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16:57:56 <bmotik> Zakim, who is on call
16:57:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on call', bmotik
16:58:12 <Rinke> Zakim, this is owl
16:58:12 <Zakim> Rinke, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be owl".
16:58:25 <Rinke> zakim, this is owlwg
16:58:25 <Zakim> Rinke, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM in the schedule but not yet started.  Perhaps you mean "this will be owlwg".
16:58:55 <IanH> zakim, this will be owl
16:58:55 <Zakim> ok, IanH, I see SW_OWL()12:00PM already started
16:59:34 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
17:00:05 <Rinke> zakim, who is here?
17:00:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see ??P12, Evan_Wallace
17:00:06 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng
17:00:10 <MarkusK> MarkusK has joined #owl
17:00:17 <bmotik> Zakim, ??P12 is me
17:00:17 <Zakim> +bmotik; got it
17:00:23 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
17:00:23 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
17:00:24 <Zhe> Zhe has joined #owl
17:00:37 <Zakim> +Sandro
17:01:05 <Zakim> + +22427aaaa
17:01:15 <Zakim> + +7.233.aabb
17:01:20 <JeffP> Zakim, aaaa is me
17:01:20 <Zakim> +JeffP; got it
17:01:25 <Rinke> Zakim, aabb is me
17:01:25 <Zakim> +Rinke; got it
17:01:36 <Rinke> zakim, mute me
17:01:36 <Zakim> Rinke should now be muted
17:01:59 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aacc
17:02:11 <Zakim> + +0186527aadd
17:02:12 <Zhe> Zakim, +1.603.897.aacc is me
17:02:13 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it
17:02:18 <Zakim> + +1.518.276.aaee
17:02:26 <bcuencagrau> bcuencagrau has joined #owl
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17:02:30 <baojie> Zakim aaee is baojie
17:02:43 <baojie> Zakim, aaee is baojie
17:02:43 <Zakim> +baojie; got it
17:02:52 <jeremy_> jeremy_ has joined #owl
17:03:03 <IanH> zakim, aadd is me
17:03:03 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
17:03:07 <Zakim> +??P24
17:03:12 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
17:03:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, ??P24
17:03:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see jeremy_, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng
17:03:29 <jeremy_> zakim, +??P24 is jeremy
17:03:29 <Zakim> sorry, jeremy_, I do not recognize a party named '+??P24'
17:03:31 <Zakim> +??P26
17:03:32 <Zakim> +Alan
17:03:38 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P26 is me
17:03:38 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
17:03:48 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
17:03:48 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
17:03:52 <bmotik_> bmotik_ has joined #owl
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17:03:58 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
17:03:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, ??P24, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan
17:03:58 <jeremy_> zakim, ??P24 is me
17:04:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, bmotik_, jeremy_, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng
17:04:02 <Zakim> +jeremy_; got it
17:04:06 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:04:29 <jeremycarroll> zakim, jeremy_ is jeremycarroll
17:04:29 <Zakim> +jeremycarroll; got it
17:04:54 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
17:04:57 <alanr> alanr has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.21/Agenda
17:05:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK
17:05:09 <JeffP> Topic: ADMIN (20 min)
17:05:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see alanr, bmotik_, jeremycarroll, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, bmotik, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng
17:05:23 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
17:05:23 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc#T17-05-23
17:05:26 <jeremycarroll> q-
17:05:34 <Zakim> +??P2
17:05:41 <uli> zakim, mute me
17:05:46 <Zakim> sorry, uli, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:05:50 <JeffP> Topic: Agenda amendments?
17:06:00 <Zakim> +??P3
17:06:21 <JeffP> PROPOSED: Accept Previous Minutes (07 May)
17:06:29 <jeremycarroll> q+
17:06:30 <bijan> bijan has joined #owl
17:06:33 <uli> zakim, ??P2 is me
17:06:33 <Zakim> +uli; got it
17:06:36 <uli> zakim, mute me
17:06:36 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
17:06:39 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.07/Minutes
17:06:44 <bijan> zakim, who is here?
17:06:44 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK, uli (muted), ??P3
17:06:47 <Zakim> On IRC I see bijan, alanr, bmotik, jeremycarroll, uli, bcuencagrau, Zhe, MarkusK, RRSAgent, Zakim, ewallace, IanH, baojie, sandro, JeffP, Rinke, trackbot-ng
17:06:53 <bijan> zakim, ??P3 is me
17:06:53 <Zakim> +bijan; got it
17:07:00 <bijan> I have!
