14:56:49 RRSAgent has joined #swd 14:56:49 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc 14:56:54 rrsagent, please make record public 14:56:57 Zakim has joined #swd 14:57:02 zakim, this will be swd 14:57:02 ok, Ralph; I see SW_SWD()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes 14:57:13 Meeting: SemWeb Deployment WG 14:57:18 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008May/0052.html 14:57:22 Previous: http://www.w3.org/2008/05/20-swd-minutes.html 14:57:25 Regrets: Margherita (also for 3 June and 10 June), Vit, Simone, Elisa 14:58:32 qhreul has joined #swd 14:58:41 SW_SWD()11:00AM has now started 14:58:48 +qhreul 14:59:13 Guus has joined #swd 14:59:32 +Ralph 14:59:49 dlrubin has joined #swd 15:00:04 +??P44 15:00:21 +??P45 15:00:43 zaki, ??p45 is me 15:01:03 zakim, ??p45 is me 15:01:03 +Guus; got it 15:01:03 Chair: Guus 15:01:12 Clay has joined #swd 15:01:32 zakim, who is here? 15:01:32 On the phone I see qhreul, Ralph, ??P44, Guus 15:01:33 On IRC I see Clay, dlrubin, Guus, qhreul, Zakim, RRSAgent, Antoine, Ralph 15:01:35 berrueta has joined #swd 15:01:59 +Antoine_Isaac 15:02:10 zakim, ??p44 is DLRubin 15:02:11 +DLRubin; got it 15:02:16 +??P52 15:02:20 zakim, ??P52 is me 15:02:21 +berrueta; got it 15:02:27 JonP has joined #swd 15:02:50 TomB has joined #swd 15:03:14 +Jon_Phipps 15:03:39 scribenick: dlrubin 15:03:39 +??P24 15:03:47 zakim, P24 is me 15:03:49 sorry, TomB, I do not recognize a party named 'P24' 15:03:52 zakim, Jon_Phipps is me 15:03:52 +JonP; got it 15:03:56 zakim, ??P24 is me 15:03:58 +TomB; got it 15:04:34 seanb has joined #swd 15:04:37 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/ WG home page 15:05:17 aliman has joined #swd 15:05:22 Meeting: SWD WG 15:05:33 +??P8 15:05:40 zakim, ??P8 is me 15:05:40 +seanb; got it 15:05:43 zakim, who is here? 15:05:43 On the phone I see qhreul, Ralph, DLRubin, Guus, Antoine_Isaac, berrueta, JonP, TomB (muted), seanb 15:05:45 On IRC I see aliman, seanb, TomB, JonP, berrueta, Clay, dlrubin, Guus, qhreul, Zakim, RRSAgent, Antoine, Ralph 15:06:06 + +0186528aaaa 15:07:05 zakim, aaaa is Alistair 15:07:15 +Alistair; got it 15:07:19 +[LC] 15:07:20 zakim, LC is Clay 15:07:27 +Clay; got it 15:07:34 topic: admin 15:07:53 GuusS has joined #swd 15:07:57 Upcoming telecons and scribes - 15:07:57 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/ScribeDuty 15:07:57 Jun 03 Tom - regrets Guus 15:07:57 Jun 10 Guus 15:07:57 Jun 17 Tom 15:07:58 Jun 24 Guus 15:08:12 PROPOSED to accept minutes of the last telecon: 15:08:12 http://www.w3.org/2008/05/20-swd-minutes.html 15:08:40 Ralph: are minutes complete wrt notation stuff? 15:08:54 Guus: resolved we accept minutes. 15:09:05 topic: SKOS 15:09:11 -- Primer (Antoine, Ed) 15:09:11 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SKOS/DraftPrimer 15:09:19 -- Reference (Alistair, Sean) 15:09:19 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/wiki/SkosReference20080125 15:09:29 -- Open issues 15:09:29 http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/3 15:09:38 ACTION: Ed to investigate what text could be added to primer re. concept co-ordination 15:09:38 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/22-swd-minutes.html#action02] 15:09:56 ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass 15:09:56 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/18-swd-minutes.html#action08] 15:10:16 -- CONTINUES 15:11:22 ACTION: alistair and sean to add a note about irreflexivity to Reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action05] 15:12:04 seanb: This is being done in next working draft we publish 15:12:11 --DONE 15:12:28 ACTION: Alistair to check the old namespace wrt dereferencing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action03] 15:12:38 -- CONTINUES 15:12:46 ACTION: Antoine and Ed to add content to Primer about irreflexivity [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action06] 15:12:51 --CONTINUES 15:12:59 ACTION: Guus and Alistair write text for Reference indicating understanding of a possible need for future patterns for n-Ary label relations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action08] 15:13:22 benadida has joined #swd 15:13:27 Guus: no need for this? 15:13:38 +Ben_Adida 15:13:46 Alistair: I'm happy for us to drop this 15:13:50 --DROPPED 15:14:13 ACTION: Ralph compose intermediate pages for http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-skos-core-spec and http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-skos-core-guide/ to inform readers of the paths to the old and new SKOS documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action02] 15:14:20 --CONTINUES 15:14:30 ACTION: Sean and Alistair to send a file for the namespace [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action04] 15:14:44 See -> http://potato.cs.man.ac.uk/2008/05/ 15:15:06 seanb: I'm serving vocabularies on my own machine. You can look at this to see what you'll get for SKOS vocabularies. 