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15:41:58 <RolandMerrick> Meeting: SOAP-JMS WG teleconference
15:48:29 <RolandMerrick> Zakim, list
15:48:29 <Zakim> I see VB_VBWG()10:00AM, XML_ET-TF()11:00AM, SW_SWD()11:00AM, Team_(rif)12:50Z, SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM active
15:48:32 <Zakim> also scheduled at this time are SW_HCLS(Chairs)12:00PM, WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM, SW_RIF()11:00AM, SW_DAWG()10:30AM, Team_(rif)08:00Z, WS_SAWSDL()12:00PM, MWI_TSWG()11:00AM
15:48:52 <RolandMerrick> Zakim, thgis wiil be WS_SOAP-JM
15:48:53 <Zakim> I don't understand 'thgis wiil be WS_SOAP-JM', RolandMerrick
15:49:04 <RolandMerrick> Zakim, this will be WS_SOAP-JM
15:49:04 <Zakim> ok, RolandMerrick; I see WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM scheduled to start in 11 minutes
15:49:28 <RolandMerrick> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-soap-jms/2008May/0042.html
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15:50:22 <Zakim> WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has now started
15:50:29 <Zakim> +alewis
15:50:42 <Roland> Chair: Roland
15:51:43 <Roland> rrsagent, make minutes
15:51:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-soap-jms-minutes.html Roland
15:51:52 <Roland> rrsagent, make log public
15:54:53 <Zakim> +Roland
15:57:12 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:57:40 <Roland> Zakim, IBM is Phil
15:57:40 <Zakim> +Phil; got it
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16:02:28 <Roland> Zakim, aaaa is MarkPhillips
16:02:28 <Zakim> +MarkPhillips; got it
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16:03:44 <Roland> Zakim, Sun is Bhakti
16:03:44 <Zakim> +Bhakti; got it
16:03:54 <Roland> Zakim, IBM is Phil
16:03:54 <Zakim> +Phil; got it
16:04:12 <Roland> 06zakim, who is on the phone?01
16:04:35 <Roland> 06Zakim, who is on the phone?01
16:05:55 <Roland> 06Scribe: markPhillips
16:07:01 <markphillips> TOPIC: Draft spec
16:07:52 <markphillips> roland: A couple of updates to make
16:08:46 <markphillips> 1. The namespace needs to be updated 
16:09:34 <markphillips> philippe: Recommend using ns namespace so that dates do not need to be updated 
16:10:09 <Roland> 06www.w3c.org/ns/soap-jms ?
16:10:19 <plh> http://www.w3.org/ns/soap-jms
16:13:52 <Roland> http://www.w3.org/2008/06/soap-jms
16:13:54 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/soap-jms
16:15:23 <markphillips> The undated namespace would be the final namespace (for use at the CR stage).  In the interim we should use a dated namespace for each draft of the spec. 
16:17:39 <plh> http://www.w3.org/@@@@/@@/soapjms
16:24:43 <plh> "http://www.w3.org/2003/05/soap/bindings/HTTP/"
16:25:10 <plh> "http://www.w3.org/ns/soap/bindings/JMS/"
16:27:53 <plh> "http://www.w3.org/2008/06/soap/bindings/JMS/"
16:29:00 <markphillips> RESOLUTION: First working draft will use the year and month namespace (e.g. "http://www.w3.org/2008/06/soap/bindings/JMS/").  The final recommendation will be undated ( "http://www.w3.org/ns/soap/bindings/JMS/")
16:30:21 <markphillips> TOPIC: Testing conformance 
16:31:00 <markphillips> roland: How should we construct a test plan?
16:35:17 <plh> http://dev.w3.org/2002/ws/desc/test-suite/Dashboard.html
16:35:55 <markphillips> plh: No best practices per se.  For WSDL 2 an interchange format was used to capture the WSDL component model and testing was performed by comparing the interchange formats created by different implementations
16:36:26 <markphillips> For wire formats they defined a canonical representation of SOAP messages described by WSDL then compared to the wire format messages generated by different implementations 
16:41:35 <markphillips> PhilAdams: Do we need to specify the API calls used to construct messages?  If so we need to document them in the spec.
16:43:07 <markphillips> alewis: The spec implies the calls which are necessary.  The only thing we have in common is the API.
16:47:41 <markphillips> PhilAdams: The test suite could act as the receiver (or producer) for messages and validate them 
16:49:11 <markphillips> alewis: The advantage of the WSDL model is that a declarative and correct representation of messages can be produced and validated in isolation
16:50:31 <markphillips> roland: could we write up the different proposals for discussion 
16:51:22 <markphillips> ACTION: PhilAdams to write up a test proposal due next week
16:51:22 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - PhilAdams
16:51:34 <plh> trackbot-ng, status
16:51:46 <markphillips> ACTION: Amelia to write up a test proposal due next week
16:51:47 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-6 - Write up a test proposal due next week [on Amelia Lewis - due 2008-06-03].
16:52:15 <plh> ACTION: Phil to write up a test proposal due next week
16:52:16 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-7 - Write up a test proposal due next week [on Phil Adams - due 2008-06-03].
16:57:04 <Zakim> -Bhakti
16:57:06 <Zakim> -Phil
16:57:07 <Zakim> -alewis
16:57:08 <Zakim> -Derek
16:57:09 <Zakim> -Peter
16:57:09 <Zakim> -Roland
16:57:10 <Zakim> -MarkPhillips
16:57:17 <Zakim> -Plh
16:57:18 <Zakim> WS_SOAP-JM()12:00PM has ended
16:57:21 <Zakim> Attendees were alewis, Roland, Phil, Peter, Plh, Derek, +0196270aaaa, MarkPhillips, Bhakti
16:57:28 <markphillips> rrsagent, generate minutes
16:57:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-soap-jms-minutes.html markphillips
17:26:46 <plh> zakim, bye
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17:26:48 <plh> rrsagent, bye
17:26:48 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-soap-jms-actions.rdf :
17:26:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: PhilAdams to write up a test proposal due next week [1]
17:26:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-soap-jms-irc#T16-51-22
17:26:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Amelia to write up a test proposal due next week [2]
17:26:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-soap-jms-irc#T16-51-46
17:26:48 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Phil to write up a test proposal due next week [3]
17:26:48 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/27-soap-jms-irc#T16-52-15