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18:01:32 <johnarwe> zakim, this will be sml
18:01:32 <Zakim> ok, johnarwe, I see XML_SMLWG()2:00PM already started
18:01:51 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:01:59 <pratul> Zakim, Microsoft is me
18:01:59 <Zakim> +pratul; got it
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18:03:01 <ginny> zakim, aabb is me
18:03:01 <Zakim> +ginny; got it
18:03:11 <Jordan> zakim, aacc is me
18:03:11 <Zakim> +Jordan; got it
18:03:16 <Zakim> + +1.425.836.aadd
18:03:51 <ginny> meeting: W3C SML Teleconference of 2008-May-15
18:03:54 <Zakim> +Igor_Sedukhin
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18:04:57 <ginny> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008May/0061.html
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18:05:03 <Kirk> zakim, aaee is me
18:05:03 <Zakim> +Kirk; got it
18:05:12 <Jim> zakim, aaee is me
18:05:12 <Zakim> sorry, Jim, I do not recognize a party named 'aaee'
18:05:13 <johnarwe> zakim, aadd is kumar
18:05:13 <Zakim> +kumar; got it
18:05:34 <ginny> scribe: Virginia Smith
18:05:36 <ginny> scribenick: ginny
18:05:52 <Kirk> zakim, kirk is jim
18:05:52 <Zakim> +jim; got it
18:06:03 <ginny> Regrets: Sandy
18:06:05 <ginny> Chair: Pratul
18:06:16 <ginny> zakim, who's here?
18:06:16 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.845.433.aaaa, pratul, ginny, Jordan, kumar, Igor_Sedukhin, jim
18:06:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see Kumar, Kirk, Jim, Jordan, ginny, Zakim, RRSAgent, pratul, johnarwe, MSM, trackbot-ng
18:07:09 <johnarwe> zakim, aaaa is me
18:07:09 <Zakim> +johnarwe; got it
18:07:35 <johnarwe> zakim, Igor_Sedukhin is Kirk
18:07:35 <Zakim> +Kirk; got it
18:07:42 <ginny> rrsagent, generate minutes
18:07:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-sml-minutes.html ginny
18:07:44 <ginny> rrsagent, make log public
18:08:08 <ginny> Topic: Approval of minutes 5/1
18:08:23 <ginny> No objections heard.
18:13:09 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5513
18:15:46 <ginny> John: this bug is tracking changes to XML schema and still in editorial queue
18:20:09 <ginny> Pratul: could add comment to say our decision stands but other things commented on are tracked in other bugs.
18:20:26 <johnarwe> s/decision/decision in comment 7/
18:25:21 <ginny> Pratul: bug is really about using sml:ref vs xlink
18:27:05 <ginny> Kumar: proposal to close this bug with a note that all issues are being tracked by other bugs
18:27:19 <ginny> Pratul: this is comment #11
18:27:48 <ginny> Original resolution is in comment #7
18:28:34 <johnarwe> +1 to pratul's suggestion - no reason to annoy him
18:30:11 <ginny> Pratul: Proposal to add boilerplate text and add note pointing to resolution as in comment #7 and also comment #11; all other issues are being tracked in other bugs
18:30:58 <ginny> John: rather than refer to comment #7, we should restate it since there is an error there
18:31:05 <Zakim> -pratul
18:32:44 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:33:45 <pratul> Zakim, Microsoft is me
18:33:45 <Zakim> +pratul; got it
18:34:29 <Kumar> This bug is about a single issue: why do we need to use sml:ref=true to denote a reference. Comment #7 addressed it fully. That comment has a copy-paste error (a wrong proposal was pasted). To avoid confusion, we have reproduced the correct part of the response from comment# 7 below:
18:34:29 <Kumar>  
18:34:29 <Kumar> sml:ref="true" identifies an SML reference and is orthogonal to the SML Reference scheme used to carry the address.
18:34:29 <Kumar>  
18:34:32 <Kumar> The other issues mentioned in parts of the bug text are being tracked separately as 5541, 5542 and 5561 (see comment# 11).
18:34:36 <Kumar>  
18:34:39 <Kumar> Since the central issue of this bug has been adequately and since we have not received any comment opposing the resolution, we are closing this bug. If you do not agree to this, please add a comment to this bug.
18:35:09 <ginny> c/adequately/adequately addressed/
18:39:40 <Kumar> This bug was originally about a single issue: why do we need to use sml:ref=true to denote a reference? Comment #7 addressed it fully. That comment has a copy-paste error (a wrong proposal was pasted). To avoid confusion, we have reproduced the correct part of the response from comment# 7 below:
18:39:40 <Kumar>  
18:39:40 <Kumar> sml:ref="true" identifies an SML reference and is orthogonal to the SML Reference scheme used to carry the address.
18:39:40 <Kumar>  
18:39:43 <Kumar> The other issues mentioned in parts of the bug text are being tracked separately as 5541, 5542 and 5561 (see comment# 11).
