IRC log of er on 2008-05-28

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12:22:17 [shadi]

zakim, this will be ert

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ok, shadi; I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM scheduled to start in 8 minutes

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meeting: ERT WG

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chair: Shadi

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agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008May/0012.html

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agenda+ "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF"

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agenda+ "Representing Content in RDF"

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agenda+ Draft ERT WG Charter

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12:29:31 [shadi]

zakim, code?

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the conference code is 3794 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), shadi

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has now started

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+??P6

12:29:54 [shadi]

zakim, ??p6 is really me

12:29:54 [Zakim]

+shadi; got it

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+[IBM]

12:30:17 [shadi]

zakim, ibm is really Mike

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+Mike; got it

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+CarlosV

12:30:48 [JohannesK]

Zakim, CarlosV is really Johannes

12:30:48 [Zakim]

+Johannes; got it

12:32:08 [shadi]

scribe: Mike

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scribenick: MikeS

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regrets: CarlosI

12:33:12 [MikeS]

zakim, mute me

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sorry, MikeS, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you

12:33:20 [MikeS]

zakim, mute mike

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Mike should now be muted

12:33:39 [shadi]

zakim, Mike is really MikeS

12:33:39 [Zakim]

+MikeS; got it

12:33:46 [MikeS]

ok

12:34:45 [shadi]

agenda?

12:35:01 [shadi]

zakim, take up agendum 1

12:35:01 [Zakim]

agendum 1. ""HTTP Vocabulary in RDF"" taken up [from shadi]

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20080526

12:35:40 [MikeS]

SAZ: Changes from telecon on 05/21 have been completed and are in latest editor's draft

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..JK sent more comments and fixes are in place

12:36:39 [MikeS]

....will clean up references and history sections

12:37:14 [MikeS]

...work on 1) status of document and 2) are we willing to publish as is?

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...any pubilcation show-stoppers?

12:38:07 [MikeS]

+1

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ok

12:39:09 [shadi]

action: SAZ remove "namespace" from table 2 (these are not namespaces)

12:39:44 [MikeS]

...note that we do not have 2/3 of group present

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....follow-up with CI and CV for any last-minute comments

12:40:39 [shadi]

RESOLUTION: go ahead with publishing HTTP Vocabulary in RDF

12:41:12 [MikeS]

SAZ: What are we looking for from public feedback and status?

12:41:24 [MikeS]

...how these documents relate to POWDR

12:42:06 [Zakim]

+Johannes.a

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...feedback from other semantic web groups

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12:42:40 [MikeS]

CV: no ojbections to publication

12:43:44 [MikeS]

SAZ: in particular, how schema performs and is evaluated by other semantic web groups and technologies

12:43:56 [MikeS]

...Mobile Web group also interested in serialization of HTTP

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..question for Mobile Web is how our XML representation would "play" with their representation

12:47:24 [shadi]

zakim, take up next

12:47:24 [Zakim]

agendum 2. ""Representing Content in RDF"" taken up [from shadi]

12:47:35 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Content/WD-Content-in-RDF-20080327

12:48:18 [MikeS]

SAZ: very well-written; many comments already incorporated

12:48:28 [MikeS]

...abstract too brief

12:48:42 [MikeS]

definitely

12:49:12 [MikeS]

...merge section 1.3 use cases into itnroduction

12:49:31 [MikeS]

Quick question - why is XMLContent not a sublcass of TextContent?

12:51:01 [MikeS]

JK: separate classes bc they have different properties; e.g. XmlContent does not have chars but might be representation of in-memory DOM

12:51:24 [MikeS]

ok - just curious from a new-commers perspective

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JK: TextContent could be subclass of Base64Content since text could be represented that way

12:51:59 [MikeS]

got it.

