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10:30:06 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
10:30:07 <trackbot-ng> Date: 15 May 2008
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10:42:46 <anthony> scribe: anthony
10:42:57 <anthony> chair: Andrew Emmons
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10:43:48 <anthony> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0041.html
10:44:09 <Zakim> +ChrisL
10:44:17 <anthony> Regrets: Andreas, Cameron
10:44:42 <anthony> Topic: F2F Agenda recap
10:44:45 <aemmons> http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/SophiaAntipolisF2F2008
10:45:04 <anthony> AE: Link to agenda
10:45:16 <anthony> ... is there anything else that we want to add?
10:47:03 <shepazu> Zakim, call doug-work
10:47:04 <Zakim> ok, shepazu; the call is being made
10:47:05 <Zakim> +Doug
10:49:54 <ChrisL> http://www.cg06.fr/transport/lignes-tam/230.pdf
10:52:46 <anthony> AE: Get an idea of our time spent on each topic
10:53:11 <anthony> ... so if our goal is to make a new publication of the test suite then a bit of time will be spent on that
10:53:18 <anthony> ... do we agree on that
10:53:23 <anthony> CL: Good idea
10:53:56 <anthony> DS: Put priority on getting whatever needs to be done to get Tiny 1.2 published
10:54:09 <anthony> ... next is SVG in HTML
10:54:28 <anthony> ... third thing is what is the nature of the SVG IG
10:54:35 <anthony> ... should have a short discussion on this
10:54:39 <anthony> ... what can we get from therm
10:54:45 <anthony> s/therm/them/
10:54:56 <anthony> ... membership policy, what they can do, etc
10:55:17 <anthony> AE: Discussion of the new WG home page
10:55:30 <anthony> ... also we have XML HTTP request review
10:55:39 <anthony> DS: Sort of a moving target
10:55:45 <anthony> ... XH1 is in LC
10:55:50 <anthony> ... should review that
10:56:01 <anthony> ... not necessarily in the F2F
10:56:12 <anthony> AE: So as far as SVG in HTML, how long will it take to do that?
10:56:26 <ChrisL> (that pdf link has two pages, by the way - page two is the nice to sophia direction)
10:56:43 <anthony> DS: A couple of us could break off into a scrum
10:57:32 <Zakim> -ed
10:57:50 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
10:57:51 <anthony> AE: I think for the test suite there will a lot of work there
10:58:02 <anthony> ... put 3 or 4 days to it
10:58:10 <ed> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
10:58:10 <Zakim> +ed; got it
10:58:10 <anthony> ... does that sounds like peoples expectations
10:58:14 <anthony> DS: I would expect 3
10:58:17 <anthony> ... but I could be wrong
10:58:38 <anthony> AE: We can publish and updated test suite with out an implementation report?
10:58:42 <anthony> CL: Yes we can
10:59:03 <anthony> AE: There's no reason to not be able to do one, could be distracting perhaps
10:59:11 <anthony> ED: Could take a bit of time
11:03:01 <ChrisL> Meet in hotel lobby at 07:50, I wil ltake you on the tram to the bus staion
11:03:17 <ChrisL> then we get the 08:15 sophia express, arriving 09:15
11:03:24 <ChrisL> start meeting at 09:30
11:03:40 <anthony> Topic: Test Review Status
11:04:18 <anthony> AE: Try to get people to review tests in spare time
11:04:29 <anthony> ... still some tests on the list that don't have a reviewer
11:05:45 <anthony> Topic: 1.2 Filter Region Extensions
11:05:46 <aemmons> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0014.html
11:06:04 <anthony> ED: I have had a chance to read this
11:06:08 <anthony> ... not sure I agree with this
11:06:46 <anthony> ... can have filter units userSpaceOnUse
11:07:07 <anthony> ... there is a need to have a filter margins to disappear
11:07:32 <anthony> ... Having margins specified in the mark up is ok
11:08:18 <anthony> CL: Good for authoring tools to specify this
11:09:08 <anthony> AE: Do we agree with that and should we reply?
11:09:14 <anthony> ED: We should reply
11:09:21 <anthony> ... I would like to keep filter margins in the spec
11:09:48 <anthony> ... tools can specify the markup
11:10:01 <anthony> CL: Think we all agree with you pretty much
11:10:34 <ed> s/tools can specify the markup/tools can generate the filter-margins markup, and viewers will be able to handle that more efficiently/
11:10:44 <anthony> ACTION: Erik to respond to Robert regarding the removal of SVG 1.2 filter region extensions
11:10:44 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2018 - Respond to Robert regarding the removal of SVG 1.2 filter region extensions [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-05-22].
11:11:05 <anthony> Topic: feTurbulence clarifications
11:11:11 <aemmons> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0017.html
11:11:25 <anthony> ED: This is pretty much resolved as to what he was asking
11:11:30 <anthony> ... in an email thread
11:11:56 <anthony> ... he was asking what one of the parameters to feTurbulence meant
11:12:10 <anthony> CL: Do people use that C code, does it help them?
11:12:13 <anthony> ED: I think so
11:12:34 <anthony> CL: Is it useful as documentation?
11:12:39 <anthony> ED: I think so
11:13:01 <anthony> CL: They decided in the past to document using pseudo code
11:13:22 <anthony> ... don't mind putting it in a separate file
11:13:46 <anthony> ED: Would like to have Cameron to say something about this
11:13:52 <anthony> ... had look at the filter code in Batik
11:14:12 <anthony> ... looked to me like my interpretation was correct
11:15:15 <anthony> ACTION: Eric to clarify parameters to feTurbulence as per Robert's email
11:15:15 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, couldn't find user - Eric
11:15:26 <anthony> ACTION: Erik to clarify parameters to feTurbulence as per Robert's email
11:15:27 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2019 - Clarify parameters to feTurbulence as per Robert's email [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-05-22].