17:07:15 <bijan> zakim, mute me
17:07:15 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
17:07:39 <Rinke> Peter told me they were ok
17:07:53 <alanr> +1
17:07:56 <baojie> +1
17:07:57 <Zhe> +1
17:07:58 <Rinke> +1
17:07:59 <ewallace> +1
17:08:02 <uli> +1
17:08:03 <bijan> +1
17:08:03 <sandro> RRSAgent, pointer?
17:08:03 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-owl-irc#T17-08-03-1
17:08:06 <IanH> +1
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17:08:12 <JeffP> Minutes accepted
17:08:15 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:08:43 <Zakim> +[IBM]
17:09:09 <Achille> Zakim, IBM is Achille
17:09:09 <Zakim> +Achille; got it
17:09:12 <JeffP> Topic: Action items status
17:09:35 <Rinke> scribenick JeffP
17:09:50 <JeffP> (thanks, Rinke)
17:10:10 <bijan> Done!
17:10:34 <JeffP> Action 129: Done
17:10:47 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:10:47 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
17:12:06 <bijan> zakim, mute me
17:12:06 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
17:12:43 <JeffP> Action132: done
17:12:48 <JeffP> Action133: done
17:13:13 <alanr> q+
17:13:38 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:13:38 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
17:14:40 <bmotik> It'll be hard to see the difference w.r.t. subsumption: individuals (anonymous or not) are parts of the ABox and therefore usually don't affect the subsumption.
17:14:44 <bijan> zakim, mute me
17:14:44 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
17:14:52 <bijan> bmotik, yeah
17:15:03 <JeffP> Action142: done
17:15:26 <bmotik> I actually believe that Bijan's Web page says as much as can be said about the difference between the skolem and nonskolem semantics.
17:15:27 <JeffP> Action 145: done
17:15:47 <JeffP> Action 146: done
17:15:55 <JeffP> Action 149: done
17:16:26 <bijan> bmotik, I'm certainly drawing a blank :(
17:16:36 <bijan> +1 to endorsement
17:16:44 <JeffP> IanH: any comments on Jeremy's review on RIF?
17:16:54 <bijan> Peter and I responded to his finalized comments with approval
17:17:07 <JeffP> ... any pointer?
17:17:31 <bijan> http://www.w3.org/mid/482984E7.4000806@hpl.hp.com
17:17:42 <bijan> (Pointer to thread where peter and I approve.)
17:17:58 <jeremycarroll> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085
17:18:09 <ewallace> I will continue my Syntax doc review for 1 more week
17:18:18 <bmotik> The only way to show differences in the skolem and nonskolem semantics by means of subsumption is to use ObjectHasValue with anonymous individuals.
17:18:46 <bijan> bmotik, yes.
17:19:13 <JeffP> Action 43: continue
17:19:37 <jeremycarroll> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008AprJun/0065
17:19:50 <IanH> q?
17:20:25 <jeremycarroll> q-
17:20:41 <bijan> Off the hook!
17:20:44 <IanH> ack alanr
17:20:50 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:20:50 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
17:21:14 <JeffP> Action 43: close
17:21:19 <bijan> zakim, mute me
17:21:19 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
17:21:22 <JeffP> Action 139: continue
17:21:34 <JeffP> Action 143: continue
17:22:02 <JeffP> Action 112: continue
17:22:12 <ewallace> I continued the UFDTF action Jeff
17:22:23 <JeffP> Action 144: close
17:22:58 <JeffP> Action 147: continue
17:23:18 <alanr> q+
17:23:28 <JeffP> IanH: Jeremy's review on RIF
17:23:32 <IanH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2008AprJun/0065
17:23:49 <jeremycarroll> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085
17:24:01 <JeffP> alanr: get rid of stuffs that are not related to this WG
17:24:02 <bijan> Isn't it moot now?
17:24:08 <jeremycarroll> B) On the editors note, at the end of section 1, we advise that RDF
17:24:08 <jeremycarroll> entailment is much less interesting than the others (simple, RDFS, D,
17:24:08 <jeremycarroll> OWL DL, OWL Full), and we would not expect opposition to RIF not
17:24:09 <jeremycarroll> supporting it.
