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12:22:17 <shadi> zakim, this will be ert
12:22:17 <Zakim> ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
12:22:25 <shadi> meeting: ERT WG
12:22:30 <shadi> chair: Shadi
12:23:00 <shadi> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008May/0012.html
12:23:15 <shadi> agenda+ "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF"
12:23:25 <shadi> agenda+ "Representing Content in RDF"
12:23:37 <shadi> agenda+ Draft ERT WG Charter
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12:29:31 <shadi> zakim, code?
12:29:31 <Zakim> the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
12:29:39 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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12:29:46 <Zakim> +??P6
12:29:54 <shadi> zakim, ??p6 is really me
12:29:54 <Zakim> +shadi; got it
12:29:57 <Zakim> +[IBM]
12:30:17 <shadi> zakim, ibm is really Mike
12:30:17 <Zakim> +Mike; got it
12:30:39 <Zakim> +CarlosV
12:30:48 <JohannesK> Zakim, CarlosV is really Johannes
12:30:48 <Zakim> +Johannes; got it
12:32:08 <shadi> scribe: Mike
12:32:13 <shadi> scribenick: MikeS
12:32:45 <shadi> regrets: CarlosI
12:33:12 <MikeS> zakim, mute me
12:33:12 <Zakim> sorry, MikeS, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
12:33:20 <MikeS> zakim, mute mike
12:33:20 <Zakim> Mike should now be muted
12:33:39 <shadi> zakim, Mike is really MikeS
12:33:39 <Zakim> +MikeS; got it
12:33:46 <MikeS> ok
12:34:45 <shadi> agenda?
12:35:01 <shadi> zakim, take up agendum 1
12:35:01 <Zakim> agendum 1. ""HTTP Vocabulary in RDF"" taken up [from shadi]
12:35:11 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20080526
12:35:40 <MikeS> SAZ: Changes from telecon on 05/21 have been completed and are in latest editor's draft
12:35:55 <MikeS> ..JK sent more comments and fixes are in place
12:36:39 <MikeS> ....will clean up references and history sections
12:37:14 <MikeS> ...work on 1) status of document and 2) are we willing to publish as is?
12:37:59 <MikeS> ...any pubilcation show-stoppers?
12:38:07 <MikeS> +1
12:38:51 <MikeS> ok
12:39:09 <shadi> action: SAZ remove "namespace" from table 2 (these are not namespaces)
12:39:44 <MikeS> ...note that we do not have 2/3 of group present
12:40:00 <MikeS> ....follow-up with CI and CV for any last-minute comments
12:40:39 <shadi> RESOLUTION: go ahead with publishing HTTP Vocabulary in RDF
12:41:12 <MikeS> SAZ: What are we looking for from public feedback and status?
12:41:24 <MikeS> ...how these documents relate to POWDR
12:42:06 <Zakim> +Johannes.a
12:42:13 <MikeS> ...feedback from other semantic web groups
12:42:21 <CarlosV> CarlosV has joined #er
12:42:40 <MikeS> CV: no ojbections to publication
12:43:44 <MikeS> SAZ: in particular, how schema performs and is evaluated by other semantic web groups and technologies
12:43:56 <MikeS> ...Mobile Web group also interested in serialization of HTTP
12:45:15 <MikeS> ..question for Mobile Web is how our XML representation would "play" with their representation
12:47:24 <shadi> zakim, take up next
12:47:24 <Zakim> agendum 2. ""Representing Content in RDF"" taken up [from shadi]
12:47:35 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Content/WD-Content-in-RDF-20080327
12:48:18 <MikeS> SAZ: very well-written; many comments already incorporated
12:48:28 <MikeS> ...abstract too brief
12:48:42 <MikeS> definitely
12:49:12 <MikeS> ...merge section 1.3 use cases into itnroduction
12:49:31 <MikeS> Quick question - why is XMLContent not a sublcass of TextContent?
12:51:01 <MikeS> JK: separate classes bc they have different properties; e.g. XmlContent does not have chars but might be representation of in-memory DOM
12:51:24 <MikeS> ok - just curious from a new-commers perspective
12:51:54 <MikeS> JK: TextContent could be subclass of Base64Content since text could be represented that way
12:51:59 <MikeS> got it.
12:53:54 <MikeS> CV: too brief and possibly redundant
12:54:23 <MikeS> ...content in RDF is a complementary document to Http in RDF so don't want to spend too much time on it
12:54:52 <MikeS> no
12:55:58 <MikeS> SAZ: keep in mind that this a distinct publication and needs a context
12:56:19 <MikeS> ...people could randomly land on the document and abstract should spell out relationships and context
12:57:06 <MikeS> agree - especially spelling out the rleationships to EARL and Http in RDF
12:58:30 <MikeS> SAZ: part of a suite
13:00:00 <MikeS> ...mimick format of Http in RDF
13:00:47 <MikeS> third bullet says, "http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Content/WD-Content-in-RDF-20080327
13:01:38 <MikeS> SAZ: can we have a provisional relation to publish contingent upon discussion of abstract on mailing list?
