IRC log of au on 2008-06-02

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-irc
19:54:51 [Jan]
Zakim, this will be AUWG
19:54:51 [Zakim]
ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 54 minutes ago
19:54:58 [Jan]
Meeting: WAI AU
19:55:31 [Jan]
Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008AprJun/0069.html
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Regrets: Andrew R., Roberto S., Reed S.
19:57:43 [Zakim]
WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
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+jeanne
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+[IBM]
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+??P10
20:01:03 [Jan]
zakim, ??P10 is really Jan
20:01:03 [Zakim]
+Jan; got it
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+Treviranus
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-Treviranus
20:01:25 [jeanne]
zakim, [IBM] is MichaelS
20:01:25 [Zakim]
+MichaelS; got it
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+Treviranus
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+ +1.703.678.aaaa
20:03:28 [Jan]
Chair: Jutta Treviranus
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Scribe: Jeanne
20:04:27 [Jan]
zakim, +1.703.678.aaaa is really GPisocky
20:04:27 [Zakim]
+GPisocky; got it
20:05:30 [Greg]
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ACTION: All to Send additions/revisions on ATAG2 Implementation
20:08:09 [Jan]
Repository to JR/JS
20:09:05 [Zakim]
+ +2
20:09:10 [AnnM]
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20:09:12 [jeanne]
JT: Legislation draft being presented that ATAG Authoring tools required for Accessibility Act Information Standard
20:10:40 [jeanne]
topic + rechartering
20:10:49 [jeanne]
topic: rechartering
20:11:17 [Jan]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2008/draft_auwg_charter_27may08.html
20:12:39 [Tim]
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20:13:22 [jeanne]
JS: read from Mike's email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008AprJun/0059.html
20:13:40 [jeanne]
MS:It caught my attention that I didn't know what it was.
20:13:58 [jeanne]
JT: This is a text base criteria, first do this, then that.
20:14:21 [jeanne]
JR: TB has a draft and some material for this.
20:14:41 [Tim]
What is topic (I'm only on IRC today)
20:14:46 [jeanne]
JT: There were many more if then dependencies in ATAG 1. It could be simplified.
20:15:25 [jeanne]
topic is the charter and whether more information on testmaterial is necessary in the charter
20:15:31 [Jan]
zakim, who's making noise?
20:15:33 [Tim]
thanks
20:15:42 [Zakim]
Jan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.617.324.aaaa (48%), +2 (14%), Jan (18%)
20:17:36 [jeanne]
JT: It gives us greater flexibility in coordinating with other groups.
20:18:04 [jeanne]
RESOLVED: Keep charter wording loosely worded on the Other Deliverables test materials.
20:18:33 [jeanne]
JT: We will also work with EO and collaborate with them in creating an FAQ.
20:18:59 [jeanne]
JR: "Other minor supporting documents, e.g. FAQ, as required."
20:19:42 [Tim]
do we need to be plugged in to the WAI-AGE TF (out of EO)?
20:19:50 [jeanne]
s/documents/documents for ATAG 2.0
20:21:02 [jeanne]
JR: who do we say we have dependency on? With WAI-AGE, we may not have a dependency, but we may want to liaison with them.
20:21:39 [Tim]
Also what about TSDTF (test sample development task force)?
20:21:51 [Greg]
yes
20:22:34 [jeanne]
JS: Do we need to adjust the milestones?
20:22:41 [jeanne]
JR: do it.
20:22:56 [jeanne]
JS: ACTION: Jeanne will adjust the milestones.
20:23:46 [jeanne]
s/milestones./milestones by two months for the charter.
20:24:49 [jeanne]
JT: Getting it done earlier would be wonderful.
20:26:03 [jeanne]
JR: Can we send it to WAI CG and Judy?
20:26:33 [Tim]
I agree
20:27:21 [jeanne]
ACTION: Jeanne will make the agreed edits and send them to Judy.
20:27:42 [jeanne]
s/edits/edits to the charter
20:28:47 [jeanne]
topic: Face2face
20:29:04 [jeanne]
Mike will attend in person
20:29:26 [jeanne]
AnnM needs the hotel details so determine whether she can attend.
20:30:00 [jeanne]
Greg has a 90% chance of being there.
20:30:16 [jeanne]
Tim is teaching a class and will be attending by phone.
20:30:30 [jeanne]
topic: Harmonization with WCAG 2
20:31:14 [jeanne]
JR: this is a better organization of the material.
20:31:34 [jeanne]
JR: Should we suggest it to WCAG?
20:31:56 [jeanne]
AnnM: It's an improvement in my experience.
20:32:41 [jeanne]
JR: Even if WCAG doesn't organize this way, should we still go ahead with this organiation?
20:33:00 [jeanne]
s/organiation/organization
20:33:51 [jeanne]
JR: WCAG is now calling it "Time Based Media". It's not a normative change, just a reordering.