17:25:01 <JeffP> IanH: any comments?
17:25:17 <bijan> I'm indifferent. I think it's harmless to leave it in. Given that its sent and non binding anyway...does it matter?
17:25:29 <JeffP> Jeremy: ok
17:26:07 <IanH> q?
17:26:11 <alanr> ack alanr
17:26:29 <sandro> PROPOSED: Jeremy's e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 is official WG view, except point B
17:26:36 <ewallace> +1 
17:26:37 <alanr> +1
17:26:39 <IanH> +1
17:26:39 <Rinke> +1
17:26:40 <bijan> +1
17:26:42 <JeffP> +1
17:26:42 <Zhe> +1
17:26:43 <sandro> 0
17:26:44 <jeremycarroll> +1
17:26:55 <uli> +1
17:27:02 <sandro> RESOLVED: Jeremy's e-mail http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0085 is official WG view, except point B
17:27:35 <JeffP> Topic: Issue 97
17:27:47 <JeffP> IanH: there is a written proposal from Sandro
17:27:59 <IanH> q?
17:28:00 <bmotik> Could Sandro please summarize his proposal?
17:28:30 <JeffP> pointer?
17:28:44 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html
17:29:15 <IanH> q?
17:29:34 <bijan> Also worth noting: http://www.w3.org/mid/5.1.1.6.2.20080521083649.0d0fb068@mail.muzmo.com
17:30:49 <JeffP> IanH: comments?
17:30:53 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:30:53 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
17:31:08 <JeffP> bijan: agree with sandro in general
17:31:38 <JeffP> ... GRDDL is not clear what are required though
17:31:59 <JeffP> ... sandro's proposal is as good as anything else
17:32:01 <bijan> zakim, mute me
17:32:01 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
17:32:04 <IanH> q?
17:32:19 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:32:19 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
17:32:22 <JeffP> IanH: any comments on ording?
17:32:32 <IanH> q?
17:33:08 <JeffP> bijan: parallel way is fine as long as it is clear
17:33:27 <bijan> zakim, mute me
17:33:27 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
17:33:55 <JeffP> IanH: not asking to come up with implementation might not be proper
17:34:07 <ewallace> let's move on
17:35:30 <sandro> PROPOSED: proceed on parallel version of Sandro's suggestion for handling GRDDL ISSUE-97, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html
17:35:43 <IanH> +1
17:35:45 <JeffP> +1
17:35:46 <sandro> +1 of course  :-)
17:35:49 <alanr> +1
17:35:52 <ewallace> +1
17:35:55 <Zhe> +1
17:35:56 <Achille> +1
17:35:57 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:35:59 <MarkusK> +1
17:36:06 <bijan> +1
17:36:07 <bmotik> +1
17:36:08 <Rinke> +1
17:36:10 <uli> +1
17:36:12 <baojie> +1
17:36:24 <sandro> RESOLVED: proceed on parallel version of Sandro's suggestion for handling GRDDL ISSUE-97, as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0118.html
17:36:43 <IanH> q?
17:36:45 <JeffP> Topic: Issues (50 minutes) - Address as many as possible during allocated time
17:37:30 <JeffP> Issue 4 allow reordering in functional syntax, per Alan's email 
17:37:46 <JeffP> IanH: we could resolve this without taking any action
17:38:52 <IanH> PROPOSED: Issue 4 allow reordering in functional syntax, per Alan's email 
17:38:54 <bmotik> +1
17:38:58 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:38:59 <IanH> +1
17:39:01 <baojie> +1
17:39:06 <JeffP> +1
17:39:07 <Zhe> +1
17:39:11 <Rinke> +1
17:39:12 <MarkusK> +1
17:39:13 <sandro> +0 haven't followed, sorry
17:39:15 <bijan> The proposal is wrong
17:39:18 <alanr> +1
17:39:45 <bijan> Close ISSUE 4 per alan's email as rejected
17:39:48 <Rinke> Alan's email is at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html
17:39:50 <IanH> PROPOSED: resolve Issue 4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html
17:39:55 <bijan> Yes
17:39:55 <bmotik> +1
17:39:56 <jeremycarroll> 0 (I'm concentrating on the next issue)
17:39:58 <bijan> +1
17:39:59 <IanH> +1
17:39:59 <Rinke> +1
17:39:59 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:40:03 <JeffP> +1
17:40:04 <MarkusK> +1
17:40:05 <Achille> +1
17:40:06 <baojie> +1
17:40:06 <uli> +1
17:40:10 <IanH> q?