11:15:59 <anthony> Topic: source-image offset-dimensions control
11:16:01 <aemmons> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0018.html
11:16:07 <anthony> ED: was experimenting a bit
11:16:14 <anthony> ... which part of an image you draw
11:16:19 <anthony> ... in an SVG element
11:16:35 <anthony> ... would be useful to pick part of an image
11:16:45 <aemmons> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0011.html
11:16:50 <anthony> ... in image co-ordinates which would be pixels I guess
11:17:16 <anthony> AE: What feed back did you get on that?
11:17:22 <anthony> ED: Feedback is positive
11:18:04 <anthony> ... would like to specify percentages of the dimension of the image
11:18:36 <anthony> CL: so can't you do this in clip?
11:18:38 <anthony> ... you can't do any percentages in the clip and you would have to know the dimensions
11:18:59 <anthony> s/... you can't do any percentages in the clip and you would have to know the dimensions/ED: you can't do any percentages in the clip and you would have to know the dimensions/
11:19:34 <anthony> AE: Interesting if it could be animated
11:20:05 <ed> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0025.html
11:20:22 <anthony> ED: Might be possible to do a more general solution
11:20:31 <anthony> ... when referencing an SVG image
11:20:39 <anthony> ... can't override the view box currently
11:20:46 <anthony> AE: My question is where do you think this would go?
11:20:52 <anthony> ... a future module?
11:20:54 <anthony> ED: Yes
11:21:14 <anthony> AE: What kind of module would this be?
11:21:19 <anthony> ... right now it's in structure
11:21:32 <anthony> ED: Would be useful to discuss how we move forward with the modules
11:21:44 <anthony> ... might be useful to have an SVG Full call module
11:21:53 <Zakim> -aemmons
11:22:02 <ed> s/full call/full core/
11:22:10 <anthony> ... certainly a need to add some definitions on top of Tiny
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11:22:38 <anthony> CL: You mean a whole single module that takes Tiny to Full?
11:23:03 <anthony> ED: Intro definitions need to be updated and what kind of links as well
11:23:51 <anthony> AE: If there is a general agreement, do we a place on the wiki to put these new ideas
11:24:16 <anthony> DS: Use tracker and wiki
11:24:29 <anthony> ... Tracker can document individual issues and wiki can be used to give priority
11:24:37 <anthony> ED: Would like to get feedback from the interest group
11:25:55 <anthony> ACTION: Doug to set up a wiki page that stores our ideas for modules
11:25:55 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2020 - Set up a wiki page that stores our ideas for modules [on Doug Schepers - due 2008-05-22].
11:26:31 <anthony> DS: What exactly is the first thing I should be putting up here?
11:26:44 <anthony> AE: The source image proposal that we discussed
11:28:42 <anthony> Topic: filter primitive subregion and feGaussianBlur
11:28:52 <aemmons> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008May/0013.html
11:30:08 <anthony> ED: I guess he's correct in restricting calculation is kind of ambiguous
11:30:18 <anthony> ... the section he is quoting is quite generic
11:30:49 <anthony> ... also says it has to be treated like a hard clipping region
11:30:59 <anthony> ... not sure if I replied to this or not
11:31:10 <anthony> AE: No reply to this
11:31:22 <anthony> ... so is this something that would warrant changing the wording?
11:31:53 <anthony> ... is there something we could change to make it more obvious to others?
11:32:14 <anthony> ED: Could add implementations are recommended to not perform filtering outside of the hard clipping region
11:32:30 <anthony> DS: I can't imagine that implementations might want to
11:33:03 <anthony> ... we should make it informative not normative
11:33:09 <anthony> ... this is an implementation tip
11:33:16 <anthony> ... not a conformance criteria
11:35:25 <anthony> ED: The important part is the clipping region
11:36:29 <anthony> AE: There's probably no point in adding anything, unless it's a really bad problem
11:36:59 <anthony> DS: We could make the change and respond
11:37:15 <anthony> ED: There is a second part here
11:37:20 <anthony> ... haven't had time to study that
11:37:26 <anthony> ... that would need to be addressed as well
11:37:40 <anthony> CL: What it means it doesn't reflect
11:37:47 <anthony> ... doesn't have an edge
11:37:57 <anthony> ... that says now the filter repeats if it is big enough
11:38:56 <ChrisL> > If the input has infinite extent and is a tile, the filter is evaluated
11:38:56 <ChrisL> with periodic boundary conditions.
11:39:25 <ChrisL> surely if its infinite extent then whether it tiles is irrelevant. there can only be one such tile, so its boundaries are never reached
11:39:40 <ChrisL> check where that sentence comes from, it looks bogus to me.
11:40:19 <anthony> ACTION: Erik to add informative implementation tip regarding filter primitive subregion and research the second question in Robert's email and respond to that as well
11:40:19 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-2021 - Add informative implementation tip regarding filter primitive subregion and research the second question in Robert's email and respond to that as well [on Erik Dahlström - due 2008-05-22].
11:50:39 <Zakim> -ChrisL
11:50:40 <Zakim> -aemmons_
11:50:42 <Zakim> -ed
11:50:50 <Zakim> -anthony
11:51:01 <Zakim> -Doug
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11:51:04 <Zakim> Attendees were aemmons, anthony, ed, ChrisL, Doug, aemmons_
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