IRC log of er on 2008-05-28

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logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-irc
12:22:11 [Zakim]
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12:22:17 [shadi]
zakim, this will be ert
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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes
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meeting: ERT WG
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chair: Shadi
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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008May/0012.html
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agenda+ "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF"
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agenda+ "Representing Content in RDF"
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agenda+ Draft ERT WG Charter
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12:29:31 [shadi]
zakim, code?
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the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started
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+??P6
12:29:54 [shadi]
zakim, ??p6 is really me
12:29:54 [Zakim]
+shadi; got it
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+[IBM]
12:30:17 [shadi]
zakim, ibm is really Mike
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+Mike; got it
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+CarlosV
12:30:48 [JohannesK]
Zakim, CarlosV is really Johannes
12:30:48 [Zakim]
+Johannes; got it
12:32:08 [shadi]
scribe: Mike
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scribenick: MikeS
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regrets: CarlosI
12:33:12 [MikeS]
zakim, mute me
12:33:12 [Zakim]
sorry, MikeS, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
12:33:20 [MikeS]
zakim, mute mike
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Mike should now be muted
12:33:39 [shadi]
zakim, Mike is really MikeS
12:33:39 [Zakim]
+MikeS; got it
12:33:46 [MikeS]
ok
12:34:45 [shadi]
agenda?
12:35:01 [shadi]
zakim, take up agendum 1
12:35:01 [Zakim]
agendum 1. ""HTTP Vocabulary in RDF"" taken up [from shadi]
12:35:11 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20080526
12:35:40 [MikeS]
SAZ: Changes from telecon on 05/21 have been completed and are in latest editor's draft
12:35:55 [MikeS]
..JK sent more comments and fixes are in place
12:36:39 [MikeS]
....will clean up references and history sections
12:37:14 [MikeS]
...work on 1) status of document and 2) are we willing to publish as is?
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...any pubilcation show-stoppers?
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+1
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ok
12:39:09 [shadi]
action: SAZ remove "namespace" from table 2 (these are not namespaces)
12:39:44 [MikeS]
...note that we do not have 2/3 of group present
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....follow-up with CI and CV for any last-minute comments
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RESOLUTION: go ahead with publishing HTTP Vocabulary in RDF
12:41:12 [MikeS]
SAZ: What are we looking for from public feedback and status?
12:41:24 [MikeS]
...how these documents relate to POWDR
12:42:06 [Zakim]
+Johannes.a
12:42:13 [MikeS]
...feedback from other semantic web groups
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12:42:40 [MikeS]
CV: no ojbections to publication
12:43:44 [MikeS]
SAZ: in particular, how schema performs and is evaluated by other semantic web groups and technologies
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...Mobile Web group also interested in serialization of HTTP
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..question for Mobile Web is how our XML representation would "play" with their representation
12:47:24 [shadi]
zakim, take up next
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agendum 2. ""Representing Content in RDF"" taken up [from shadi]
12:47:35 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Content/WD-Content-in-RDF-20080327
12:48:18 [MikeS]
SAZ: very well-written; many comments already incorporated
12:48:28 [MikeS]
...abstract too brief
12:48:42 [MikeS]
definitely
12:49:12 [MikeS]
...merge section 1.3 use cases into itnroduction
12:49:31 [MikeS]
Quick question - why is XMLContent not a sublcass of TextContent?
12:51:01 [MikeS]
JK: separate classes bc they have different properties; e.g. XmlContent does not have chars but might be representation of in-memory DOM
12:51:24 [MikeS]
ok - just curious from a new-commers perspective
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JK: TextContent could be subclass of Base64Content since text could be represented that way
12:51:59 [MikeS]
got it.