17:40:29 <bijan> No no
17:40:30 <bijan> No no
17:40:32 <bijan> Yes
17:40:45 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:40:45 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
17:40:47 <sandro> +0 haven't followed this issue, sorry
17:40:53 <alanr> +1
17:40:55 <bijan> zakim, mute me
17:40:55 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
17:41:10 <JeffP> RESOLVED: resolve Issue 4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html
17:41:11 <IanH> RESOLVED: resolve Issue 4 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0014.html
17:41:32 <alanr> q+
17:41:42 <JeffP> Topic: #  Issue 71 Data ranges for literals with Language, per Peter's email 
17:41:47 <IanH> q?
17:42:02 <Rinke> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0019.html
17:42:12 <JeffP> alanr: some comments from SWCG
17:42:23 <IanH> q?
17:42:35 <alanr> ack alanr
17:43:01 <JeffP> sandro: seems that both OWL and RIF are working this
17:43:07 <IanH> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0089.html
17:43:16 <jeremycarroll> q+
17:43:27 <IanH> q?
17:43:28 <alanr> ack sandro
17:43:30 <alanr> ack head
17:43:31 <JeffP> ... which one comes up with a proposal will be the one 
17:43:32 <alanr> ack torso
17:43:35 <alanr> ack right
17:44:08 <JeffP> ... need to have a join TF
17:44:16 <JeffP> alanr: how about name space?
17:44:23 <bijan> RDF!
17:44:27 <alanr> +1
17:44:27 <IanH> q?
17:44:45 <alanr> rdfs
17:44:55 <JeffP> sandro: there are some  problem of RDF name space
17:45:00 <IanH> q?
17:45:04 <IanH> ack
17:45:09 <IanH> ack jeremycarroll
17:45:35 <sandro> My message on this subject: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008May/0089.html
17:45:53 <bijan> q+ for a slight tangent about data uris
17:46:01 <alanr> yes, i noticed that this is a new pattern syntax. (distinctly not pcre)
17:46:03 <bijan> q+ to make a slight tangent about data uris
17:46:09 <JeffP> zakim, who is talking?
17:46:10 <IanH> q?
17:46:20 <Zakim> JeffP, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Sandro (48%), jeremycarroll (77%)
17:46:20 <sandro> Jeremy: there is a language matching language, which is different from the XML matching language.
17:46:41 <IanH> he stopped
17:46:47 <IanH> hope he is still alive
17:47:43 <IanH> q?
17:48:32 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:48:32 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
17:49:07 <JeffP> (jeremy, could you summarise your comments please?)
17:49:18 <jeremycarroll> are you talking about the data: scheme?
17:49:20 <IanH> q?
17:49:23 <bijan> http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2397
17:49:26 <IanH> ack bijan
17:49:26 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to make a slight tangent about data uris
17:50:11 <jeremycarroll> q+
17:50:15 <bijan> q+
17:50:24 <IanH> q?
17:50:38 <bijan> boris from owl, peter from RIF :)
17:50:39 <JeffP> ... besides sandro
17:51:03 <alanr> q+
17:51:15 <JeffP> sandro: Boris has been working on the texts
17:51:17 <alanr> ~
17:51:32 <IanH> ack jeremycarroll
17:51:36 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:51:36 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
17:51:51 <alanr> swcg harmonization issue
17:52:08 <IanH> q?
17:52:15 <jeremycarroll> jeremy: we should invite I18N WG to participate in the TF
17:52:17 <IanH> ack bijan
17:52:46 <bijan> zakim, mute me
17:52:46 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
17:52:46 <jeremycarroll> q+
17:52:50 <IanH> q?
17:52:52 <sandro> Bijan:  Let's just find an editor or two and have them write something and make sure it's okay with the stakeholders.
17:52:58 <sandro> +1 Bijan
17:53:01 <JeffP> IanH: good to keep the process lightweight
17:53:06 <IanH> q?
17:53:21 <sandro> ack alanr 
17:53:46 <bijan> If no one else volunteers, I shall, assuming it's roughly as easy as sandro delineated :)
17:53:48 <IanH> q?