20:34:40 [jeanne]
ACTION: JR follow up with WCAG to determine if they are willing to change their organization of Guideline A.2.2
20:35:29 [jeanne]
JR: We want to use the same terms, except in the places where we call out the differences.
20:36:12 [Jan]
http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20/#glossary
20:36:35 [Jan]
http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#glossary
20:37:18 [jeanne]
JR: To properly harmonize, we need to use WCAG wording.
20:37:43 [jeanne]
JS: Being close to WCAG is good enough, I don't like the use of Notes.
20:38:01 [jeanne]
JT: If we want to use a different term, we should use a different word.
20:38:29 [Tim]
I think we should use same terminology unless we can't and then we should document why we can't
20:38:39 [jeanne]
??:Harmonization means that we can propose better wording to them. We are not subordinent to them.
20:39:09 [Tim]
don't disagree with that
20:39:24 [jeanne]
s/??/GP
20:40:12 [jeanne]
MS:We should suggest the better wording to have better usability of the document.
20:40:59 [jeanne]
JT: I think we should assess harmonization on a case by case basis to see where there is a better definition.
20:41:52 [jeanne]
GP: If harmonization means negotiation and discussion, I agree, but not if harmonization means that WCAG dictates what we can say, no.
20:42:37 [jeanne]
ACTION: JS and JR will review the ATAG documents and propose changes to the WCAG editors.
20:43:10 [jeanne]
s/editors/public comments
20:43:11 [Jan]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008AprJun/0061.html
20:44:25 [jeanne]
topic: other success criteria harmonization
20:44:32 [jeanne]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008AprJun/0061.html
20:44:53 [jeanne]
Success Criteria in WCAG that don't have a 1 to 1 match with ATAG.
20:45:13 [jeanne]
JR: is risk averse to changing normative text when there were no negative public comments.
20:45:51 [Zakim]
-MichaelS
20:47:20 [jeanne]
topic: WCAG2 checkpoints that are not covered in ATAG.
20:47:25 [jeanne]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008AprJun/0061.html near the bottom.
20:48:02 [jeanne]
JR: ATAG doesn't cover resize of text, Reading level, images of text.
20:48:30 [jeanne]
JT: But aren't these related to content rather than the tool?
20:48:54 [jeanne]
AM: Is this menu options or chrome, or help text?
20:49:10 [jeanne]
JR: both. Nothing is driven by content being authored.
20:51:12 [jeanne]
JR: We didn't think that it was appropriate to require a tool to lower reading level for a technical audience, but the general poor quality of help systems might indicate that there should be some work here.
20:51:34 [jeanne]
AM: There needs to be a level of explanation of the jargon.
20:52:16 [jeanne]
JR: Can someone take this on? Can someone study whether or not the guidelines being missing is a problem?
20:52:36 [jeanne]
GP: had done an earlier mapping that could be revived.
20:53:40 [jeanne]
ACTION: GP will look at the earlier mapping with WCAG and evaluate if changes need to be made.
20:54:07 [Zakim]
-GPisocky
20:54:15 [jeanne]
Next meeting in two weeks on June 16.
20:54:27 [Zakim]
- +2
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- +1.617.324.aaaa
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-Treviranus
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WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended
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Attendees were jeanne, Jan, Treviranus, MichaelS, GPisocky, +2
20:54:53 [AnnM]
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20:55:02 [jeanne]
zakim, aaaa is jeanne
20:55:02 [Zakim]
sorry, jeanne, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
20:57:23 [jeanne]
present+ AnnM
20:57:43 [jeanne]
present+ Tim
20:57:49 [jeanne]
present?
20:58:01 [jeanne]
Zakim, present?
20:58:01 [Zakim]
I don't understand your question, jeanne.
20:58:37 [jeanne]
zakim, part
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20:59:02 [jeanne]
rrsagent, draft minutes
20:59:02 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-minutes.html jeanne
21:00:06 [jeanne]
rrsagent, set logs public
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s/topic + rechartering/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-minutes.html jeanne
21:03:00 [jeanne]
s/testmaterial/test material
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s/details so determine/details to determine
21:08:40 [jeanne]
rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-minutes.html jeanne
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s/present?/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-minutes.html jeanne
21:21:09 [jeanne]
rrsagent, part
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I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: All to Send additions/revisions on ATAG2 Implementation [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-irc#T20-08-08
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ACTION: Jeanne will make the agreed edits and send them to Judy. [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-irc#T20-27-21
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ACTION: JR follow up with WCAG to determine if they are willing to change their organization of Guideline A.2.2 [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-irc#T20-34-40
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ACTION: JS and JR will review the ATAG documents and propose changes to the WCAG editors. [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-irc#T20-42-37
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ACTION: GP will look at the earlier mapping with WCAG and evaluate if changes need to be made. [5]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-irc#T20-53-40