IRC log of er on 2008-05-21
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-irc
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- 12:27:59 [shadi]
- zakim, this will be ert
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- ok, shadi, I see WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM already started
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- meeting: ERT WG
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- agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert/2008May/0007.html
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- agenda+ Publishing "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF" and "Representing Content in RDF"
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- agemda+ Draft ERT WG Charter
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- agenda+ Draft ERT WG Charter
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- chair: Shadi
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- scribe: CarlosI
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- regrets: none
- 12:29:57 [Zakim]
- +CarlosV
- 12:30:32 [shadi]
- zakim, call shadi-617
- 12:30:32 [Zakim]
- ok, shadi; the call is being made
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- +Shadi
- 12:30:48 [JohannesK]
- zakim, CarlosV is really Johannes
- 12:30:48 [Zakim]
- +Johannes; got it
- 12:33:12 [MikeSquillace]
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- - +1.512.823.aaaa
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- + +1.512.970.aabb
- 12:35:01 [shadi]
- hi mike
- 12:35:10 [carlosI]
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- zakim, aabb is really Mike
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- +Mike; got it
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- +Steven
- 12:36:43 [shadi]
- zakim, steven is really CarlosI
- 12:36:43 [Zakim]
- +CarlosI; got it
- 12:36:57 [shadi]
- agenda?
- 12:37:28 [shadi]
- zakim, take up agendum 1
- 12:37:28 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "Publishing "HTTP Vocabulary in RDF" and "Representing Content in RDF"" taken up [from shadi]
- 12:37:58 [shadi]
- http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/HTTP/WD-HTTP-in-RDF-20080220
- 12:38:07 [CarlosV]
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- +Johannes.a
- 12:38:25 [JohannesK]
- zakim, Johannes.a is really CarlosV
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- +CarlosV; got it
- 12:39:32 [carlosI]
- SAZ: Let's have a look first to HTTP in RDF
- 12:41:02 [carlosI]
- SAZ: first the abstract
- 12:41:17 [carlosI]
- CV: typo in the last sentence
- 12:43:03 [carlosI]
- SAZ: Next section
- 12:44:25 [carlosI]
- FK: what is the special vocabulary for HTTPS?
- 12:44:37 [carlosI]
- s/FK/JK
- 12:45:18 [carlosI]
- JK: don't think we have anything special for HTTPS
- 12:45:33 [carlosI]
- SAZ: should be just including HTTPS
- 12:45:54 [carlosI]
- SAZ: back to the Status section
- 12:46:10 [carlosI]
- SAZ: couple of editorial notes
- 12:46:57 [carlosI]
- SAZ: what changes happenned and what feedback are we looking for
- 12:47:12 [carlosI]
- SAZ: a sort of two minutes elevator speech
- 12:48:11 [carlosI]
- SAZ: any other open questions on the section?
- 12:48:31 [carlosI]
- SAZ: lets move on and come back to this section later
- 12:49:32 [carlosI]
- JK: what about the namespace for Content?
- 12:49:42 [carlosI]
- SAZ: we can assume it as correct
- 12:51:46 [carlosI]
- SAZ: use cases need further elaboration
- 12:52:32 [carlosI]
- SAZ: It looks like there is lots of implicit information there
- 12:54:16 [carlosI]
- SAZ: Think there was another use case somewhere
- 12:54:27 [carlosI]
- SAZ: JK could you look for that?
- 12:54:33 [carlosI]
- JK: will try to
- 12:55:23 [carlosI]
- SAZ: Now section 2.2.1 body property
- 12:56:03 [carlosI]
- SAZ: we could use several representations for the same content
- 12:56:11 [carlosI]
- SAZ: how to bind them here?