17:54:24 <sandro> Jeremy: we should invite people like: "You're welcome to join, but you might prefer to review the finished document"
17:54:33 <sandro> s/people/i18n/
17:54:47 <bijan> q+
17:54:50 <jeremycarroll> q-
17:54:51 <IanH> q?
17:55:08 <JeffP> sandro: there is a dependency on the XML WG too
17:55:16 <sandro> s/XML/XML Schema/
17:55:17 <jeremycarroll> ^XML^XML Schema
17:55:20 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:55:20 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
17:55:21 <IanH> q?
17:55:22 <JeffP> IanH: could we agree on bijan's proposal?
17:55:41 <alanr> Sandro: is OWL 1 issue with closed namespace same as RDF closed namespace issue?
17:55:53 <jeremycarroll> I'm convinced by sandro's comment - ask stakeholders after we have a doc
17:55:54 <JeffP> bijan: we could have a TF when people disagree
17:55:58 <IanH> q?
17:56:02 <IanH> ack
17:56:08 <bijan> zakin, mute me
17:56:11 <IanH> q?
17:56:23 <IanH> ack bijan
17:56:54 <JeffP> IanH: who will work on this?
17:57:07 <IanH> q?
17:57:20 <JeffP> alanr: we need to work out a solution for the name space
17:57:34 <JeffP> s/name space/namespace
17:57:48 <JeffP> sandro: we could leave the namespace as an open issue
17:57:55 <jeremycarroll> To me the langPattern is an OWL functionality, not an RDF one, whereas the class of all internationalizedstrings is possibly an RDF concept
17:57:55 <bijan> Conditionally!
17:58:04 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
17:58:04 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
17:58:06 <JeffP> sandro: I heard bijan would like to act on it
17:58:10 <alanr> RDF/XML: Any other names are not defined and SHOULD generate a warning when encountered, but should otherwise behave normally.
17:58:20 <IanH> q?
17:58:37 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
17:58:37 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
17:59:05 <JeffP> boris: no opinion on namespace; also busy with other work in the WG
17:59:09 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
17:59:09 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
17:59:32 <baojie> ok
17:59:41 <JeffP> alanr: anyone on call can work on this?
18:00:06 <jeremycarroll> I believe the RDF Syntax text is meant to be forward compatible ...
18:00:39 <alanr> action: baojie edit langed literal document
18:00:39 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - baojie
18:00:46 <alanr> action: jiebao edit langed literal document
18:00:46 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - jiebao
18:01:07 <bmotik> q+
18:01:08 <JeffP> Topic: #  Issue 123 Should we add QCR-s into the rule set of OWL-R-Full/Ivan, per [1] 
18:01:35 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
18:01:35 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
18:01:36 <IanH> q?
18:01:41 <IanH> ack bmotik
18:01:53 <JeffP> boris: OWL-R-DL support some QCRs
18:02:01 <sandro> ACTION: Bao create a new document as the spec for owl:internationalizedString / rif:text, including open issue discussion of namespace
18:02:01 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-150 - Create a new document as the spec for owl:internationalizedString / rif:text, including open issue discussion of namespace [on Jie Bao - due 2008-05-28].
18:02:05 <alanr> action: jie bao to edit langed literal document
18:02:05 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-151 - Bao to edit langed literal document [on Jie Bao - due 2008-05-28].
18:02:34 <IanH> q?
18:02:39 <alanr> +1
18:02:42 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
18:02:42 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
18:02:52 <Zhe> +1
18:02:53 <JeffP> ... OWL-R-Full should cover the same set of features
18:02:56 <bijan> +1
18:02:59 <uli> +1
18:03:24 <bijan> +1 to the editorial gerrymander
18:03:48 <JeffP> .Action 123: done
18:03:59 <JeffP> Topic: #  Issue 111 User intent signalling (other than via mime type) see Sandro's email 
18:04:12 <JeffP> http://www.w3.org/mid/6098.1208894358@ubuhebe
18:04:35 <bmotik> We might want to take up imports and versioning today out-of-order. This is a fresh issue that, given the recent discussion, might be gotten out of the way quickly.
18:04:46 <bijan> q+
18:04:51 <IanH> q?
18:04:55 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
18:04:55 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
18:05:15 <JeffP> bijan: the processing model is unclear
18:05:20 <IanH> q?
