14:52:13 RRSAgent has joined #xproc 14:52:13 logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-xproc-irc 14:52:23 Meeting: XML Processing Model WG telcon 14:52:31 Chair: Henry S. Thompson (pro tem) 14:52:40 Scribe: Henry S. Thompson 14:52:43 ScribeNick: ht 15:00:26 MoZ has joined #xproc 15:00:38 alexmilowski has joined #xproc 15:00:44 Zakim, this will be xproc 15:00:48 ok, MoZ; I see XML_PMWG()11:00AM scheduled to start now 15:00:50 Zakim, what is the code ? 15:00:50 the conference code is 97762 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), MoZ 15:01:31 Vojtech has joined #xproc 15:01:58 XML_PMWG()11:00AM has now started 15:02:08 + +0126376aaaa 15:02:26 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/15-agenda.html 15:02:32 zakim, please call ht-781 15:02:32 richard has joined #xproc 15:02:40 +Jeroen 15:02:46 ok, ht; the call is being made 15:02:48 +Ht 15:03:26 + +1.415.404.aabb 15:03:28 +??P19 15:03:36 zakim, ? is me 15:03:36 +richard; got it 15:04:58 zakim, Jeroen is Vojtech 15:05:04 +Vojtech; got it 15:05:33 +??P17 15:06:37 zakim, who is on the call 15:06:37 I don't understand 'who is on the call', ht 15:06:42 zakim, who is on the call? 15:06:42 On the phone I see +0126376aaaa, Vojtech, Ht, +1.415.404.aabb, richard, ??P17 15:07:24 zakim, +0 is Norm 15:07:24 +Norm; got it 15:07:42 zakim, 415 is alexmilowski 15:07:47 sorry, ht, I do not recognize a party named '415' 15:07:55 zakim, +1.415 is alexmilowski 15:07:55 +alexmilowski; got it 15:08:12 I'm surprised it doesn't remember those things... 15:08:15 zakim, ??P17 is MoZ 15:08:15 +MoZ; got it 15:09:22 HT: Apologies from Paul Grosso and Alex Fang 15:09:31 s/Alex/Andrew/ 15:09:45 http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/15-agenda.html 15:09:52 ht has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/15-agenda.html 15:10:19 HT: Add to the agenda PSVI handling, in first place under Technical 15:10:36 HT: Accepted as circulated and amended 15:10:51 HT: Review minutes from last week: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/08-minutes.html 15:11:03 HT: Approved without comment 15:12:23 ACTION: Norm Walsh to fix minutes of 1 May per http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/08-minutes.html 15:13:36 HT: Meeting next week: Regrets from Moz, Norm, HST 15:13:48 NW: Call next week is cancelled, next meeting is 29 May 15:14:08 Topic: PSVI preservation 15:15:15 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2008May/0095.html 15:16:20 http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/docs/langspec.html 15:25:18 Discussion of the PSVI preservation proposal in the above message 15:25:43 Detailed discussion of the viewport [validity] case 15:26:28 RT: Points out that since the document element was not the validation root, the fact that IDREF validity isn't recorded there is not a bug 15:27:59 ACTION: HST to go think what we do with the [validation root] property inside viewport 15:31:14 MZ: Wrt outputs of compound steps, what about a choose with PSVI on one branch and not another? 15:31:21 HT: Not ruled out, author should know better 15:33:24 HT: XPath2 has to respect PSVI if possible -- OK 15:35:02 HT: Point e) no unspecced PSVI preservation 15:35:40 NW: What if RelaxNG validation does type assignment? Must I lose them? 15:36:22 AM: Why not make an exception for identity? 15:36:43 HST: Because it's an exception, and will in practice rarely be used. . . 15:36:55 NW: Exceptions are messy 15:38:50 RT: What if there is no schema for it, i.e. if XSLT2 does some type assignment? 15:38:59 -alexmilowski 15:39:23 Voytech: Also when you don't have a primary output. . . 15:39:33 NW: I'm coming around. . . 15:39:35 phone died 15:39:46 MZ: What about split-sequence? 15:40:04 +Alex_Milows 15:40:44 Voytech: Identity can be very useful to break up the order of steps 15:42:44 HT: Consensus is that we have a list of steps which MUST preserve the PSVI, starting with split-sequence and identities, i.e. steps which cannot change their input 15:43:14 NW: What about a select expression on the input? 15:43:42 ... Is it the same as viewport? 15:43:53 HT: Yes, so same rule applies 15:44:49 Voytech: Note that in the sequence case, even as input to identity, some may have PSVI and some not 15:44:59 NW: Yes, I'll add a note that points that out 15:47:55 HT: Add validate-with-xml-schema and validate-with-relaxng to the list in my point 4, impl. defn. what PSVI properties they output 15:49:30 NW: What about a more fine-grained psvi-available() function? 15:49:40 HT: I don't need it 15:50:39 MZ: I had a use case -- see email http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-processing-model-wg/2008May/0098.html 15:55:12 HT: [fails to explain why he thought it wasn't needed] 15:57:13 MZ/Voytech/HT: What about dynamic access to the global system properties such as xpath-version, psvi-required (and ignore-inline-prefixes)? 15:57:31 -MoZ 15:58:07 -Ht 15:58:09 -Alex_Milows 15:58:09 -Norm 15:58:10 -richard 15:58:10 XML_PMWG()11:00AM has ended 15:58:14 Attendees were +0126376aaaa, Ht, +1.415.404.aabb, richard, Vojtech, Norm, alexmilowski, MoZ, Alex_Milows 15:58:23 alexmilowski has left #xproc 15:58:32 NW: Please have a look at the simple suggestions for updating individual steps in today's agenda, and object or not via email 15:58:39 HT: Adjourned 15:59:23 zakim, who was on the call? 15:59:23 I don't understand your question, ht. 15:59:49 RRSAgent, make logs world-visible 15:59:54 RRSAgent, draft minutes 15:59:54 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-xproc-minutes.html ht 15:59:58 zakim, bye 15:59:58 Zakim has left #xproc 16:00:06 RRSAgent, bye 16:00:06 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-xproc-actions.rdf : 16:00:06 ACTION: Norm Walsh to fix minutes of 1 May per http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2008/05/08-minutes.html [1] 16:00:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-xproc-irc#T15-12-23 16:00:06 ACTION: HST to go think what we do with the [validation root] property inside viewport [2] 16:00:06 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-xproc-irc#T15-27-59