- 12:57:03 [carlosI]
- CV: could we use rdf:Alt
- 12:57:11 [carlosI]
- SAZ: it implies order
- 12:57:58 [carlosI]
- SAZ: three alternatives
- 12:58:11 [carlosI]
- SAZ: Sequence implies a sort of numerical order
- 12:58:38 [carlosI]
- SAZ: Alt is something like a default and other alternatives
- 12:58:57 [carlosI]
- SAZ: Bag is a generic container
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- SAZ: in same cases the default may be relevant, in other not
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- s/other/others
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- JK: in case something is XML you can use three alternatives with XMLContent as the default then TextContent and finally base64
- 13:02:35 [carlosI]
- JK: if its not XML but is still text you can have a TextContent default and then a base 64
- 13:02:52 [carlosI]
- JK: if it's not even text then use base64
- 13:04:05 [carlosI]
- SAZ: think we need two things here
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- SAZ: an example of using the body property after its description
- 13:05:31 [carlosI]
- SAZ: after the example there should be a note or something with clarification of representing content in several ways and an example
- 13:06:03 [carlosI]
- SAZ: think we should be flexible
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- SAZ: the author should decide the kind of container
- 13:07:08 [carlosI]
- SAZ: just say you should use a container and maybe do a proposal
- 13:07:37 [carlosI]
- SAZ: don't think all this have any impact on the schema
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- SAZ: does this sound ok?
- 13:09:23 [carlosI]
- JK: looks good
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- CV: ok
- 13:09:33 [carlosI]
- CI: +1
- 13:10:03 [carlosI]
- JK: should we say don't use multiple bodies properties?
- 13:11:13 [carlosI]
- CV: what if I just have one option?
- 13:11:27 [carlosI]
- JK: then you don't need any container
- 13:11:36 [carlosI]
- JK: at most one body property
- 13:13:10 [shadi]
- <http:body>
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- <cnt:Content rdf:ID="cont0"/>
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- </http:body>
- 13:13:10 [MikeSquillace]
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- 13:13:22 [shadi]
- <http:body>
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- <cnt:Content rdf:ID="cont0"/>
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- <cnt:Content rdf:ID="cont1"/>
- 13:13:27 [carlosI]
- CV: if it's base64 content don't need container, just use body property
- 13:13:30 [shadi]
- <cnt:Content rdf:ID="cont2"/>
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- </http:body>
- 13:14:02 [carlosI]
- JK: if it's XML Content but you just want one representation the use also just body property, don't need any container
- 13:14:29 [carlosI]
- JK: that doesn't work
- 13:14:41 [carlosI]
- JK: you need a Bag or any other container
- 13:15:02 [carlosI]
- JK: I think this is not proper RDF
- 13:15:18 [carlosI]
- SAZ: you need parsetype collection
- 13:15:29 [carlosI]
- JK: this is a different thing
- 13:15:37 [carlosI]
- JK: is like a closed list
- 13:15:44 [carlosI]
- JK: containers are open
- 13:16:19 [carlosI]
- SAZ: we agree on having a section that shows how to do multiple representations of a body with an example
- 13:17:52 [carlosI]
- RESOLUTION: include a section that shows how to do multiple body representations with an example
- 13:18:54 [carlosI]
- JK: a question about httpVersion
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- JK: what's the literal?
- 13:19:12 [carlosI]
- JK: just the version number or include http?
- 13:19:35 [JohannesK]
- "1.1" versus "HTTP 1.1"
- 13:21:21 [carlosI]
- JK: maybe clarify in the description
- 13:21:30 [carlosI]
- JK: just add the version number
- 13:21:59 [carlosI]
- SAZ: "Property representing the HTTP version number as a Literal."
- 13:22:33 [shadi]
- action: SAZ improve working of the abstract section
- 13:23:23 [shadi]
- action: JK send SAZ updated HTML for section 2.2.1
- 13:23:30 [carlosI]
- CV: now just two possiblities 1.0 and 1.1
- 13:23:38 [carlosI]
- CV: fix that on the schema?
- 13:23:50 [carlosI]
- SAZ: don't think is a good idea
- 13:24:05 [carlosI]
- CI: nor do I
- 13:24:49 [shadi]
- action: SAZ clarify that HTTP version is only the numerical value (digit.digit format)
- 13:25:37 [carlosI]
- SAZ: now at section 3
- 13:26:19 [carlosI]
- MS: what does "other specifications" mean?
