10:30 ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] [9] 16:10:30 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-40-44