18:05:26 <IanH> ack bijan
18:05:43 <alanr> 123 has been updated to be editorial. boris, feel free to close
18:05:46 <alanr> q+ alanr
18:05:50 <JeffP> ... adding more properties without semantics is worrying 
18:06:04 <sandro> my e-mail about it:   http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0265.html
18:06:10 <JeffP> Issue 123: close
18:06:14 <IanH> q?
18:06:24 <IanH> ack alanr
18:06:26 <bijan> zakim, mute me
18:06:26 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
18:06:30 <JeffP> alanr: tend to agree with bijan
18:07:05 <IanH> q?
18:07:12 <JeffP> ... not sure what to do with imports
18:07:13 <bmotik> q+
18:07:21 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
18:07:21 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
18:07:27 <IanH> ack bmotik
18:07:30 <IanH> q?
18:07:43 <bijan> q+
18:07:54 <IanH> q?
18:07:54 <JeffP> boris: signal to tools are not needed
18:08:31 <alanr> what if it says nothing but imported one says something
18:08:33 <IanH> q?
18:09:02 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
18:09:02 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
18:09:04 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
18:09:04 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
18:09:18 <sandro> q+ to reply to Boris about "it's just a syntax error" to give DL to an EL++ system --- of course you want to give the user a better error message, don't you?
18:09:23 <sandro> ack bijan 
18:09:25 <IanH> q?
18:09:33 <JeffP> bijan: useful to distinguish DL and Full semantics
18:10:10 <JeffP> ... also might be useful in some use cases
18:10:10 <IanH> q?
18:10:13 <bmotik> Sandro, sure; however, my point is that this is defined by the syntax itself. There is no need to say "this ontology should be interpreted as EL++": if it falls into the EL++ fragment, it is an EL++ ontology.
18:10:26 <sandro> ack sandro 
18:10:26 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to reply to Boris about "it's just a syntax error" to give DL to an EL++ system --- of course you want to give the user a better error message, don't you?
18:10:27 <uli> q+
18:10:28 <bmotik> The only problem is where we are changing the semantics.
18:10:32 <JeffP> +1 boris
18:11:01 <IanH> q?
18:11:06 <bmotik> q+
18:11:38 <jeremycarroll> q+ to respond to sandro
18:11:42 <uli> zakim, unmute me
18:11:42 <Zakim> uli should no longer be muted
18:12:10 <IanH> q?
18:12:12 <IanH> ack uli
18:12:19 <JeffP> uli: should not have any semantics; it would be helpful to signal sth
18:12:25 <bmotik> q-
18:12:31 <sandro> Uli: I like intendedProfile as a hint, but not as formal semantics
18:12:32 <uli> zakim, mute me
18:12:32 <Zakim> uli should now be muted
18:12:37 <bmotik> Yes
18:12:43 <bijan> Is this different than owl:deprecatedClass?
18:13:10 <IanH> q?
18:13:18 <IanH> ack jerermycarroll
18:13:22 <IanH> q?
18:13:35 <sandro> sure -- error message are a pretty trivial point.
18:13:44 <IanH> ack jeremycarroll
18:13:44 <Zakim> jeremycarroll, you wanted to respond to sandro
18:13:48 <IanH> q?
18:14:07 <bijan> q+ to ask sandro about the brokenness
18:14:17 <IanH> q?
18:14:22 <alanr> q+
18:15:02 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
18:15:02 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
18:16:03 <IanH> q?
18:16:08 <IanH> ack bijan
18:16:08 <Zakim> bijan, you wanted to ask sandro about the brokenness
18:16:33 <sandro> +1 Bijan -- don't reject Full document if you are Full....     repair with warning, etc.
18:16:47 <bijan> +1 to sandro thing
18:16:49 <IanH> q?
18:18:33 <IanH> q?
18:18:40 <IanH> q?
18:18:48 <JeffP> ack alanr
18:19:05 <JeffP> IanH: continue discussion by emails
18:19:18 <JeffP> Topic: Issue 124 (newly open) The complement of a datarange is defined relative to the whole data domain
18:19:28 <sandro> maybe in e-mail, Uli, you can explain to me why the having formal meaning to this is harmful?
18:20:00 <bmotik> q+
18:20:05 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
18:20:05 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
18:20:05 <IanH> q?
18:20:11 <IanH> ack bmotik
18:20:37 <IanH> q?
