IRC log of svg on 2008-05-13
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- Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 13 May 2008
- 10:33:00 [aemmons]
- zakim, who is here?
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- On the phone I see no one
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- On IRC I see RRSAgent, aemmons, ed, anthony, heycam, shepazu, trackbot-ng
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- I don't see anyone present, ed
- 10:38:42 [aemmons]
- Scribe: Andrew Emmons
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- ScribeNick: aemmons
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- Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0032.html
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- See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-irc#T10-49-35
- 10:50:36 [aemmons]
- Topic: JSR Coordination Issues
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- Present: Andrew, Andreas, Anthony, Chris, Erik
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- Topic: JSR Coordination Issues
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- Regrets: Cameron
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- Chair: Erik
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- Scribe: Andrew
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- ScribeNick: aemmons
- 10:52:00 [ChrisL]
- rrsagent, here
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- See http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-svg-irc#T10-52-00
- 10:52:18 [ed]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0055.html
- 10:53:32 [shepazu]
- Zakim, who is here?
- 10:53:32 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see no one
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- On IRC I see ChrisL, aneumann, Zakim, RRSAgent, aemmons, ed, anthony, heycam, shepazu
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- 10:54:35 [aemmons]
- CL: We said it would just be traits, but you cannot access everyhitng with just traits so we added get/set attribute
- 10:55:14 [aemmons]
- CL: We got comfortable with get/setAttribute. The issue is if they can normalize. With DOM 3 they can
- 10:55:39 [aemmons]
- CL: We say normalization will happen in SVGT 1.2
- 10:55:54 [aemmons]
- CL: Can't put 7 spaces, value and do getAttribute and expect spaces
- 10:56:07 [aemmons]
- CL: Whay do they want it removed
- 10:56:20 [aemmons]
- ED: They were added at the request of CDF
- 10:56:59 [aemmons]
- CL: Ok, so it's the same as setAttributeNS but using null
- 10:57:17 [aemmons]
- CL: Worrying about what happens when you get a qualified attribute
- 10:57:42 [aemmons]
- CL: If you as for href, do you get xlink:href or only an unnames attribute called href?
- 10:57:50 [aemmons]
- CL: Most attributes we have are unqualified
- 10:58:25 [aemmons]
- CL: Most of our attribures are in the unnamed namespace
- 10:59:56 [aemmons]
- CL: I do not see their examples as counter-intuitive
- 11:01:21 [aemmons]
- CL: As their example increases, it gets confusing
- 11:01:29 [aemmons]
- DS: We should ask them to join a telcon
- 11:01:45 [aemmons]
- CL: I don't understand how they are getting the answers they do
- 11:02:37 [aemmons]
- CL: Think we need to respond to their e-mail asking for clarifications
- 11:04:35 [aemmons]
- ACTION: Aemmons to write JSR 287 EG and ask for clarification
- 11:04:35 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-2011 - Write JSR 287 EG and ask for clarification [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-05-20].
- 11:05:17 [aemmons]
- Topic: Path normalization close command
- 11:05:25 [ed]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0015.html
- 11:05:42 [aemmons]
- ED: Discussed this in previous telcon
- 11:06:23 [aemmons]
- CL: Saw a concern that if path added an extra line it would affect interpolation of path data because there is an extra segment
- 11:06:51 [aemmons]
- DS: Also affects semantics of it. Script trying to detect if something was a closed path might have more difficulty
- 11:07:30 [aemmons]
- ED: I wasn't saying you remove the close command, but close command interpreted as a lineTo
- 11:07:47 [aemmons]
- DS: I think adding a 'z' is enough
- 11:08:06 [aemmons]
- ED: Yes, the spec says if the end path is not the same as the start, you do a lineTo the start
- 11:08:13 [aemmons]
- ED: But am fine either way
- 11:08:25 [aemmons]
- ED: No string opinion
- 11:08:34 [aemmons]
- s/string/strong/
- 11:08:51 [aemmons]
- CL: Would like to see what implementations do
- 11:09:13 [aemmons]
- CL: Would like to see a test. One with implicit close one without
- 11:09:24 [aemmons]
- CL: Investigate a bit what implementations do
- 11:10:18 [aemmons]
- DS: What implementations do we expect to test?
- 11:10:33 [aemmons]
- CL: is the normalization aspect part of 1.1?