15:15:23 --CONTINUES 15:15:31 ACTION: Sean to write a proposal to indicate to OWL WG our requirements for annotation properties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action07] 15:15:37 --CONTINUES 15:15:43 ACTION: Clay will respond to Jakob about the resolution for notations and x-notation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-swd-minutes.html#action01] 15:16:01 --DONE 15:16:09 ACTION: Editors of the Use Cases to clean up the lists of requirements in light of resolutions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-swd-minutes.html#action02] 15:16:10 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008May/0066.html "Notations in SKOS" [Clay 2008-05-27] 15:16:24 --CONTINUES 15:16:39 ACTION: Margherita to liase with author primer about example using plain literals and some with datatype literals [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/20-swd-minutes.html#action17] 15:16:50 +[LC] 15:17:31 ed has joined #swd 15:18:13 Alistair: we had some examples of chemical symbols 15:18:23 ... how do you represent this if we include SKOS notation 15:18:34 ... we need to see more examples and work them through 15:18:57 --CONTINUES 15:19:10 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008May/0055.html "RE: Issue-76: SymbolicLabels" [Margherita 2008-05-26] 15:19:35 Sean: I was expecting a bit more detail than was in Margherita's mail of yesterday 15:19:55 ACTION: Guus to mail his position on issues 72, 73 and 75 to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action25] 15:20:01 --CONTINUES 15:20:53 Guus: over next few weeks we must resolve the open issues in the minutes 15:21:06 ... Do we have enough material--we left this open at the F2F 15:21:15 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/76 issue-76; SymbolicLabels 15:21:15 ... we are now talking about whether to drop them 15:22:05 Alistair: The ongoing discussions are about notation and not symbol labels. We need Margerita's examples. 15:22:19 ... I don't think we can do more there right now 15:22:22 q+ 15:22:39 Alistair: Margherita's examples seem no longer to need symbolic lables 15:22:40 Guus: looks like need for symbolic labels will be dropped 15:22:55 TomB: I propose we drop it 15:23:10 +1 15:23:46 +1 15:24:48 Guus: Proposed not to carry forward SKOS: prefSymbol and altSymbol into the new namespace 15:25:12 ...for lack clear requirements 15:25:34 +1 15:25:36 ...seconds? 15:25:56 --RESOLVED 15:26:16 RESOLVED: not to carry forward SKOS: prefSymbol and altSymbol into the new namespace for lack clear requirements 15:26:29 closes issue-76 15:26:33 s/lack clear/lack of clear/ 15:27:04 -- http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/78 - SubjectIndicators 15:27:05 s/SKOS: pref/skos:pref/ 15:27:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-minutes.html Ralph 15:27:15 s/altSymbol/skos:altSymbol/ 15:27:49 Alistair: I think this is out of scope 15:28:10 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/78 issue-78; SubjectIndicators 15:28:11 PROPOSED: to not carry forward SKOS subject indicators 15:28:19 ...it is out of scope. 15:28:41 Guus: seconds? 15:28:54 I second. 15:28:55 RESOLVED: to not carry forward SKOS subject indicators 15:29:39 s/SKOS subject indicators/skos:subjectIndicator, as it is out of scope/ 15:29:58 -berrueta 15:30:13 -- http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/issues/80 - SKOS-OWL-Patterns 15:30:32 seanb: Question as to how to publish/describe them 15:30:35 [issue-78 closed] 15:31:28 ...I don't see this as part of the technical material to be produced. 15:31:32 I agree with seanb 15:31:41 Guus: we might see if people want to write stuff about this in the primer. 15:31:49 ...This doesn't affect technical design of SKOS. 15:32:11 +[CTIC] 15:32:22 zakim, [CTIC] is me 15:32:22 +berrueta; got it 15:33:15 sean: This doesn't affect the design of what we're doing 15:33:28 Alistair: we've kept our options open in design of SKOS 15:34:05 seanb: we are not saying this isn't important issue. It just need not be in the reference. 15:34:11 ...nor in the primer. 15:34:44 PROPOSAL: to close issue 80 15:35:36 Guus: the technical issues of SKOS/OWL have already been dealt with 15:35:49 ...seconds? 15:36:00 I second 15:36:07 RESOLVED: to close issue 80 15:36:16 [issue-80 closed] 15:36:30 seanb: I'll take an action to keep this going forward 15:36:51 q+ 15:37:25 ACTION: seanb to set up wiki for SKOS/OWL patterns 15:37:51 For the record, i think a SKOS/OWL patterns note would make a great piece of work, and I really hope Alan Rector & Robert Stevens can contribute. 