12:53:54 [MikeS]

CV: too brief and possibly redundant

12:54:23 [MikeS]

...content in RDF is a complementary document to Http in RDF so don't want to spend too much time on it

12:54:52 [MikeS]

no

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SAZ: keep in mind that this a distinct publication and needs a context

12:56:19 [MikeS]

...people could randomly land on the document and abstract should spell out relationships and context

12:57:06 [MikeS]

agree - especially spelling out the rleationships to EARL and Http in RDF

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SAZ: part of a suite

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...mimick format of Http in RDF

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third bullet says, "http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/Content/WD-Content-in-RDF-20080327

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SAZ: can we have a provisional relation to publish contingent upon discussion of abstract on mailing list?

13:02:26 [MikeS]

third bullet implicitly refers to EARL - might be a good palce to actually repeat or reiterate the relationship once abstract/intro is redone

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under use cases

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zakim, unmute me

13:02:54 [Zakim]

MikeS should no longer be muted

13:04:59 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/intro/earl.php

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SAZ: WAI web site lists all publications and relationships betwen them

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...who is each doc for, what is it used for, etc.

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...is it worth pointing back to this URL

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..to provide an overview for first-time readers

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zakim, mute me

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MikeS should now be muted

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given our time-frame, +1 for working it out on list

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RESOLUTION: go ahead with publishing Representing Content in RDF, pending changes to the abstract and introduction sections

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action: CV to provide an updated abstract and introduction section for Representing Content in RDF document

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zakim, take up next

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agendum 3. "Draft ERT WG Charter" taken up [from shadi]

13:10:52 [MikeS]

SAZ: publication of charter must occur in June so little time left

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..time line needs adjustment; far too agressive

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...on the other hand, need to push as far as possible to get EARL out

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http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008May/0006

13:12:01 [MikeS]

zakim, unmute me

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MikeS should no longer be muted

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SAZ: heading is missing bc missing in W3C-wide template

13:16:04 [MikeS]

MS: test description language part of charter for a potential deliverable?

13:18:54 [MikeS]

SAZ: need to recruit members and otehr development/test organizations for feedback, requirements, and support

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...part of TCDL is in Bentoweb project

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CV: +1 for committing resources to effort

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JK: +1

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SAZ: believe CI was also interested so unanimity in effort

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...how does it look in teh charter?

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...proposed an analysis and requirements document as a deliverable

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...once completed, we can recharter with more specific deliverables

13:23:27 [JohannesK]

RDFa test case descriptions: <http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/xhtml1-testcases/rdfa-xhtml1-test-manifest.rdf>

13:23:38 [MikeS]

...workging group note

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SAZ: in parallel with completion of EARL, consider a reorientation of the group

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...test description languages

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...how does EARL and supplementary docs fit into toher W3C work - RDFA, POWDER, Content Transformation, Mobile web

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...focus deliverable that describs how EARL fits into these other efforts

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13:30:38 [EtnaRosso]

hi all, hi shadi

13:30:50 [EtnaRosso]

Is a meeting in progress here?

13:30:56 [shadi]

yes

13:30:59 [CarlosV]

Christophe's analysis: http://bentoweb.org/html/BenToWeb_D4.1.html (Test Suites' State of the Art and Quality Assurance Methods for W3C Recommendations)

13:31:31 [CarlosV]

Date: 28 February 2005 (a little bit old)

13:31:53 [EtnaRosso]

see you

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13:36:18 [MikeS]

SAZ: no meeting Jun 2

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..sorry - Jun 4

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on vaca week of Jun 9

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-Johannes.a

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-Johannes

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-shadi

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zakim, drop mikes

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MikeS is being disconnected

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WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were shadi, Johannes, MikeS

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zakim, bye

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13:39:44 [shadi]

rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-minutes.html shadi

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rrsagent, make logs world

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: SAZ remove "namespace" from table 2 (these are not namespaces) [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-irc#T12-39-09

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ACTION: CV to provide an updated abstract and introduction section for Representing Content in RDF document [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/28-er-irc#T13-09-24