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19:54:51 <Jan> Zakim, this will be AUWG 
19:54:51 <Zakim> ok, Jan; I see WAI_AUWG()3:00PM scheduled to start 54 minutes ago
19:54:58 <Jan> Meeting: WAI AU 
19:55:31 <Jan> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008AprJun/0069.html
19:56:18 <Jan> Regrets: Andrew R., Roberto S., Reed S.
19:57:43 <Zakim> WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has now started
19:58:04 <Zakim> +jeanne
19:59:30 <Zakim> +[IBM]
20:00:48 <Zakim> +??P10
20:01:03 <Jan> zakim, ??P10 is really Jan
20:01:03 <Zakim> +Jan; got it
20:01:19 <Zakim> +Treviranus
20:01:21 <Zakim> -Treviranus
20:01:25 <jeanne> zakim, [IBM] is MichaelS
20:01:25 <Zakim> +MichaelS; got it
20:01:48 <Zakim> +Treviranus
20:03:14 <Zakim> + +1.703.678.aaaa
20:03:28 <Jan> Chair: Jutta Treviranus
20:03:34 <Jan> Scribe: Jeanne
20:04:27 <Jan> zakim, +1.703.678.aaaa is really GPisocky
20:04:27 <Zakim> +GPisocky; got it
20:05:30 <Greg> Greg has joined #au
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20:08:08 <Jan> ACTION: All to Send additions/revisions on ATAG2 Implementation
20:08:09 <Jan> Repository to JR/JS 
20:09:05 <Zakim> + +2
20:09:10 <AnnM> AnnM has joined #au
20:09:12 <jeanne> JT: Legislation draft being presented that ATAG Authoring tools required for Accessibility Act Information Standard
20:10:40 <jeanne> topic + rechartering
20:10:49 <jeanne> topic: rechartering
20:11:17 <Jan> http://www.w3.org/WAI/AU/2008/draft_auwg_charter_27may08.html
20:12:39 <Tim> Tim has joined #au
20:13:22 <jeanne> JS: read from Mike's email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008AprJun/0059.html
20:13:40 <jeanne> MS:It caught my attention that I didn't know what it was.
20:13:58 <jeanne> JT: This is a text base criteria, first do this, then that. 
20:14:21 <jeanne> JR: TB has a draft and some material for this. 
20:14:41 <Tim> What is topic (I'm only on IRC today)
20:14:46 <jeanne> JT: There were many more if then dependencies in ATAG 1. It could be simplified. 
20:15:25 <jeanne> topic is the charter and whether more information on testmaterial is necessary in the charter
20:15:31 <Jan> zakim, who's making noise?
20:15:33 <Tim> thanks
20:15:42 <Zakim> Jan, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: +1.617.324.aaaa (48%), +2 (14%), Jan (18%)
20:17:36 <jeanne> JT: It gives us greater flexibility in coordinating with other groups.
20:18:04 <jeanne> RESOLVED: Keep charter wording loosely worded on the Other Deliverables test materials. 
20:18:33 <jeanne> JT: We will also work with EO and collaborate with them in creating an FAQ.
20:18:59 <jeanne> JR: "Other minor supporting documents, e.g. FAQ, as required."
20:19:42 <Tim> do we need to be plugged in to the WAI-AGE TF (out of EO)?
20:19:50 <jeanne> s/documents/documents for ATAG 2.0
20:21:02 <jeanne> JR: who do we say we have dependency on? With WAI-AGE, we may not have a dependency, but we may want to liaison with them. 
20:21:39 <Tim> Also what about TSDTF (test sample development task force)?
20:21:51 <Greg> yes
20:22:34 <jeanne> JS: Do we need to adjust the milestones?
20:22:41 <jeanne> JR: do it. 
20:22:56 <jeanne> JS: ACTION: Jeanne will adjust the milestones. 
20:23:46 <jeanne> s/milestones./milestones by two months for the charter. 
20:24:49 <jeanne> JT: Getting it done earlier would be wonderful. 
20:26:03 <jeanne> JR: Can we send it to WAI CG and Judy? 
20:26:33 <Tim> I agree
20:27:21 <jeanne> ACTION: Jeanne will make the agreed edits and send them to Judy.
20:27:42 <jeanne> s/edits/edits to the charter
20:28:47 <jeanne> topic: Face2face
20:29:04 <jeanne> Mike will attend in person
20:29:26 <jeanne> AnnM needs the hotel details so determine whether she can attend. 
20:30:00 <jeanne> Greg has a 90% chance of being there.
20:30:16 <jeanne> Tim is teaching a class and will be attending by phone.
20:30:30 <jeanne> topic: Harmonization with WCAG 2
20:31:14 <jeanne> JR: this is a better organization of the material. 
20:31:34 <jeanne> JR: Should we suggest it to WCAG?
20:31:56 <jeanne> AnnM: It's an improvement in my experience. 
20:32:41 <jeanne> JR: Even if WCAG doesn't organize this way, should we still go ahead with this organiation?
20:33:00 <jeanne> s/organiation/organization
20:33:51 <jeanne> JR: WCAG is now calling it "Time Based Media". It's not a normative change, just a reordering.