- 13:26:44 [carlosI]
- MS: regarding "RCF 2616 or other specifications"
- 13:29:08 [carlosI]
- JK: the section don't define new terms
- 13:29:20 [carlosI]
- CV: the first paragraph is confusing
- 13:30:20 [carlosI]
- SAZ: we pick some values from other places than RCF 2616 and should mention them
- 13:30:38 [carlosI]
- JK: should say they are not mentioned in the document just in the RDF file
- 13:30:47 [carlosI]
- SAZ: but the RDF file is part of the spec
- 13:30:57 [carlosI]
- SAZ: can't separate them
- 13:31:28 [shadi]
- action: SAZ clarify the first paragraph of section 3 (to note the separation between the document contents and the RDF files, but also to clarify that other RFCs are used)
- 13:32:33 [shadi]
- action: SAZ collapse sub-section in section 3
- 13:33:38 [shadi]
- action: JK send SAZ the HTML for appendix A
- 13:34:19 [carlosI]
- SAZ: also subsection not necessary in Appendix A
- 13:35:19 [carlosI]
- SAZ: just one paragraph again at Appendix B
- 13:35:32 [carlosI]
- SAZ: move it to the introduction
- 13:36:00 [shadi]
- action: SAZ move limitations to the introduction section as a note
- 13:36:48 [carlosI]
- JK: the range for the body property should be open, not Content
- 13:37:12 [carlosI]
- SAZ: think also we should take out the range
- 13:37:45 [shadi]
- action: SAZ remove range from the body property (in appendix C and schema files)
- 13:38:31 [carlosI]
- SAZ: not sure if Appendix E and F are out of date
- 13:38:39 [carlosI]
- SAZ: need to have a look at it
- 13:39:27 [shadi]
- action: JK send SAZ updates to appendix E
- 13:39:35 [shadi]
- action: SAZ clean up appendix E and F
- 13:40:22 [carlosI]
- SAZ: not avalaible next week
- 13:41:11 [carlosI]
- SAZ: do not know when I can meet
- 13:41:16 [Zakim]
- -CarlosV
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- -Mike
- 13:41:19 [carlosI]
- SAZ: can meet next week
- 13:41:20 [Zakim]
- -Johannes
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- -Shadi
- 13:41:33 [carlosI]
- SAZ: see you all nex week
- 13:41:49 [Zakim]
- -CarlosI
- 13:41:50 [Zakim]
- WAI_ERTWG()8:30AM has ended
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- Attendees were +1.512.823.aaaa, Shadi, Johannes, +1.512.970.aabb, Mike, CarlosI, CarlosV
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- !quit
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- zakim, bye
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- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-minutes.html shadi
- 14:11:04 [shadi]
- rrsagent, make logs world
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- rrsagent, bye
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- I see 10 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: SAZ improve working of the abstract section [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-irc#T13-22-33
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: JK send SAZ updated HTML for section 2.2.1 [2]
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-irc#T13-23-23
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: SAZ clarify that HTTP version is only the numerical value (digit.digit format) [3]
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-irc#T13-24-49
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: SAZ clarify the first paragraph of section 3 (to note the separation between the document contents and the RDF files, but also to clarify that other RFCs are used) [4]
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-irc#T13-31-28
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: SAZ collapse sub-section in section 3 [5]
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-irc#T13-32-33
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: JK send SAZ the HTML for appendix A [6]
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-irc#T13-33-38
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: SAZ move limitations to the introduction section as a note [7]
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-irc#T13-36-00
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: SAZ remove range from the body property (in appendix C and schema files) [8]
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-irc#T13-37-45
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: JK send SAZ updates to appendix E [9]
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-irc#T13-39-27
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: SAZ clean up appendix E and F [10]
- 14:11:10 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/21-er-irc#T13-39-35