IRC log of mwts on 2008-06-03
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- RRSAgent, make log public
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- Zakim, this will be TS
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- ok, dom; I see MWI_TSWG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 6 minutes
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- Meeting: MWI Test Suites Working Group teleconf
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Jun/0000.html
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- Chair: Dom
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- Regrets: Dmitri
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- MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has now started
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- + +47.24.16.aaaa
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- +??P27
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- +Carmelo
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- +Dom
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- aaaa is Wilhelm
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- zakim, aaaa is Wilhelm
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- +Wilhelm; got it
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- zakim, ??27 is KaiHendry
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- sorry, dom, I do not recognize a party named '??27'
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- zakim, ??P27 is KaiHendry
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- +KaiHendry; got it
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- Topic: Web Compatibility Test for Mobile Browsers
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- -> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/wctmb/ Gallery of screenshots of mobile browsers rendering the test
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- Dom: pretty good feedback from various people, quite a good outreach
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- Wilhelm: reading blogs, most people seemed interested to know which browsers passed or not
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- -> http://www.w3.org/blog/MWITeam/2008/04/22/first_results_of_web_compatibility_test First results of Web Compatibility Test
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- ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the https:// test [CLOSED]
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- Dom: W3C doesn't have an appropriate HTTPs server
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- ... suggest we keep it as is for now, given that it probably doesn't affect so many people
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- WURFL
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Apr/0040.html Leveraging WURFL with WCTMB
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- Action: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [DROPPED]
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- Dom: don't think we can interface the WCTMB with WURLF, given that the data are not collected in a machine readable format
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- ... maybe we could do that with the test harness, though
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- ... will reply to the commenter
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- contenteditable
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- Action: Wilhelm to check the test for "contenteditable attribute" [CLOSED]
- 15:16:23 [dom]
- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008May/0014.html Fixing contenteditable attribute
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- ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable bug
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- serving the test through PHP
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- ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user agent appearing [PENDING]
- 15:18:55 [hendry]
- sidenote: what is the cvs checkout url for the test? was looking for it earlier and couldn't find it. cvsweb would be good too.
- 15:19:21 [dom]
- http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2008/mobile-test/
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- Improving test documentation
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- ACTION: Wilhelm to look at a mapping scheme from test to specs and test suites. [PENDING]
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- @media handheld
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- Kai: I discussed it with Wilhelm last week - I now agree with Wilhelm
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- Wilhelm: various browsers have moved away to rely on @media handheld; webkit doesn't, opera doesn't by default
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- Testing for inputmode
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- Kai: the CSS test that we have about min-width, is it how people detect fullscreen nowaways?
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- Dom: that's CSS Media Queries - that's what e.g. the IPhone uses to have iphone-specific stylesheets
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Jun/0005.html a possible test for inputmode
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- Wilhelm: I'm all for it, but I'm a bit worried that Opera would be shown as passing it, while it doesn't really implement it
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- Dom: we could put a caveat in the documentation about how superficial the test is
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- Wilhelm: I vote for including
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- Kai: I'd like to test it for a week or so
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- ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for review
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- Harder SVG test
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- -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-mwts/2008Apr/0035.html slightly more difficult svg tests
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- ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test
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- Color scheme unreadable for color-blind
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- Kai: I was hoping to work around the problem through the use of unicode characters
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- ... but there are probably much more unicode-blind people than color-blind :)
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- dom: we could offer a separate version - e.g. in black and white
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- ... by providing a separate style sheet
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- Kai: it's not only the style sheet - there are the images too
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- dom: we could have the images automatically generated
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- wilhelm: we have the same problem internally
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- ... a separate version sounds good
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- ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version of the tests with a different color scheme
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- Wilhem: we need 3 more tests to get a good looking grid
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- Kai: I'm thinking of helping advertising the test
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- http://www.w3.org/QA/2008/04/is_your_mobile_browser_ready_f.html
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- ... will try to get it covered by a couple of news site
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- s/site/sites/
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- Wilhelm: could we ask for feedback on the blog?
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- Kai: has anyone contacted Ian Hickson?
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- Wilhelm: I did, but didn't get any concrete suggestions
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- Topic: Charter extension
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- ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING]
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- -Carmelo
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- -KaiHendry
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- -Dom
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- -Wilhelm
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- MWI_TSWG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were +47.24.16.aaaa, Carmelo, Dom, Wilhelm, KaiHendry
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html dom
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html dom
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- s/<dom> http/<dom_scribe> -> http/
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-minutes.html dom
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- Zakim, bye
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 9 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Dom to check if W3C has a server to host the https:// test [CLOSED] [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-09-26
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- ACTION: Carmelo to took at the WURFL XML file [DROPPED] [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-12-10
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- ACTION: Wilhelm to check on the report of contenteditable bug [3]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-16-43
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- ACTION: Dom to get the test served through PHP with user agent appearing [PENDING] [4]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-17-30
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- ACTION: Wilhelm to look at a mapping scheme from test to specs and test suites. [PENDING] [5]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-20-55
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- ACTION: Dom to implement the inputmode test and send for review [6]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-29-31
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- ACTION: Dom to look into the harder SVG test [7]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-30-32
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- ACTION: Dom to look into setting up an alternative version of the tests with a different color scheme [8]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-36-41
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- ACTION: Dom to request charter extension for 6 more months [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/15-mwts-minutes.html#action07] [PENDING] [9]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/03-mwts-irc#T15-40-44