IRC log of xproc on 2008-05-15
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-xproc-irc
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- Meeting: XML Processing Model WG telcon
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- Chair: Henry S. Thompson (pro tem)
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- Scribe: Henry S. Thompson
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- ScribeNick: ht
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- Zakim, this will be xproc
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- ok, MoZ; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now
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- Zakim, what is the code ?
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- the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MoZ
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- XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started
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- + +0126376aaaa
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- Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/15-agenda.html
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- zakim, please call ht-781
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- +Jeroen
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- ok, ht; the call is being made
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- +Ht
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- + +1.415.404.aabb
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- +??P19
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- zakim, ? is me
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- +richard; got it
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- zakim, Jeroen is Vojtech
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- +Vojtech; got it
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- +??P17
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- zakim, who is on the call
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- I don't understand 'who is on the call', ht
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- zakim, who is on the call?
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- On the phone I see +0126376aaaa, Vojtech, Ht, +1.415.404.aabb, richard, ??P17
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- zakim, +0 is Norm
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- +Norm; got it
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- zakim, 415 is alexmilowski
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- sorry, ht, I do not recognize a party named '415'
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- zakim, +1.415 is alexmilowski
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- +alexmilowski; got it
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- I'm surprised it doesn't remember those things...
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- zakim, ??P17 is MoZ
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- +MoZ; got it
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- HT: Apologies from Paul Grosso and Alex Fang
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- s/Alex/Andrew/
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- http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/15-agenda.html
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- ht has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/15-agenda.html
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- HT: Add to the agenda PSVI handling, in first place under Technical
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- HT: Accepted as circulated and amended
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- HT: Review minutes from last week: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/08-minutes.html
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- HT: Approved without comment
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- ACTION: Norm Walsh to fix minutes of 1 May per http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/08-minutes.html
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- HT: Meeting next week: Regrets from Moz, Norm, HST
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- NW: Call next week is cancelled, next meeting is 29 May
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- Topic: PSVI preservation
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- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2008May/0095.html
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- http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/langspec.html
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- Discussion of the PSVI preservation proposal in the above message
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- Detailed discussion of the viewport [validity] case
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- RT: Points out that since the document element was not the validation root, the fact that IDREF validity isn't recorded there is not a bug
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- ACTION: HST to go think what we do with the [validation root] property inside viewport
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- MZ: Wrt outputs of compound steps, what about a choose with PSVI on one branch and not another?
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- HT: Not ruled out, author should know better
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- HT: XPath2 has to respect PSVI if possible -- OK
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- HT: Point e) no unspecced PSVI preservation
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- NW: What if RelaxNG validation does type assignment? Must I lose them?
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- AM: Why not make an exception for identity?
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- HST: Because it's an exception, and will in practice rarely be used. . .
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- NW: Exceptions are messy
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- RT: What if there is no schema for it, i.e. if XSLT2 does some type assignment?
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- -alexmilowski
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- Voytech: Also when you don't have a primary output. . .
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- NW: I'm coming around. . .
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- phone died
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- MZ: What about split-sequence?
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- +Alex_Milows
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- Voytech: Identity can be very useful to break up the order of steps
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- HT: Consensus is that we have a list of steps which MUST preserve the PSVI, starting with split-sequence and identities, i.e. steps which cannot change their input
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- NW: What about a select expression on the input?
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- ... Is it the same as viewport?
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- HT: Yes, so same rule applies
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- Voytech: Note that in the sequence case, even as input to identity, some may have PSVI and some not
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- NW: Yes, I'll add a note that points that out
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- HT: Add validate-with-xml-schema and validate-with-relaxng to the list in my point 4, impl. defn. what PSVI properties they output
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- NW: What about a more fine-grained psvi-available() function?
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- HT: I don't need it
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- MZ: I had a use case -- see email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2008May/0098.html
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- HT: [fails to explain why he thought it wasn't needed]
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- MZ/Voytech/HT: What about dynamic access to the global system properties such as xpath-version, psvi-required (and ignore-inline-prefixes)?
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- -MoZ
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- -Ht
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- -Alex_Milows
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- -Norm
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- -richard
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- XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended
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- Attendees were +0126376aaaa, Ht, +1.415.404.aabb, richard, Vojtech, Norm, alexmilowski, MoZ, Alex_Milows
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- NW: Please have a look at the simple suggestions for updating individual steps in today's agenda, and object or not via email
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- HT: Adjourned
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- zakim, who was on the call?
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- I don't understand your question, ht.
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- RRSAgent, make logs world-visible
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- RRSAgent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-xproc-minutes.html ht
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- zakim, bye
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- RRSAgent, bye
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- I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-xproc-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Norm Walsh to fix minutes of 1 May per http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/08-minutes.html [1]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-xproc-irc#T15-12-23
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- ACTION: HST to go think what we do with the [validation root] property inside viewport [2]
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- recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-xproc-irc#T15-27-59