IRC log of forms on 2008-05-21
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-irc
- 14:44:16 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, make log public
- 14:44:22 [John_Boyer]
- zakim, this will be forms
- 14:44:22 [Zakim]
- ok, John_Boyer, I see HTML_Forms()10:45AM already started
- 14:44:29 [unl]
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- + +1.250.294.aaaa
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- + +1.919.254.aabb
- 14:45:35 [wellsk]
- zakim, aabb is wellsk
- 14:45:35 [Zakim]
- +wellsk; got it
- 14:46:02 [John_Boyer]
- Meeting: Weekly Forms WG Teleconference
- 14:46:11 [Roger]
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- 14:46:12 [John_Boyer]
- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0051.html
- 14:46:19 [Roger]
- zakim, code?
- 14:46:19 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), Roger
- 14:46:54 [John_Boyer]
- Chair: John
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- Scribe: Leigh
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- Regrets: MarkB
- 14:47:07 [ebruchez]
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- 14:47:23 [Zakim]
- + +03491211aacc
- 14:47:28 [Roger]
- zakim, aacc is Roger
- 14:47:29 [Zakim]
- +Roger; got it
- 14:47:33 [Zakim]
- +Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse
- 14:47:38 [Roger]
- zakim, Roger has Rafael
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- +Rafael; got it
- 14:47:48 [unl]
- zakim, Ulrich_Nicolas_Lisse is me
- 14:47:49 [Zakim]
- +unl; got it
- 14:47:57 [unl]
- zakim, mute me
- 14:47:57 [Zakim]
- unl should now be muted
- 14:47:58 [nick]
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- 14:48:00 [John_Boyer]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:48:00 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Charlie, +1.250.294.aaaa, wellsk, Roger, unl (muted)
- 14:48:03 [Zakim]
- Roger has Rafael
- 14:48:04 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see nick, ebruchez, Roger, unl, RRSAgent, John_Boyer, Zakim, Charlie, wellsk, Steven, shepazu, trackbot-ng
- 14:48:07 [Zakim]
- +??P0
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- 14:48:12 [ebruchez]
- zakim, ??P0 is ebruchez
- 14:48:12 [Zakim]
- +ebruchez; got it
- 14:48:14 [John_Boyer]
- zakim, I am 1.250
- 14:48:14 [Zakim]
- sorry, John_Boyer, I do not see a party named '1.250'
- 14:48:24 [John_Boyer]
- zakim, I am +1.250
- 14:48:24 [Zakim]
- +John_Boyer; got it
- 14:48:27 [nick]
- zakim, code?
- 14:48:27 [Zakim]
- the conference code is 36767 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), nick
- 14:48:31 [John_Boyer]
- zakim, who is here?
- 14:48:31 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see Charlie, John_Boyer, wellsk, Roger, unl (muted), ebruchez
- 14:48:34 [Zakim]
- Roger has Rafael
- 14:48:38 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see Rafael, nick, ebruchez, Roger, unl, RRSAgent, John_Boyer, Zakim, Charlie, wellsk, Steven, shepazu, trackbot-ng
- 14:49:01 [Zakim]
- +Nick_van_den_Bleeken
- 14:49:18 [nick]
- zakim, mute me
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- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 14:50:12 [nick]
- ack me
- 14:50:28 [klotz]
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- 14:51:47 [Zakim]
- +Leigh_Klotz
- 14:52:04 [John_Boyer]
- scribenick: klotz
- 14:53:04 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0051.html
- 14:53:13 [klotz]
- ACTION: Keith Wells to contact sf.net author of HTML4 to XForms stylesheet
- 14:53:13 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-461 - Wells to contact sf.net author of HTML4 to XForms stylesheet [on Keith Wells - due 2008-05-28].
- 14:53:57 [Steven]
- zakim, dial steven-617
- 14:53:57 [Zakim]
- ok, Steven; the call is being made
- 14:53:59 [Zakim]
- +Steven
- 14:54:54 [Steven]
- q+ to tentatively announce XForms event in UK in September
- 15:00:00 [nick]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Test/XForms1.1/Edition1/driverPages/html/index.html
- 15:00:29 [Steven]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/Test/
- 15:00:37 [klotz]
- ACTION: Keith Wells to report on status of Mozilla Firefox XForms extension XForms 1.1 test suite.