12:53:54 [MikeS]
CV: too brief and possibly redundant
12:54:23 [MikeS]
...content in RDF is a complementary document to Http in RDF so don't want to spend too much time on it
12:54:52 [MikeS]
no
12:55:58 [MikeS]
SAZ: keep in mind that this a distinct publication and needs a context
12:56:19 [MikeS]
...people could randomly land on the document and abstract should spell out relationships and context
12:57:06 [MikeS]
agree - especially spelling out the rleationships to EARL and Http in RDF
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SAZ: part of a suite
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...mimick format of Http in RDF
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third bullet says, "http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Content/WD-Content-in-RDF-20080327
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SAZ: can we have a provisional relation to publish contingent upon discussion of abstract on mailing list?
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third bullet implicitly refers to EARL - might be a good palce to actually repeat or reiterate the relationship once abstract/intro is redone
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under use cases
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zakim, unmute me
13:02:54 [Zakim]
MikeS should no longer be muted
13:04:59 [shadi]
http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/earl.php
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SAZ: WAI web site lists all publications and relationships betwen them
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...who is each doc for, what is it used for, etc.
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...is it worth pointing back to this URL
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..to provide an overview for first-time readers
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zakim, mute me
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MikeS should now be muted
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given our time-frame, +1 for working it out on list
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RESOLUTION: go ahead with publishing Representing Content in RDF, pending changes to the abstract and introduction sections
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action: CV to provide an updated abstract and introduction section for Representing Content in RDF document
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zakim, take up next
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agendum 3. "Draft ERT WG Charter" taken up [from shadi]
13:10:52 [MikeS]
SAZ: publication of charter must occur in June so little time left
13:11:28 [MikeS]
..time line needs adjustment; far too agressive
13:11:48 [MikeS]
...on the other hand, need to push as far as possible to get EARL out
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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008May/0006
13:12:01 [MikeS]
zakim, unmute me
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MikeS should no longer be muted
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SAZ: heading is missing bc missing in W3C-wide template
13:16:04 [MikeS]
MS: test description language part of charter for a potential deliverable?
13:18:54 [MikeS]
SAZ: need to recruit members and otehr development/test organizations for feedback, requirements, and support
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...part of TCDL is in Bentoweb project
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CV: +1 for committing resources to effort
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JK: +1
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SAZ: believe CI was also interested so unanimity in effort
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...how does it look in teh charter?
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...proposed an analysis and requirements document as a deliverable
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...once completed, we can recharter with more specific deliverables
13:23:27 [JohannesK]
RDFa test case descriptions: <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/rdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf>
13:23:38 [MikeS]
...workging group note
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SAZ: in parallel with completion of EARL, consider a reorientation of the group
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...test description languages
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...how does EARL and supplementary docs fit into toher W3C work - RDFA, POWDER, Content Transformation, Mobile web
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...focus deliverable that describs how EARL fits into these other efforts
13:30:29 [EtnaRosso]
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13:30:38 [EtnaRosso]
hi all, hi shadi
13:30:50 [EtnaRosso]
Is a meeting in progress here?
13:30:56 [shadi]
yes
13:30:59 [CarlosV]
Christophe's analysis: http://bentoweb.org/html/BenToWeb_D4.1.html (Test Suites' State of the Art and Quality Assurance Methods for W3C Recommendations)
13:31:31 [CarlosV]
Date: 28 February 2005 (a little bit old)
13:31:53 [EtnaRosso]
see you
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13:36:18 [MikeS]
SAZ: no meeting Jun 2
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..sorry - Jun 4
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on vaca week of Jun 9
13:37:13 [Zakim]
-Johannes.a
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-Johannes
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-shadi
13:39:33 [shadi]
zakim, drop mikes
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MikeS is being disconnected
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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
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Attendees were shadi, Johannes, MikeS
13:39:39 [shadi]
zakim, bye
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13:39:44 [shadi]
rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-minutes.html shadi
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rrsagent, make logs world
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: SAZ remove "namespace" from table 2 (these are not namespaces) [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-irc#T12-39-09
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ACTION: CV to provide an updated abstract and introduction section for Representing Content in RDF document [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-irc#T13-09-24