IRC log of ua on 2008-05-13

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logging to
17:47:08 [AllanJ]
rrsagent, set logs public
17:47:21 [AllanJ]
zakim, this will be wai_u
17:47:21 [Zakim]
I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, AllanJ
17:54:00 [Jan]
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having really nasty hardware problems -- will dial in momentarily
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can't get on zakim... conference full..
18:03:38 [oedipus]
ok, glad it isn't just me -- one computer died and another isn't working right (won't let me copy-and-paste)
18:04:02 [oedipus]
just send a post to the ua list -- will try and mirror contents on wiki as i was attempting before my last reboot
18:05:03 [Jan]
gregory, what's your home number?
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We'll try to conference you in
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shall i try again?
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wiki version of GJR's latest post:
18:11:50 [Jan]
please give us your phone number and we will try calling you
18:11:56 [AllanJ]
what is your home phone we will try and conference you in
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+1 973 746 1192
18:12:56 [Jan]
Scribe: Jan
18:13:00 [KFord]
phoning now.
18:13:25 [oedipus]
older re-write moved to:
18:17:52 [AllanJ]
Discussion of gregory's 3 issues
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1. <INS> An access element must have either a targetrole or a targetid attribute specified. If neither a targetrole nor a targetid attribute are specified, the user agent MUST NOT define a mapping nor deliver any events. </INS> was dropped
18:18:52 [AllanJ]
all: agree to re-insert into document
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18:23:53 [AllanJ]
all: move rollid statements into Access Element section
18:25:20 [oedipus]
UAAG chp 1.2 chp 9.5 chp 9.6 ckp 11.4
18:27:56 [oedipus]
UAAG 1.0 1.2 and 9.5 addressed in
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missing from rewording previously cited UAAG 1.0 checkpoints 9.6 and 11.4
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discussion of keybinding override implementation
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...and SHOULD or MUST requirement
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2. Conformance Requirements
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This section is normative.
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The keywords "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in [RFC2119].
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Note that all examples in this document are informative, and are not meant to be interpreted as normative requirements.
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key words for use in RFCs to indicate requirement levels:
18:37:21 [AllanJ]
JR: test case: author thinks through the controls. then a user wants to remap due to range of motion to concentrate keys on left side of keyboard
18:38:25 [AllanJ]
KF: or using an AT, and the author key conflicts with AT, yes...can bypass the key but gets tedious, so user remaps author key to not conflict with AT
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18:40:33 [oedipus]
all basically, author proposes, user disposes
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RFC 2119: 1. MUST This word, or the terms "REQUIRED" or "SHALL", mean that the
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definition is an absolute requirement of the specification.
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RFC 2119: "3. SHOULD This word, or the adjective "RECOMMENDED", mean that there may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to ignore a particular item, but the full implications must be understood and carefully weighed before choosing a different course."
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SHOULD make available the list of input device event types for which there are event handlers explicitly associated with the element.
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Topic: Review work
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Access element wording
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JR: +1
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GR: +1
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KF: +1
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JA: +1
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Activate element wording:
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JR: +1
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KF: +1
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GR: +1
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JA: +1
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Key binding wording:
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JR: +1
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GR: +1
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KF: +1
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JA: +1
19:02:11 [AllanJ]
all final approved wordings are found in the Propose Wording sections of the following
19:03:17 [Jan]
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In all 3 cases, the relevant section is: "Proposed Re-Wording"
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3.1. The access element
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The access element assigns an accessibility mapping to elements within a document. Actuating the mapping results in the element gaining focus (either the document focus or an inspection focus, as determined by the user agent), and, if set by the author and permitted by the user's settings, in one or more other events being activated.
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An access element must have either a targetrole or a targetid attribute specified. If neither a targetrole nor a targetid attribute are specified, the user agent MUST NOT define a mapping nor deliver any events.
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3.1.1. activate = ( yes | no* )
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The activate attribute indicates whether a target element should be activated or not once it obtains focus. The default value for this attribute is "no", indicating that the element will not be "activated". User agents may provide mechanisms for overriding the author setting with user-specified settings in order to ensure that the act of moving content focus does not cause the user agent to...
19:07:15 [Jan]
...take any further action (UAAG 1.0, Checkpoint 9.5).
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User agents MUST provide keyboard mechanisms for "activating" any event associated with the focused element (UAAG 1.0, Checkpoint 1.2) and SHOULD make available the list of events associated with the element (UAAG 1.0, Checkpoint 9.6).
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3.1.2. key = Character
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This attribute assigns a key mapping to an access shortcut. An access key is a single character from the document character set.
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Triggering the access key defined in an access element moves focus from its current position to the next element in navigation order that has one of the referenced role or id values (consult Section 3.1.1, Activate for information on how the element may be activated). Note that it is possible to deliver alternate events via XMLEVENTS.
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The invocation of access keys depends on the implementation. For instance, on some systems one may have to press an "alt" or "cmd" key in addition to the access key.
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The character assigned to a key, and its relationship to a role or id attribute SHOULD be treated as an author suggestion. User agents may override any key assignment (e.g., if an assignment interferes with the operation of the user interface of the user agent, if the key is not available on a device, if a key is used by the operating environment). User agents SHOULD also allow users to...
19:10:13 [Jan]
...override author assigned keys with their own key assignments (UAAG 1.0, Checkpoint 11.3). If a user chooses to change the key binding, the resultant user-defined remapping SHOULD persist across sessions.
19:10:16 [Jan]
If no key attribute is specified, the user agent SHOULD assign a key and alert the user to the key mapping and the resultant user agent assigned key SHOULD persist across sessions.
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The rendering of access keys depends on the user agent. We recommend that authors include the access key character in label text or wherever the access key is to apply. If the user agent can recognize that the currently mapped access key character appears in the label text of the element to which it is mapped, then the user agent may render the character in such a way as to emphasize its...
19:10:24 [Jan]
...role as the access key and distinguish it from other characters (e.g., by underlining it).
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A conforming user agent SHOULD also provide a centralized view of the current access key assignments (UAAG 1.0 Checkpoint 11.1, UAAG 1.0 Checkpoint 11.2).
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RRSAgent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate Jan
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Zakim, bye
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19:10:58 [Jan]
RRSAgent, bye
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I see no action items