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14:35:09 <ChrisWelty> zakim, this will be rif
14:35:09 <Zakim> ok, ChrisWelty; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 25 minutes
14:35:18 <ChrisWelty> zakim, this will be rif
14:35:18 <Zakim> ok, ChrisWelty; I see SW_RIF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 25 minutes
14:35:18 <ChrisWelty> Meeting: RIF Telecon 
14:35:31 <ChrisWelty> Meeting: RIF Telecon May 6, 2008
14:35:40 <ChrisWelty> Chair: Chris Welty
14:35:56 <ChrisWelty> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008May/0043.html
14:36:11 <ChrisWelty> ChrisWelty has changed the topic to: 6 May RIF Telecon Agenda http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008May/0043.html
14:36:28 <ChrisWelty> rrsagent, make minutes
14:36:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-rif-minutes.html ChrisWelty
14:36:39 <ChrisWelty> agenda+ Admin
14:36:46 <ChrisWelty> agenda+ F2F10
14:36:50 <ChrisWelty> agenda+ Action Review
14:36:56 <ChrisWelty> agenda+ Liason
14:37:09 <ChrisWelty> agenda+ Issue 52,53,54 
14:37:15 <ChrisWelty> agenda+ Issue 34
14:37:21 <ChrisWelty> agenda+ DTB
14:37:25 <ChrisWelty> agenda+ AOB
14:37:43 <ChrisWelty> rrsagent, make logs public 
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15:00:14 <Zakim> +AdrianP
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15:00:52 <AdrianP> Hi, I'm the first participant in the conference?
15:00:56 <Zakim> +Mike_Dean
15:01:05 <ChrisWelty> be right there, adrian
15:01:05 <sandro> Yes, Adrian
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15:01:15 <Zakim> +Sandro
15:01:47 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:02:01 <ChrisWelty> zakim, ibm is temporarily me
15:02:01 <Zakim> +ChrisWelty; got it
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15:02:10 <ChrisWelty> zakim, who is on the phone?"
15:02:11 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who is on the phone?"', ChrisWelty
15:02:12 <ChrisWelty> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see AdrianP, Mike_Dean, Sandro, ChrisWelty
15:02:19 <Zakim> +??P12
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15:02:27 <Zakim> +[NRCC]
15:02:32 <csma> zakim, ??P12 is me
15:02:33 <Zakim> +csma; got it
15:02:35 <Zakim> +josb
15:02:43 <csma> zakim, mute me
15:02:44 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
15:02:47 <AdrianP> Zakim, mute me
15:02:47 <Zakim> AdrianP should now be muted
15:02:55 <Zakim> +LeoraMorgenstern
15:03:12 <csma> yes
15:03:20 <csma> zakim, unmute me
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15:03:47 <Zakim> +[IBM]
15:03:52 <StellaMitchell>     zakim, ibm is temporarily me
15:03:53 <Zakim> +StellaMitchell; got it
15:04:30 <josb> right
15:04:51 <josb> he is
15:05:48 <ChrisWelty> Scribe: mdean
15:05:56 <ChrisWelty> zakim, take up item 1
15:05:56 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Admin" taken up [from ChrisWelty]
15:06:20 <ChrisWelty> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Apr/att-0199/rif-minutes-29-april-2008.html
15:06:33 <mdean> minutes approved
15:06:54 <mdean> csma:  2 comments from Dan Connolly on comment list
15:07:27 <Zakim> +GaryHallmark
15:07:29 <csma> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-comments/2008May/0000.html
15:07:40 <mdean> Sandro:  discuss process in meeting - likely to get more comments soon
15:08:16 <mdean> Chris:  probably assign someone for response, rather than just on Wiki page
15:08:39 <mdean> csma:  IRI comment pretty close to email list discussion
15:09:13 <mdean> csma:  second comment is question for Michael
15:09:22 <mdean> Chris:  add to end of agenda
15:09:23 <ChrisWelty> agenda+ public comments
15:09:26 <ChrisWelty> zakim, next item
15:09:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "F2F10" taken up [from ChrisWelty]
15:10:18 <sandro> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/38457/f2f10/results
15:10:19 <mdean> 15 people have answered, 12 are coming
15:10:33 <mdean> closest hotel is full