- 11:11:05 [aemmons]
- ED: Partly, it says these are the allowed commands but does not mandate how it is done
- 11:11:38 [aemmons]
- CL: It is now a problem because now we have internal normilization exposed ( what is in the DOM )
- 11:12:40 [aemmons]
- CL: 1.2 Tiny implementations but worth it to investigate 1.1 as well, the interpolation aspect at least
- 11:13:01 [aemmons]
- DS: I ask because I do not use these as an author ( Path DOM ) for 1.1
- 11:13:45 [aemmons]
- CL: Test 2 paths, see if they interpolate, no DOM used there
- 11:14:09 [aemmons]
- CL: Separately, another which has a path and then uses DOM to display segments
- 11:14:34 [aemmons]
- DS: Might be best to simply specify something and notify implementations.
- 11:14:50 [aemmons]
- DS: If we're finding this now, seems like a minor issue
- 11:15:14 [aemmons]
- CL: I don't think so.
- 11:15:29 [aemmons]
- CL: Certainly worth testing the interpolation with 1.1
- 11:17:17 [aemmons]
- ACTION: Andreas to create two tests for normalizing 'z'. One with interpolation with 1.1, another with path DOM. Note one exists already for 1.2 DOM
- 11:17:18 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-2012 - Create two tests for normalizing 'z'. One with interpolation with 1.1, another with path DOM. Note one exists already for 1.2 DOM [on Andreas Neumann - due 2008-05-20].
- 11:19:26 [aemmons]
- RESOLUTION: We will investigate quickly the issues, hopefully by the F2F meeting
- 11:19:58 [aemmons]
- Topic: Initial response for font-style issue
- 11:20:00 [ed]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Apr/0070.html
- 11:21:00 [ed]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-svg-wg/2008AprJun/0033.html
- 11:23:53 [aemmons]
- ED: Cameron suggests fixing our free font to have an italic version
- 11:24:01 [aemmons]
- CL: Sure, font exists, we could use it
- 11:24:29 [aemmons]
- CL: All doesn't mean it guarentees it has bold/italic, it means it's really not telling you what it has
- 11:25:21 [aemmons]
- CL: A agree, having italic as well would be good, and font-style. But those are specific responses to the test
- 11:25:50 [aemmons]
- AE: IN other words, there needsw to still be some clarification
- 11:25:53 [aemmons]
- CL: Yes
- 11:26:02 [aemmons]
- CL: I don't mind responding
- 11:26:31 [aemmons]
- ACTION: Chris to respond to Kalle regarding font-style issue
- 11:26:32 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-2013 - Respond to Kalle regarding font-style issue [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-05-20].
- 11:27:01 [aemmons]
- Topic: Font-family selection
- 11:27:06 [ed]
- http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2008Apr/0069.html
- 11:27:53 [aemmons]
- CL: Again, requires some possible clarification in the spec.
- 11:28:13 [aemmons]
- CL: I strated to look at this and collect the relevant pieces.
- 11:29:04 [ChrisL]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS2/fonts.html#aname
- 11:29:29 [ChrisL]
- A full font name would be Helvetica-BoldItalic
- 11:29:37 [ChrisL]
- a font family name would be helvetica
- 11:29:52 [aemmons]
- CL: A lot of Adobe tools get this wrong
- 11:30:49 [ed]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/fonts.html#FontFaceNameElement doesn't really say anything about what it is
- 11:32:00 [aemmons]
- ACTION: Chris to review font-family selection e-mail, bring issues back to the group for discussion
- 11:32:00 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-2014 - Review font-family selection e-mail, bring issues back to the group for discussion [on Chris Lilley - due 2008-05-20].
- 11:32:30 [ed]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/SVGMobile12/fonts.html#FontFaceSrcElement compare to http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/fonts.html#FontFaceSrcElement :)
- 11:33:30 [aemmons]
- ED: SVG 1.2 has a better definition
- 11:36:21 [aemmons]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/products/13
- 11:39:39 [aemmons]
- ISSUE-272
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- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/272
- 11:42:13 [Zakim]
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- ACTION: Aemmons to make suggested changes discussed in issue-272
- 11:42:13 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-2015 - Make suggested changes discussed in issue-272 [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-05-20].