- 15:00:38 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-462 - Wells to report on status of Mozilla Firefox XForms extension XForms 1.1 test suite. [on Keith Wells - due 2008-05-28].
- 15:08:59 [Steven]
- q?
- 15:10:34 [nick]
- ack me
- 15:10:56 [unl]
- I don't know much about Chiba anymore ...
- 15:11:03 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/Preliminary_XForms_1.1_Implementations
- 15:13:14 [klotz]
- DataMobile sp?
- 15:13:27 [Roger]
- DataMovil
- 15:16:36 [nick]
- latest version : http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/att-0052/actions-2008-05-19.html
- 15:18:24 [nick]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0118.html
- 15:19:02 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008Apr/0133.html
- 15:25:59 [unl]
- ack me
- 15:26:07 [Steven]
- q-
- 15:26:37 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#evt-revalidate
- 15:27:35 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#submit-evt-submit
- 15:28:33 [unl]
- q+
- 15:28:54 [nick]
- don't we also have a problem with alert
- 15:29:03 [John_Boyer]
- ack unl
- 15:29:40 [nick]
- q+
- 15:30:02 [nick]
- you also want access then for it for styling
- 15:30:04 [John_Boyer]
- ack nick
- 15:36:29 [unl]
- zakim, mute me
- 15:36:29 [Zakim]
- unl should now be muted
- 15:42:28 [klotz]
- http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/March-May_2008_Newsletter
- 15:45:26 [John_Boyer]
- Proposal: Change definition of "valid" to include "required and non-empty OR non-required"
- 15:45:56 [John_Boyer]
- definition of invalid includes "required but empty"
- 15:46:32 [John_Boyer]
- and submission validation can then just refer to validity tests defined in the section on xforms-revalidate
- 15:46:48 [nick]
- john is it possible to add the empty styling to the resolution?
- 15:47:01 [nick]
- thanks
- 15:47:12 [John_Boyer]
- and CSS appendix should add definition of 'empty' class and example of how to style "invalid but empty"
- 15:47:36 [John_Boyer]
- for 1.1?
- 15:49:04 [nick]
- for me 1.1 is ok
- 15:50:18 [ebruchez]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/css3-selectors/#empty-pseudo
- 15:51:13 [nick]
- value-empty is fine for me
- 15:51:14 [unl]
- invlaid-empty
- 15:51:30 [klotz]
- empty-value ?
- 15:51:35 [unl]
- s/invlaid/xforms-invalid
- 15:52:00 [unl]
- ok
- 15:52:01 [klotz]
- ok
- 15:52:56 [unl]
- :valid & :invalid
- 15:53:38 [klotz]
- :invalid+:empty
- 15:53:53 [John_Boyer]
- :invalid+:value-empty
- 15:53:57 [John_Boyer]
- Look good?
- 15:54:02 [klotz]
- :value-invalid+:value-empty
- 15:54:34 [unl]
- what about constraint invalidity?
- 15:55:05 [ebruchez]
- a:focus:hover
- 15:55:50 [John_Boyer]
- At some point in the future, we could talk about :invalid-constraint, :invalid-type, etc.
- 15:55:52 [klotz]
- xf|input:valid-empty:invalid
- 15:56:09 [klotz]
- s/valid/value/
- 15:57:44 [John_Boyer]
- Proposal: change valid/invalid definition to account for required but empty, change submission validation to match, and add CSS pseudoclass and example for "value-empty"
- 15:57:47 [unl]
- when we want to add :invalid-constraint, :invalid-type later, i'd still prefer :invalid-empty
- 15:58:05 [John_Boyer]
- it woudl actually be invalid-required
- 15:58:11 [unl]
- ok
- 15:58:16 [John_Boyer]
- it is invalid because it fails the required condition
- 15:59:06 [klotz]
- RESOLUTION: change valid/invalid definition to account for required but empty, change submission validation to match, and add CSS pseudoclass and example for "value-empty"
- 15:59:24 [klotz]
- ACTION: John Boyer and Leigh Klotz to change valid/invalid definition to account for required but empty, change submission validation to match, and add CSS pseudoclass and example for "value-empty"
- 15:59:28 [trackbot-ng]
- Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - John
- 15:59:30 [trackbot-ng]
- Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jkugelma, jboyer)
- 15:59:48 [klotz]
- ACTION: trackbot-ng to get less annoying.