18:39:46 <Kumar>  
18:39:49 <Kumar> Since the central issue of this bug has been adequately addressed and since we have not received any comment opposing the resolution, we plan to close this bug.  Please review the resolution adopted and let us know if you agree with this resolution of your issue, by adding a comment to the issue record and changing the Status of the issue to Closed. Or, if you do not agree with this resolution, please add a comment explaining why. If
18:39:53 <Kumar> you wish to appeal the WG's decision to the Director, then also change the Status of the record to Reopened. If you wish to record your dissent, but do not wish to appeal the decision to the Director, then change the Status of the record to Closed. If we do not hear from you in the next two weeks, we will assume you agree with the WG decision.
18:42:18 <ginny> Resolution: Resolution agreed on as written by Kumar above. Remove editorial, add decided, externalComments keywords.
18:42:27 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5520
18:48:19 <ginny> Proposal: Fix per comment #5 and add standard boilerplate text. Add decided keyword. 
18:49:13 <ginny> Resolution: fix per proposal
18:49:24 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5529
18:51:14 <ginny> Pratul: we did not add boilerplate text; we should do that today and add decided keyword
18:54:44 <ginny> Resolution: agreed on Pratul's proposal; bug updated by Kumar
18:55:01 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5524
18:56:06 <ginny> c/5524/5298/
18:56:59 <johnarwe> +1
18:57:18 <ginny> Resolution: mark bug as fixed
18:57:19 <Jim> +1
18:58:03 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5524
18:59:29 <ginny> Proposal: add boilerplate text and add decided keyword
19:03:12 <ginny> ... and also refer to Bug 5520
19:03:56 <ginny> Resolution: agreed on above proposal
19:04:22 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5545
19:06:40 <ginny> Proposal: add boilerplate text and add decided keyword
19:06:45 <johnarwe> +1 
19:07:17 <ginny> Resolution: agreed to proposal
19:07:19 <johnarwe> (to be clear for the IRC log - speaking on behalf of IBM all day today, chair hat off for the day since no IBM reps available otherwise)
19:10:12 <johnarwe> topic: bug 5541
19:12:17 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5541
19:12:32 <ginny> Defer to next call
19:12:59 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5519
19:18:09 <ginny> John: Comment #6 rephrases the question in 2nd to last paragraph. Last paragraph is a rough draft of a proposal.
19:19:25 <ginny> Kumar: similar to Comment #5, proposal #1?
19:21:36 <ginny> Kumar: if an element is not schema-valid; SML validator will not have access to element information required to assess SML validity. There is variability in schema validation.
19:22:31 <ginny> John: MSM #1 says "implementations vary" which is weaker that first line of comment #6.
19:31:23 <ginny> Kumar: we agree that we do not depend on 'validation attempted'. Value of 'validity' must be true in order to enforce SML constraints.
19:32:18 <ginny> Kumar: validity must be true for anything to which an SML constraint is attached.
19:32:47 <ginny> John: what about when schema validity is not true and an SMl constraint is attached to an element?
19:33:06 <ginny> c/SMl/SML/
19:34:46 <ginny> Discussion to be postponed until next week; continue in email.
19:36:09 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5562
19:39:37 <ginny> Resolution: add boilerplate text endorsing comment #3 and add decided keyword
19:40:45 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5561
19:42:36 <ginny> c/5561/5523/
19:45:20 <ginny> Proposal: add comment requesting Henry to let us know if the resolution is acceptable
19:45:44 <ginny> c/resolution/resolution in comment #2/
19:46:57 <ginny> Resolution: agreed on proposal
19:47:57 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5525
19:48:43 <ginny> RESOLUTION: add comment requesting Henry to let us know if the resolution is acceptable
19:48:59 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5526
19:49:57 <ginny> RESOLUTION: add comment requesting Henry to let us know if the resolution is acceptable
19:51:20 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5528
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19:52:53 <ginny> RESOLUTION: add boilerplate text and decided keyword
19:53:11 <ginny> Topic: Bug 5522
19:58:45 <ginny> Proposal: Use the term "owner" and reference the definition at http://www.w3.org/TR/xml-infoset/#infoitem.attribute; also add boilerplate text and decided, editorial keywords
19:59:08 <ginny> RESOLUTION: proposal accepted
19:59:20 <ginny> c/resolution/RESOLUTION/g
19:59:39 <ginny> c/Resolution/RESOLUTION/g
19:59:50 <Zakim> -ginny
19:59:51 <Zakim> -Jordan
19:59:52 <Zakim> -kumar
19:59:53 <Zakim> -pratul
19:59:53 <Zakim> -Kirk
20:00:00 <Zakim> -johnarwe
20:00:07 <ginny> zakim, list attendees
20:00:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been +1.845.433.aaaa, pratul, +1.530.823.aabb, +1.303.495.aacc, ginny, Jordan, +1.425.836.aadd, +1.610.277.aaee, kumar, jim, johnarwe, Kirk
20:00:09 <ginny> rrsagent, generate minutes
20:00:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/15-sml-minutes.html ginny
20:00:10 <ginny> rrsagent, make log public
20:00:15 <Zakim> -jim
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20:00:17 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.845.433.aaaa, pratul, +1.530.823.aabb, +1.303.495.aacc, ginny, Jordan, +1.425.836.aadd, +1.610.277.aaee, kumar, jim, johnarwe, Kirk
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