15:37:53 s/patterns/usage 15:38:11 RESOLVED: technical issues of SKOS/OWL have already been dealt with 15:39:38 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008May/0062.html 15:39:56 "progress on SKOS Reference" 15:41:05 Alistair: I have written a new section on mapping properties. Also first draft on extending labels. 15:41:08 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/master.html editors' draft $Revision: 1.34 $ on $Date: 2008/05/27 16:06:19 $ 15:41:29 ...These are the major content pieces of work to produce new editors' draft 15:41:58 ...seanb and I felt we could produce a revised draft by next Tues 15:42:10 Guus: I would be in favor of publishing that draft 15:42:44 ...I propose to publish it as it is without formal review 15:43:01 +1 to publish without formal review 15:43:02 ...How do editors feel about that? 15:43:11 Fine with me. 15:44:08 ACTION: Editors to produce a revised working draft for next week on which we can vote 15:45:23 -> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/SKOS/reference/master.html master SKOS Reference 15:46:15 topic: RDFa 15:46:47 -Alistair 15:46:54 benadida: I have updated primer to include to respond to comments from Ed and Diego. 15:47:15 ...Primer at this point will be ready to go to official working draft. 15:47:41 ...We're not discussing and about to close last substantive issue on tracker. 15:48:10 ...looks like the issue that has been raised is not significant enough to require change in syntax document. 15:48:49 Guus: so we're adead of the agenda. 15:49:09 Ben: the primer is ready to go after I do one more pass over it. 15:50:17 Guus: on June 10 can we make request for candidate rec? 15:50:35 ...The implementation report need not be done by June 10. 15:50:43 Ben: I think June 10 is good goal. 15:52:10 Guus: What we need is a pointer to the docs and an indication how you handled last call comments. 15:52:22 ...you can point to the tracker. 15:52:37 Ralph: I'll have to produce the enumeration for a director decision. 15:52:52 Guus: In Aug, we need implementation report. 15:53:19 Ben: we keep adding new implementations, which has held up faster completion. 15:53:33 yahoo++ 15:53:40 Ralph: At STC, they said searchmonkey will support RDFa. 15:54:01 Ben: They parse pages and it all ends up in RSS with RDFa. 15:54:11 ...they will be parsing RDFa in XHTML. 15:54:36 s/STC/Semantic Technologies Conference 15:54:38 Guus: we could take a decision next week. 15:54:44 s/they said/Yahoo said/ 15:54:53 Ben: just want to make sure we've closed the issues. 15:55:27 ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] 15:55:30 --CONTINUES 15:55:53 topic: RECIPES 15:56:05 ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] 15:56:11 --CONTINUES 15:57:17 ACTION: Ed to review the new Editor's Draft of the Recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action05] 15:57:18 --DONE 15:57:44 ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] 15:57:47 --CONTINUES 15:57:54 -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swd-wg/2008May/0059.html Ed's review of Recipes editors' draft 15:57:57 ACTION: Ralph to review the new Editor's Draft of the Recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action06] 15:57:59 --CONTINUES 15:58:25 Ralph: I will do it this week 15:59:47 topic: VOCABULARY MANAGEMENT 15:59:57 Guus: none of the editors are here 16:00:13 ...Hopefully mor progress on this next week. 16:00:43 ...Adjourned 16:00:44 -qhreul 16:00:45 -Ben_Adida 16:00:46 Guus: Regrets for next week 16:00:46 -[LC] 16:00:46 -berrueta 16:00:47 seanb has left #swd 16:00:49 zakim, list attendees 16:00:49 As of this point the attendees have been qhreul, Ralph, Guus, Antoine_Isaac, DLRubin, berrueta, JonP, TomB, seanb, +0186528aaaa, Alistair, Clay, Ben_Adida, [LC] 16:00:52 -JonP 16:00:52 -Guus 16:00:53 -seanb 16:00:53 -Antoine_Isaac 16:00:54 -Clay 16:00:57 rrsagent, please draft minute 16:00:57 I'm logging. I don't understand 'please draft minute', Ralph. Try /msg RRSAgent help 16:00:58 rrsagent, please draft minutes 16:00:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-minutes.html Ralph 16:01:06 Ralph: oh, i forgot to ask you about cvs access ... 