18:20:41 <ewallace> sounds good to me
18:20:45 <alanr> q+
18:21:06 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
18:21:06 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
18:21:12 <IanH> q?
18:21:22 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
18:21:22 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
18:21:46 <bijan> q+
18:21:47 <IanH> q?
18:21:53 <IanH> ack alanr
18:22:13 <JeffP> boris: this is not intended to be used by people
18:22:19 <alanr> q?
18:22:57 <JeffP> ... mainly for some process in the background e.g. moving expressions from one side to the other
18:23:06 <IanH> q?
18:23:28 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
18:23:28 <Zakim> bijan was not muted, bijan
18:23:41 <JeffP> ... so the complement is implicitly there and it should be in the language
18:23:46 <bmotik> Zakim, mute me
18:23:46 <Zakim> bmotik should now be muted
18:23:49 <IanH> q?
18:23:54 <IanH> ack bijan
18:25:08 <IanH> q?
18:25:08 <bijan> zakim, mute me
18:25:09 <Zakim> bijan should now be muted
18:25:09 <JeffP> bijan: support it strongly
18:25:32 <sandro> zakim, who is on the call?
18:25:32 <Zakim> On the phone I see bmotik (muted), Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke (muted), Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau (muted), Alan, MarkusK, uli (muted), bijan (muted),
18:25:36 <Zakim> ... Achille
18:25:59 <IanH> q?
18:26:02 <bmotik> Could we perhaps handle imports?
18:26:12 <sandro> PRESENT: bmotik, Evan_Wallace, Sandro, JeffP, Rinke, Zhe, IanH, baojie, jeremycarroll, bcuencagrau, Alan, MarkusK, uli, bijan, Achille
18:26:22 <bmotik> Zakim, umnute me
18:26:22 <Zakim> I don't understand 'umnute me', bmotik
18:26:25 <bijan> Agenda amendment (last minute) is there a publication plan?
18:26:26 <bmotik> Zakim, unmute me
18:26:26 <Zakim> bmotik should no longer be muted
18:26:30 <ewallace> In 4 minutes?
18:26:31 <sandro> Chair: Ian
18:26:50 <sandro> Scribe: JeffP
18:27:32 <IanH> q?
18:27:57 <IanH> q?
18:28:05 <JeffP> IanH: too less time to allow detailed discussions on the remaining actions
18:28:34 <ewallace> sort of 
18:28:40 <alanr> we're out of time. point proved
18:28:49 <JeffP> (better next time then)
18:28:55 <bijan> zakim, unmute me
18:28:55 <Zakim> bijan should no longer be muted
18:29:01 <IanH> q?
18:29:23 <JeffP> bijan: any plan for republication?
18:29:43 <IanH> q?
18:29:43 <JeffP> IanH: should get the reviews first
18:30:51 <bijan> ta ta
18:30:53 <Rinke> thanks
18:30:54 <uli> bye 
18:30:54 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
18:30:56 <Zakim> -bijan
18:30:56 <Rinke> bye
18:30:56 <JeffP> ciao
18:30:57 <Zhe> bye
18:30:59 <Achille> bye
18:30:59 <Zakim> -MarkusK
18:31:00 <Zakim> -Alan
18:31:00 <IanH> bye
18:31:01 <Zakim> -Zhe
18:31:02 <Zakim> -uli
18:31:02 <Zakim> -Rinke
18:31:04 <Zakim> -bmotik
18:31:06 <Zakim> -baojie
18:31:07 <Zakim> -jeremycarroll
18:31:08 <Zakim> -IanH
18:31:14 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau
18:31:14 <sandro> JeffP, http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.05.21/Minutes is ready for cleanup.
18:31:15 <Zakim> -Achille
18:31:20 <uli> uli has left #owl
18:31:28 <Zakim> -Sandro
18:31:29 <Zakim> -JeffP
18:31:29 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended
18:31:30 <Zakim> Attendees were Evan_Wallace, bmotik, Sandro, +22427aaaa, +7.233.aabb, JeffP, Rinke, +0186527aadd, Zhe, +1.518.276.aaee, baojie, IanH, Alan, bcuencagrau, MarkusK, jeremycarroll,
18:31:32 <Zakim> ... uli, bijan, Achille
18:31:57 <IanH> Sandro: are you creating the minutes?
18:32:08 <sandro> Yep all done, IanH.
18:32:17 <IanH> Thanks!
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