13:02:26 <MikeS> third bullet implicitly refers to EARL - might be a good palce to actually repeat or reiterate the relationship once abstract/intro is redone
13:02:45 <MikeS> under use cases
13:02:54 <MikeS> zakim, unmute me
13:02:54 <Zakim> MikeS should no longer be muted
13:04:59 <shadi> http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/earl.php
13:05:31 <MikeS> SAZ: WAI web site lists all publications and relationships betwen them
13:05:46 <MikeS> ...who is each doc for, what is it used for, etc.
13:06:14 <MikeS> ...is it worth pointing back to this URL
13:06:24 <MikeS> ..to provide an overview for first-time readers
13:06:27 <MikeS> zakim, mute me
13:06:27 <Zakim> MikeS should now be muted
13:07:41 <MikeS> given our time-frame, +1 for working it out on list
13:08:42 <shadi> RESOLUTION: go ahead with publishing Representing Content in RDF, pending changes to the abstract and introduction sections
13:09:24 <shadi> action: CV to provide an updated abstract and introduction section for Representing Content in RDF document
13:10:04 <shadi> zakim, take up next
13:10:04 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Draft ERT WG Charter" taken up [from shadi]
13:10:52 <MikeS> SAZ: publication of charter must occur in June so little time left
13:11:28 <MikeS> ..time line needs adjustment; far too agressive
13:11:48 <MikeS> ...on the other hand, need to push as far as possible to get EARL out
13:11:56 <shadi> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008May/0006
13:12:01 <MikeS> zakim, unmute me
13:12:01 <Zakim> MikeS should no longer be muted
13:14:57 <MikeS> SAZ: heading is missing bc missing in W3C-wide template
13:16:04 <MikeS> MS: test description language part of charter for a potential deliverable?
13:18:54 <MikeS> SAZ: need to recruit members and otehr development/test organizations for feedback, requirements, and support
13:19:17 <MikeS> ...part of TCDL is in Bentoweb project
13:19:58 <MikeS> CV: +1 for committing resources to effort
13:20:46 <MikeS> JK: +1
13:21:08 <MikeS> SAZ: believe CI was also interested so unanimity in effort
13:21:27 <MikeS> ...how does it look in teh charter?
13:22:25 <MikeS> ...proposed an analysis and requirements document as a deliverable
13:22:56 <MikeS> ...once completed, we can recharter with more specific deliverables
13:23:27 <JohannesK> RDFa test case descriptions: <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/rdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf>
13:23:38 <MikeS> ...workging group note
13:26:06 <MikeS> SAZ: in parallel with completion of EARL, consider a reorientation of the group
13:26:25 <MikeS> ...test description languages
13:26:53 <MikeS> ...how does EARL and supplementary docs fit into toher W3C work - RDFA, POWDER, Content Transformation, Mobile web
13:27:39 <MikeS> ...focus deliverable that describs how EARL fits into these other efforts
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13:30:38 <EtnaRosso> hi all, hi shadi
13:30:50 <EtnaRosso> Is a meeting in progress here?
13:30:56 <shadi> yes
13:30:59 <CarlosV> Christophe's analysis: http://bentoweb.org/html/BenToWeb_D4.1.html (Test Suites' State of the Art and Quality Assurance Methods for W3C  Recommendations)
13:31:31 <CarlosV> Date: 28 February 2005 (a little bit old)
13:31:53 <EtnaRosso> see you
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13:36:18 <MikeS> SAZ: no meeting Jun 2
13:36:29 <MikeS> ..sorry - Jun 4
13:36:47 <MikeS> on vaca week of Jun 9
13:37:13 <Zakim> -Johannes.a
13:37:15 <Zakim> -Johannes
13:37:18 <Zakim> -shadi
13:39:33 <shadi> zakim, drop mikes
13:39:33 <Zakim> MikeS is being disconnected
13:39:35 <Zakim> WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
13:39:36 <Zakim> Attendees were shadi, Johannes, MikeS
13:39:39 <shadi> zakim, bye
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13:39:44 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:39:47 <shadi> rrsagent, make minutes
13:39:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-minutes.html shadi
13:39:48 <shadi> rrsagent, make logs world
13:39:58 <shadi> rrsagent, bye
13:39:58 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-actions.rdf :
13:39:58 <RRSAgent> ACTION: SAZ remove "namespace" from table 2 (these are not namespaces) [1]
13:39:58 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-irc#T12-39-09
13:39:58 <RRSAgent> ACTION: CV to provide an updated abstract and introduction section for Representing Content in RDF document [2]
13:39:58 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-irc#T13-09-24