16:01:21 ... re: antoine's email (if you remember it?) 16:01:42 [adjourned] 16:01:52 zakim, list attendees 16:01:52 As of this point the attendees have been qhreul, Ralph, Guus, Antoine_Isaac, DLRubin, berrueta, JonP, TomB, seanb, +0186528aaaa, Alistair, Clay, Ben_Adida, [LC] 16:02:04 rrsagent, please draft minutes 16:02:04 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-minutes.html dlrubin 16:04:18 -Ralph 16:04:19 -DLRubin 16:04:19 -TomB 16:04:19 SW_SWD()11:00AM has ended 16:04:20 Attendees were qhreul, Ralph, Guus, Antoine_Isaac, DLRubin, berrueta, JonP, TomB, seanb, +0186528aaaa, Alistair, Clay, Ben_Adida, [LC] 16:04:57 edsu has left #swd 16:05:24 zakim, bye 16:05:24 Zakim has left #swd 16:05:28 rrsagent, bye 16:05:28 I see 20 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-actions.rdf : 16:05:28 ACTION: Ed to investigate what text could be added to primer re. concept co-ordination [1] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-09-38 16:05:28 ACTION: Guus to write primer text re: broaderGeneric and equivalence w/r/t subclass [2] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-09-56 16:05:28 ACTION: alistair and sean to add a note about irreflexivity to Reference [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action05] [3] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-11-22 16:05:28 ACTION: Alistair to check the old namespace wrt dereferencing [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action03] [4] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-12-28 16:05:28 ACTION: Antoine and Ed to add content to Primer about irreflexivity [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action06] [5] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-12-46 16:05:28 ACTION: Guus and Alistair write text for Reference indicating understanding of a possible need for future patterns for n-Ary label relations [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action08] [6] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-12-59 16:05:28 ACTION: Ralph compose intermediate pages for http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-skos-core-spec and http://www.w3.org/TR/swbp-skos-core-guide/ to inform readers of the paths to the old and new SKOS documents [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action02] [7] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-14-13 16:05:28 ACTION: Sean and Alistair to send a file for the namespace [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action04] [8] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-14-30 16:05:28 ACTION: Sean to write a proposal to indicate to OWL WG our requirements for annotation properties [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-swd-minutes.html#action07] [9] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-15-31 16:05:28 ACTION: Clay will respond to Jakob about the resolution for notations and x-notation [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-swd-minutes.html#action01] [10] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-15-43 16:05:28 ACTION: Editors of the Use Cases to clean up the lists of requirements in light of resolutions [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/07-swd-minutes.html#action02] [11] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-16-09 16:05:28 ACTION: Margherita to liase with author primer about example using plain literals and some with datatype literals [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/20-swd-minutes.html#action17] [12] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-16-39 16:05:28 ACTION: Guus to mail his position on issues 72, 73 and 75 to the list [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action25] [13] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-19-55 16:05:28 ACTION: seanb to set up wiki for SKOS/OWL patterns [14] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-37-25 16:05:28 ACTION: Editors to produce a revised working draft for next week on which we can vote [15] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-44-08 16:05:28 ACTION: Ben to prepare draft implementation report for RDFa (with assistance from Michael) [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [16] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-55-27 16:05:28 ACTION: Ralph propose resolution to ISSUE-16 "Default behavior" [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action14] [17] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-56-05 16:05:28 ACTION: Ed to review the new Editor's Draft of the Recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action05] [18] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-57-17 16:05:28 ACTION: Ralph/Diego to work on Wordnet implementation [of Recipes implementations] [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/01/22-swd-minutes.html#action20] [19] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-57-44 16:05:28 ACTION: Ralph to review the new Editor's Draft of the Recipes [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-swd-minutes.html#action06] [20] 16:05:28 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-swd-irc#T15-57-57