- 15:59:48 [trackbot-ng]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - trackbot-ng
- 15:59:55 [John_Boyer]
- xforms-submit-done response-body and host language submission result targeting
- 16:00:15 [John_Boyer]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-forms/2008May/0048.html
- 16:00:48 [nick]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:00:48 [Zakim]
- Nick_van_den_Bleeken should now be muted
- 16:02:21 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#submit-evt-submit-error
- 16:02:31 [John_Boyer]
- the error event contains response-body
- 16:02:34 [John_Boyer]
- but not the done event
- 16:02:40 [nick]
- at the time we wanted to have the body in the failure case to get the error out of the body
- 16:02:49 [John_Boyer]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/xforms11/#submit-evt-submit-done
- 16:02:54 [John_Boyer]
- Why inconsistent?
- 16:03:36 [nick]
- I think no one had a use case for the body in a successful submit
- 16:03:49 [nick]
- or came forward with one
- 16:04:06 [klotz]
- 2008-04-30.txt:103:Erik: if we had 'response-body' on xforms-submit-done, we could write <setvalue ev:event="xforms-submit-done" ref="/foo/bar" value="event('response-body')"/>. We have it for xforms-submit-error but not xforms-submit-done. So if our proposed solution is longer than this we aren't achieving anything great.
- 16:06:46 [nick]
- I don't think chiba reads the body with replace none
- 16:09:05 [nick]
- if replace is all the 'XForms processor' doesn't needs to 'read' the body he may just forward the response stream to the container if the container supports that
- 16:11:11 [nick]
- ack me
- 16:14:40 [nick]
- mute me
- 16:15:33 [nick]
- is it really needed
- 16:15:43 [nick]
- we are past last call...
- 16:15:59 [Charlie]
- -1
- 16:16:07 [Charlie]
- yup
- 16:16:39 [Charlie]
- Charlie has left #forms
- 16:16:45 [Steven]
- bye
- 16:16:47 [nick]
- talk to you next week
- 16:16:50 [Zakim]
- -wellsk
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- Roger has left #forms
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- -Steven
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- -ebruchez
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- -John_Boyer
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- -Leigh_Klotz
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- -unl
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- -Nick_van_den_Bleeken
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- -Charlie
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- -Roger
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- HTML_Forms()10:45AM has ended
- 16:17:01 [Zakim]
- Attendees were Charlie, +1.250.294.aaaa, +1.919.254.aabb, wellsk, +03491211aacc, Rafael, unl, ebruchez, John_Boyer, Nick_van_den_Bleeken, Leigh_Klotz, Steven
- 16:17:08 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, make minutes
- 16:17:08 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-minutes.html John_Boyer
- 16:17:17 [John_Boyer]
- rrsagent, bye
- 16:17:17 [RRSAgent]
- I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-actions.rdf :
- 16:17:17 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Keith Wells to contact sf.net author of HTML4 to XForms stylesheet [1]
- 16:17:17 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-irc#T14-53-13
- 16:17:17 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Keith Wells to report on status of Mozilla Firefox XForms extension XForms 1.1 test suite. [2]
- 16:17:17 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-irc#T15-00-37
- 16:17:17 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: John Boyer and Leigh Klotz to change valid/invalid definition to account for required but empty, change submission validation to match, and add CSS pseudoclass and example for "value-empty" [3]
- 16:17:17 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-irc#T15-59-24
- 16:17:17 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: trackbot-ng to get less annoying. [4]
- 16:17:17 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-forms-irc#T15-59-48
- 16:17:18 [wellsk]
- wellsk has left #forms