- 11:42:28 [ed]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/334
- 11:42:35 [aemmons]
- TOPIC: Issue-334
- 11:42:37 [aemmons]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/334
- 11:42:52 [aemmons]
- ED: Agree, would be nice to have some combined tests ( scripting/animation )
- 11:43:34 [aemmons]
- ACTION: Anthony to create test with both animation and scripting
- 11:43:34 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-2016 - Create test with both animation and scripting [on Anthony Grasso - due 2008-05-20].
- 11:44:51 [ChrisL]
- eg an animation from red to yellow, half way through a script changes red to blue on the element so the animation now goes from glue to yellow
- 11:45:02 [ChrisL]
- s/glue/blue/
- 11:45:36 [aemmons]
- Topic: ISSUE-337
- 11:45:38 [aemmons]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/337
- 11:45:38 [ed]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/track/issues/337
- 11:46:37 [aemmons]
- ACTION: CHange test as discussed in issue-337
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- Sorry, couldn't find user - CHange
- 11:46:47 [aemmons]
- ACTION: Aemmons to CHange test as discussed in issue-337
- 11:46:47 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-2017 - CHange test as discussed in issue-337 [on Andrew Emmons - due 2008-05-20].
- 11:48:47 [aemmons]
- http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Group/wiki/TestCoverage
- 11:50:09 [Zakim]
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- 11:53:04 [aemmons]
- Topic: Libre graphics
- 11:53:05 [ChrisL]
- http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2008/index.php?lang=en&action=program
- 11:53:14 [aemmons]
- CL: Conference in Poland
- 11:53:32 [aemmons]
- CL: Had a talk on SVG
- 11:53:49 [aemmons]
- CL: Much of useful stuff. A lot of Inkscape guys
- 11:54:04 [aemmons]
- CL: Talked to the implementer of filters
- 11:54:11 [shepazu]
- s/Poland/Wrocław/
- 11:54:19 [aemmons]
- CL: Designer there with a demo of Inkscape
- 11:54:26 [shepazu]
- s/Poland/Wrocław, Poland/
- 11:54:27 [aemmons]
- CL: Mostly developers on opensource projects
- 11:54:37 [aemmons]
- CL: Everyone is using SVG
- 11:54:43 [shepazu]
- s/Wrocław/Wrocław, Poland/
- 11:54:48 [aemmons]
- CL: Was useful being there to give answers
- 11:55:16 [aemmons]
- CL: Interesting presentation - designers who showed how they work with free software
- 11:55:27 [aemmons]
- CL: Inkscape, scribous. SVG as common exchange format
- 11:55:35 [aemmons]
- CL: SVG generated by databases via script
- 11:55:43 [shepazu]
- s/scribous/Scribus/
- 11:55:43 [aemmons]
- CL: Eventualy target CYMK print
- 11:56:00 [aemmons]
- CL: Using flowing text feature
- 11:56:23 [aemmons]
- CL: Both are interested in support for ICC color and SVG Print
- 11:57:20 [aemmons]
- CL: Talk on WebFonts - interesting but used to giving the talk to designers
- 11:57:28 [aemmons]
- CL: Demoed video fonts in Raindow
- 11:57:43 [aemmons]
- CL: Showed BitFlash with video tests from testsuite
- 11:57:54 [aemmons]
- CL: A lot of questions about 1.2
- 11:57:58 [aemmons]
- CL: Not just a mobile spec
- 11:58:25 [aemmons]
- CL: Explained module architecture
- 11:58:35 [aemmons]
- CL: They are excited about vector Effects
- 11:58:42 [aemmons]
- CL: Promoted SVG IG
- 11:59:00 [aemmons]
- CL: Got interviewed by designers who are interested in 'process'
- 11:59:10 [aemmons]
- CL: Go out as a podcast
- 11:59:49 [aemmons]
- CL: Said W3C has way to involve Engineers, Managers and Lawyers. Working on Designers
- 12:00:05 [aemmons]
- CL: Getting dialogue, etc
- 12:01:05 [aemmons]
- CL: I spoke with Liam, talking about XSL and SVG to work closely
- 12:01:20 [aemmons]
- CL: Want to know how to do padding which is not rectangular
- 12:01:53 [aemmons]
- CL: Going to propose somehting to the XSL group
- 12:02:15 [aemmons]
- CL: It was very productive
- 12:02:22 [aemmons]
- CL: Totally free conference
- 12:02:28 [ChrisL]
- http://libregraphicsmeeting.org/2008/index.php?lang=en
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- http://pledgie.com/campaigns/613
- 12:05:47 [anthony]
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