20:34:40 <jeanne> ACTION: JR follow up with WCAG to determine if they are willing to change their organization of Guideline A.2.2
20:35:29 <jeanne> JR: We want to use the same terms, except in the places where we call out the differences. 
20:36:12 <Jan> http://www.w3.org/TR/ATAG20/#glossary
20:36:35 <Jan> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20/#glossary
20:37:18 <jeanne> JR: To properly harmonize, we need to use WCAG wording. 
20:37:43 <jeanne> JS: Being close to WCAG is good enough, I don't like the use of Notes. 
20:38:01 <jeanne> JT: If we want to use a different term, we should use a different word. 
20:38:29 <Tim> I think we should use same terminology unless we can't and then we should document why we can't  
20:38:39 <jeanne> ??:Harmonization means that we can propose better wording to them. We are not subordinent to them. 
20:39:09 <Tim> don't disagree with that
20:39:24 <jeanne> s/??/GP
20:40:12 <jeanne> MS:We should suggest the better wording to have better usability of the document. 
20:40:59 <jeanne> JT: I think we should assess harmonization on a case by case basis to see where there is a better definition.
20:41:52 <jeanne> GP: If harmonization means negotiation and discussion, I agree, but not if harmonization means that WCAG dictates what we can say, no. 
20:42:37 <jeanne> ACTION: JS and JR will review the ATAG documents and propose changes to the WCAG editors. 
20:43:10 <jeanne> s/editors/public comments
20:43:11 <Jan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008AprJun/0061.html
20:44:25 <jeanne> topic: other success criteria harmonization
20:44:32 <jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008AprJun/0061.html
20:44:53 <jeanne> Success Criteria in WCAG that don't have a 1 to 1 match with ATAG. 
20:45:13 <jeanne> JR: is risk averse to changing normative text when there were no negative public comments. 
20:45:51 <Zakim> -MichaelS
20:47:20 <jeanne> topic: WCAG2 checkpoints that are not covered in ATAG. 
20:47:25 <jeanne> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/w3c-wai-au/2008AprJun/0061.html near the bottom. 
20:48:02 <jeanne> JR: ATAG doesn't cover resize of text, Reading level, images of text. 
20:48:30 <jeanne> JT: But aren't these related to content rather than the tool?
20:48:54 <jeanne> AM: Is this menu options or chrome, or help text?
20:49:10 <jeanne> JR: both. Nothing is driven by content being authored. 
20:51:12 <jeanne> JR: We didn't think that it was appropriate to require a tool to lower reading level for a technical audience, but the general poor quality of help systems might indicate that there should be some work here. 
20:51:34 <jeanne> AM: There needs to be a level of explanation of the jargon. 
20:52:16 <jeanne> JR: Can someone take this on? Can someone study whether or not the guidelines being missing is a problem? 
20:52:36 <jeanne> GP: had done an earlier mapping that could be revived.
20:53:40 <jeanne> ACTION: GP will look at the earlier mapping with WCAG and evaluate if changes need to be made. 
20:54:07 <Zakim> -GPisocky
20:54:15 <jeanne> Next meeting in two weeks on June 16.
20:54:27 <Zakim> - +2
20:54:36 <Zakim> - +1.617.324.aaaa
20:54:40 <Zakim> -Treviranus
20:54:41 <Zakim> WAI_AUWG()3:00PM has ended
20:54:42 <Zakim> Attendees were jeanne, Jan, Treviranus, MichaelS, GPisocky, +2
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20:55:02 <jeanne> zakim, aaaa is jeanne
20:55:02 <Zakim> sorry, jeanne, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
20:57:23 <jeanne> present+ AnnM
20:57:43 <jeanne> present+ Tim
20:57:49 <jeanne> present?
20:58:01 <jeanne> Zakim, present?
20:58:01 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, jeanne.
20:58:37 <jeanne> zakim, part
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20:59:02 <jeanne> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:59:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-minutes.html jeanne
21:00:06 <jeanne> rrsagent, set logs public
21:01:40 <jeanne> s/topic + rechartering/
21:01:50 <jeanne> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:01:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-minutes.html jeanne
21:03:00 <jeanne> s/testmaterial/test material
21:04:04 <jeanne> s/details so determine/details to determine
21:08:40 <jeanne> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:08:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-minutes.html jeanne
21:09:17 <jeanne> s/present?/
21:09:27 <jeanne> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:09:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-minutes.html jeanne
21:21:09 <jeanne> rrsagent, part
21:21:09 <RRSAgent> I see 5 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-actions.rdf :
21:21:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: All to Send additions/revisions on ATAG2 Implementation [1]
21:21:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-irc#T20-08-08
21:21:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Jeanne will make the agreed edits and send them to Judy. [2]
21:21:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-irc#T20-27-21
21:21:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JR follow up with WCAG to determine if they are willing to change their organization of Guideline A.2.2 [3]
21:21:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-irc#T20-34-40
21:21:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: JS and JR will review the ATAG documents and propose changes to the WCAG editors.  [4]
21:21:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-irc#T20-42-37
21:21:09 <RRSAgent> ACTION: GP will look at the earlier mapping with WCAG and evaluate if changes need to be made.  [5]
21:21:09 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/06/02-au-irc#T20-53-40