15:10:53 <mdean> bed and breakfast has space
15:11:22 <mdean> Axel only on IRC today due to conflicting meeting
15:11:24 <ChrisWelty> zakim, next item
15:11:24 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Action Review" taken up [from ChrisWelty]
15:11:34 <mdean> please fill out form
15:14:31 <Harold> zakim, [NRCC] is me
15:14:31 <Zakim> +Harold; got it
15:14:42 <Harold> About Sandro's action: http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/FLD#XML_Serialization_Framework
15:16:14 <csma> all actions continued except 471, which is closed
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15:17:28 <csma> ACTION-459: closed
15:17:46 <AdrianP> we might discuss it together with the UCR review
15:18:23 <Zakim> +MichaelKifer
15:18:38 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:18:38 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:18:45 <csma> ACTION-437: closed
15:20:04 <ChrisWelty> zakim, next item
15:20:04 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Liason" taken up [from ChrisWelty]
15:20:05 <csma> ACTION-253: closed
15:20:32 <AdrianP> nothing specific. there is currently a XBRL conference
15:20:34 <AdrianP> http://conference.xbrl.org/
15:20:40 <mdean> no news from OWL
15:20:51 <ChrisWelty> zakim, next item
15:20:51 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, ChrisWelty
15:20:57 <ChrisWelty> zakim, close item 4
15:20:57 <Zakim> agendum 4, Liason, closed
15:20:58 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:20:58 <ChrisWelty> zakim, next item
15:20:59 <Zakim> 5. Issue 52,53,54 [from ChrisWelty]
15:21:00 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Issue 52,53,54" taken up [from ChrisWelty]
15:21:10 <csma> zakim, mute me
15:21:10 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
15:21:13 <ChrisWelty> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/ToDo_before_BLD_last_call
15:21:48 <mdean> 3 editor's notes in SWC
15:22:20 <mdean> now a proposal on table
15:22:38 <mdean> Axel:  takes care of 52 and 53
15:22:47 <mdean> s/now/Axel:/
15:23:03 <sandro> s/Axel/Jos/
15:23:15 <mdean> Axel to redial due to noise
15:23:21 <sandro> s/Axel/Jos/
15:23:26 <Zakim> -josb
15:23:48 <mdean> thanks
15:23:53 <Zakim> +josb
15:25:00 <mdean> Jos:  notion of context comes from BLD document - this specifies specific contexts
15:25:15 <mdean> Sandro:  email thread from last night - open issues
15:25:33 <mdean> Sandro:  prefer "language" over "context"
15:25:56 <mdean> ... or "format"
15:26:18 <sandro> or "formalism"
15:26:38 <mdean> Jos:  agree - took "context" from BLD - second argument to import statement
15:26:42 <Harold>   Import    ::= 'Import' '(' IRI CONTEXT? ')'
15:26:44 <josb> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/BLD#Formulas
15:27:22 <mdean> Jos:  definition of import directives
15:27:33 <Harold> "The context specifies what kind of entity is being imported and under what semantics (for instance, the various RDF entailment regimes)."
15:27:34 <sandro> Sandro: So I'm proposing that this parameter, "language", be understood to be a default language identifier to use in case the language is not sufficiently self-identifying.
15:28:28 <sandro> Jos: I'm okay with that
15:28:32 <mdean> Chris:  consistency with current OWL WG?
15:28:36 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
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15:28:40 <mdean> Sandro:  too early to say
15:28:40 <sandro> Chris: I am too -- how does it relate to what OWL-WG uses?
15:29:02 <mdean> Michael:  OWL uses profile
15:29:11 <sandro> mkider: OWL uses "Profile"
15:29:22 <sandro> Sandro,Jos,Harold: Okay
15:29:25 <mdean> consensus on "profile"
15:29:42 <mdean> resolution not needed
15:30:06 <mdean> s/mkider/mkifer/
15:30:39 <mdean> Sandro:  could call it default profile, to indicate that it doesn't override
15:31:13 <mdean> Michael:  other cases:  semantics, data types, etc.
15:31:46 <Harold> Re Import(t c): "The constant t indicates the address of another rule set to be imported and c is called the context of import."
