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13:58:33 <trackbot-ng> RRSAgent, make logs public
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13:58:35 <trackbot-ng> Zakim, this will be BPWG
13:58:35 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot-ng
13:58:36 <trackbot-ng> Meeting: Mobile Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:58:36 <trackbot-ng> Date: 13 May 2008
13:58:53 <francois> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2008May/0016.html
13:58:55 <francois> Chair: fd
13:59:06 <francois> Regrets: jo, MartinJ, Bryan, Murari
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14:04:14 <francois> Present: rob, Pontus, francois
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14:05:49 <francois> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:05:49 <Zakim> sorry, francois, I don't know what conference this is
14:05:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see andrews, Pontus2, rob, Zakim, RRSAgent, matt, trackbot-ng, francois, dom
14:05:59 <matt> Present- Matt
14:06:33 <francois> Present+ andrews
14:06:48 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:06:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-bpwg-minutes.html francois
14:08:26 <francois> Scribe: Andrew
14:08:42 <francois> ScribeNick: andrews
14:09:43 <andrews> Pontus2: Part of devices team in Ericsson for last 2 years. Working in mobile internet for 8 years. Replacing Magnus.
14:10:18 <francois> Topic: XHR last call comment
14:11:38 <francois> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webapi/2008May/0064.html last call comment
14:12:17 <andrews> francois: HR is just one case. iFrame is another example.
14:13:15 <andrews> ... Explaining explicitly what is wanted (eg no-transform) is better than identifying origin of request.
14:13:20 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: don't go any further with the XHR topic.
14:13:38 <andrews> +1
14:13:44 <francois> +1
14:14:00 <Pontus2> +1
14:14:18 <andrews> RESOLUTION: don't go any further with the XHR topic.
14:14:47 <francois> Topic: Consistency in the behavior of the CT-proxy
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14:15:49 <andrews> francois: No guidelines about handling of sessions
14:16:39 <andrews> ...CT-proxies should be consistent within a session but how do we define a session?
14:17:07 <francois> Present+ SeanP
14:18:54 <andrews> Rob: Example - content is being transformed and then a style sheet says no-transform
14:19:48 <andrews> ...links may contain URLs pointing back to CT-proxy
14:21:08 <andrews> francois: may be we don't need to make any recommendations in the guidelines.
14:21:10 <francois> ACTION: daoust to summarize the issue that may be raised by sessions
14:21:10 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-755 - Summarize the issue that may be raised by sessions [on François Daoust - due 2008-05-20].
14:23:08 <francois> Topic: Examination of URIs
14:23:28 <francois> -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-bpwg-ct/2008May/0000.html Sean's point
14:24:22 <andrews> francois: Reference discussions about URIs indicating mobile content e.g. mobile.site.com.
14:24:54 <andrews> ...some content providers use such URIs already.
14:25:56 <andrews> ...However, URIs should not necessarily relate to the content.
14:26:21 <SeanP> q+
14:26:29 <francois> ack SeanP
14:26:31 <andrews> ...Guidelines should not specify specific URI patterns.
14:27:09 <andrews> Sean: Agree should just be a heuristic.
14:27:32 <andrews> ...until there is a better way.
14:28:01 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mention examination of URIs in the list of heuristics in 4.4 (transformation of the response) and mention Sean's list (wap.*, m.*, ...) as examples
14:28:17 <andrews> francois: We can not come up with a comprehensive list of URI patterns that would indicate a mobile aware site.
14:28:56 <SeanP> +1
14:28:57 <andrews> ...suggest that we just site this as ah heuristic and give examples
14:28:59 <francois> +1
14:29:06 <rob> +1
14:29:06 <andrews> +1
14:29:12 <Pontus2> +1
14:30:17 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mention examination of URIs in the list of heuristics in 4.4 (transformation of the response) and mention Sean's list (wap.*, m.*, ...) as examples
14:30:24 <andrews> RESOLUTION: Mention examination of URIs in the list of heuristics in 4.4 (transformation of the response) and mention Sean's list (wap.*, m.*, ...) as examples
14:30:31 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mention examination of URIs as a bullet point in 4.1.2 (transformation of the request) to complete the list "the proxy SHOULD analyze whether it intends to offer transformation services by referring to [...]".
14:30:43 <andrews> s/Sean/SeanP/
14:31:55 <SeanP> q+
14:32:01 <francois> ack SeanP
14:32:43 <andrews> SeanP: Should say this in the request section.
14:33:44 <andrews> francois: URI is one of the only indicators of mobile content at request time.
14:35:32 <francois> PROPOSED RESOLUTION: Mention examination of URIs also in 4.1.2 (transformation of the request) to complete the list after "the proxy SHOULD analyze whether it intends to offer transformation services by referring to:".
14:35:42 <francois> +1
14:35:51 <SeanP> +1
14:35:53 <andrews> +1
14:35:58 <rob> +1
14:36:05 <andrews> RESOLUTION: Mention examination of URIs also in 4.1.2 (transformation of the request) to complete the list after "the proxy SHOULD analyze whether it intends to offer transformation services by referring to:".
14:37:52 <SeanP> q+
14:38:25 <andrews> francois: Aim is to publish guidelines at end June after face-to-face meeting.
14:38:30 <francois> ack SeanP 
14:38:42 <andrews> SeanP: Dates for face-to-face?
14:39:43 <andrews> francois: 16, 17, 18  June in SE France
14:40:48 <andrews> ...moving to "last call" indicates that we, the task force, think that we have solved all problems.
14:42:00 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:42:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-bpwg-minutes.html francois
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14:43:18 <francois> i/Pontus2: Part of devices team/Topic: Introducing Pontus/
14:43:20 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:43:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-bpwg-minutes.html francois
14:46:53 <francois> Regrets+ hgerlach
14:46:55 <francois> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:46:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-bpwg-minutes.html francois
14:51:57 <francois> RRSAgent, bye
14:51:57 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-bpwg-actions.rdf :
14:51:57 <RRSAgent> ACTION: daoust to summarize the issue that may be raised by sessions [1]
14:51:57 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/13-bpwg-irc#T14-21-10