IRC log of rdfa on 2008-05-08

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zakim, this will be SW_SWD(RDFa)

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ok, msporny; I see SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes

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Scribe: Manu Sporny

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ScribeNick: msporny

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Meeting: RDF-in-XHTML Task Force

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Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008May/0029.html

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-> http://www.w3.org/2008/05/01-rdfa-minutes.html previous 2008-05-01

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Chair: Ben Adida

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:)

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

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RRSAgent, make logs public

14:57:02 [msporny]

hmm, so what's this whole insufficient access privileges thing?

14:57:33 [msporny]

me nevermind, not getting the error now

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Present: Manu Sporny, Michael Hausenblas

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RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html msporny

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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has now started

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+??P37

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zakim, I am ??P37

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+msporny; got it

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+ShaneM

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-ShaneM

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+ShaneM

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+Michael_Hausenblas

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+Ben_Adida

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Topic: Action Items

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benadida: Good progress on clean room implementation...

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benadida: getting ready to test it against test harness.

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benadida: It's done in Ruby

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Michael: It might be worth approaching the Ruby community to get that integrated.

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zakim, benadida is Ben

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+Ben; got it

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benadida: The reason I did it in Ruby is to get it integrated into HTML5 library

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ACTION: Ben draft a non-normative paragraph on RDFa fragments for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/01-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

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-- DONE

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ACTION: Ben respond to the commenters on issue 115 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/01-rdfa-minutes.html#action15]

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-- DONE

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ACTION: Ben send announcement of @instanceof change and diffs to processing rules [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/01-rdfa-minutes.html#action16]

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-- DONE

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ACTION: Shane update editors' draft with the resolution to issue 115 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/01-rdfa-minutes.html#action14]

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-- DONE

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ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01]

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-- CONTINUES

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ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action09]

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-- CONTINUES

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ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action13]

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-- DONE

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ACTION: Mark to move _:a bnode notation to normative section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action05]

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-- CONTINUES

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ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12]

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-- CONTINUES

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ACTION: Reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot.

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Topic: Test Cases

15:18:11 [mhausenblas]

Michael: Note that there are still several -> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf/2008Mar/0352.html TC on hold

15:18:27 [mhausenblas]

RRSAgent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html mhausenblas

15:18:37 [msporny]

Manu: We need two more test cases.

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Manu: SPARQL engines still mess up on XML Literal tests.

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benadida: It would be nice if we had one SPARQL engine that works.

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Manu: We might want to hard code the test result checks to check for explicit checks.

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benadida: We might want to see if there is a common canonicalization that most of the SPARQL engines use.

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Michael: There are several that are still on hold, we should remedy that.

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benadida: If Manu can go through on hold ones this week, we can review via e-mail.

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ACTION: Manu to review current on hold test cases and e-mail list on what we should do with them.

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benadida: If we can get it done before Monday, all the better.

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benadida: Test harness for XML Literals would be the last thing we fix at this point.

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benadida: What other tests do we need?

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Manu: One to make sure that "useless triples" are preserved.

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Michael: The other one is #104, which tests Fabien's rdf:value.

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ACTION: Michael to determine which useless-triples test cases to remove and which to add.

15:29:16 [msporny]

Michael: Is the structure of the syntax document stable now? Can I refer to them?

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benadida: Yes, I think that's true.

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benadida: How do we stand with regards to Elias' test harness?

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Michael: Everything works except for EARL generation.

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Manu: We'll get that sorted out in the next couple of days.

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ShaneM: Regarding the syntax document - if there isn't a named identifier, don't refer to it. Tell me and I'll make a named identifier.

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<Test0001>

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test:specificationReference "4.2.1".

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ShaneM: We should make meaningful fragment identifiers.

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benadida: Sounds good.

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Michael: Yep.

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Topic: Issues

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benadida: We need to figure out how to address the rest of these.

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benadida: We might want to talk about it on the call, or we might want me to categorize it more.

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Michael: Could we have a quick overview?

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issues open --> http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/track/products/2

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ACTION: Manu to e-mail final Christian Hoertnagl response.

15:37:43 [ShaneM]

FYI - CURIEs have gone to last call: http://www.w3.org/TR/curie/

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Topic: Schedule

15:41:07 [msporny]

benadida: Between now and July 1, what is everybody's schedule?

15:41:31 [ShaneM]

I am at XHTML F2F 17-19 June

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Manu: Should be around.

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ShaneM: at XHTML F2F 17-19 June.

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benadida: 25th June to 1st July

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Michael: From 31 May to 7 June at ESWC (not available)

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benadida: Looks like everybody is around through mid June.

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benadida: I'd like to see all of the issues closed by end of May.

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ShaneM: Mark is on travel for most of May.

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Micheal: not available from From 31 May to 7 June at ESWC

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s/Micheal/Michael

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benadida: Okay, I'll start assigning issues to own.

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ShaneM: Ivan sent in an issue about "role", I'll reply to that.

15:44:55 [msporny]

benadida: Alright, any other comments?

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-ShaneM

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-Ben

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-Michael_Hausenblas

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[adjourned]

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rrsagent, draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-minutes.html msporny

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-msporny

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SW_SWD(RDFa)11:00AM has ended

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Attendees were msporny, ShaneM, Michael_Hausenblas, Ben_Adida, Ben

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Zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

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I see 13 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Ben draft a non-normative paragraph on RDFa fragments for review [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/01-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-11-50

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ACTION: Ben respond to the commenters on issue 115 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/01-rdfa-minutes.html#action15] [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-12-08

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ACTION: Ben send announcement of @instanceof change and diffs to processing rules [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/01-rdfa-minutes.html#action16] [3]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-12-23

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ACTION: Shane update editors' draft with the resolution to issue 115 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/01-rdfa-minutes.html#action14] [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-12-33

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ACTION: Ben followup with Fabien on getting his RDFa GRDDL transform transferred to W3C [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2007/11/15-rdfa-minutes.html#action01] [5]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-12-44

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ACTION: Ben to respond to issue 87 [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/02/28-rdfa-minutes.html#action09] [6]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-12-58

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ACTION: Manu to enable EARL output in RDFa Test Harness [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action13] [7]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-13-18

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ACTION: Mark to move _:a bnode notation to normative section [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/03-rdfa-minutes.html#action05] [8]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-14-49

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ACTION: Michael to create 'RDFa for uF users' on RDFa Wiki [recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/03/13-rdfa-minutes.html#action12] [9]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-15-23

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ACTION: Reach out to Slashdot and attempt to get RDFa integrated into Slashdot. [10]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-16-53

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ACTION: Manu to review current on hold test cases and e-mail list on what we should do with them. [11]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-21-13

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ACTION: Michael to determine which useless-triples test cases to remove and which to add. [12]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-25-58

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ACTION: Manu to e-mail final Christian Hoertnagl response. [13]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/05/08-rdfa-irc#T15-34-25