15:32:04 <sandro> defaultProfile
15:32:15 <Harold> http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/BLD#Formulas
15:33:11 <mdean> Chris:  document takes precedence if it specifies a profile
15:34:44 <mdean> ... but could imagine various precedence strategies
15:35:07 <mdean> mkifer:  should be an error
15:35:17 <mdean> Sandro:  ok with error
15:36:01 <mdean> Sandro:  now OK with profile given discussion
15:37:38 <sandro> ACTION: Harold to change "context" to "profile" in BLD and propose an XML syntax
15:37:39 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-472 - Change \"context\" to \"profile\" in BLD and propose an XML syntax [on Harold Boley - due 2008-05-13].
15:37:52 <sandro> (and in FLD)
15:38:39 <mdean> Sandro:  next issue - URIs for profiles
15:38:59 <mdean> ... probably makes sense to create new URIs linked to spec
15:39:03 <mdean> Jos:  agree
15:39:31 <sandro> Sandro: let's make up new IRIs, like http://www.w3.org/2008/rif-import-profile/Foo
15:39:44 <sandro> Sandro: let's make up new IRIs, like http://www.w3.org/2008/rif-import-profile#Foo
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15:40:02 <sandro> Chris: just for the ones mentioned in this document
15:40:05 <sandro> Sandro: right.
15:40:25 <mdean> mkifer:  is profile a constant?
15:40:34 <mdean> ... why do we need to specify this?
15:41:09 <mdean> Sandro:  about 7 enumerated in Jos' document
15:41:36 <Zakim> -GaryHallmark
15:41:47 <mdean> Chris:  will these be dereferenceable?
15:41:58 <sandro> Chris: this is just for Jos' document -- we don't need to talk about these in general.
15:41:59 <mdean> Sandro:  in principle yes
15:42:07 <Zakim> +Gary_Hallmark
15:42:14 <mdean> ... great if someone is motivated to put statements there
15:42:15 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:42:15 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:42:17 <sandro> Chris: Just special IRIs that some implementations know.   When you see this IRI, use this form of interpretation.
15:42:21 <sandro> Sandro: Yes.
15:42:44 <sandro> ACTION: Jos to pick IRIs for profiles
15:42:44 <trackbot-ng> Sorry, amibiguous username (more than one match) - Jos
15:42:44 <trackbot-ng> Try using a different identifier, such as family name or username (eg. jdebruij2, jderoo)
15:42:54 <sandro> ACTION: jdebruij2 to pick IRIs for profiles
15:42:54 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-473 - Pick IRIs for profiles [on Jos de Bruijn - due 2008-05-13].
15:43:54 <mdean> Jos:  what about RDF graphs with different profiles - pick highest?
15:44:14 <mdean> Sandro:  what about transitive imports?
15:45:00 <mdean> Jos: pick highest, but haven't thought about transitivity - not feasible to use multiple profiles
15:45:14 <mdean> Sandro:  could make it an error or undefined
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15:45:58 <mdean> ... would like open issue on importing things with different profiles
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15:46:16 <mdean> ... OK with last call draft as is
15:46:44 <sandro> ACTION: jdebruij2 to open a non-CP issue on importing with mixed profiles
15:46:44 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-474 - Open a non-CP issue on importing with mixed profiles [on Jos de Bruijn - due 2008-05-13].
15:47:05 <mdean> Jos:  generic profiles:  RDF vs OWL
15:47:23 <mdean> ... could be combined - no formal distinction
15:47:56 <mdean> ... don't require specification of a profile
15:48:32 <mdean> ... imports currently defaults to RIF ruleset
15:48:46 <mdean> Sandro:  can distinguish based on RIF MIME type
15:48:51 <mdean> ... also need to work on that
15:49:15 <sandro> ACTION: Sandro to look into mime type registration for RIF
15:49:15 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-475 - Look into mime type registration for RIF [on Sandro Hawke - due 2008-05-13].
15:49:39 <sandro> Sandro: How about make Profile optional, and if omitted use mime-type.
15:51:02 <mdean> Jos:  this is a BLD issue
15:51:07 <sandro> Chris: So -- no generics, profile is optional, and up to spec how to handle this if document isn't self-identified.
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15:51:15 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
15:51:15 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
15:51:18 <sandro> Jos: Michael, harold?
15:51:31 <csma> q?
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15:53:34 <mdean> mdean:  file: IRI doesn't have a MIME type
15:54:03 <Zakim> +Mark_Proctor
15:54:45 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:54:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see AdrianP (muted), Mike_Dean, Sandro, ChrisWelty, csma (muted), Harold, LeoraMorgenstern, StellaMitchell, MichaelKifer, josb, Hassan_Ait-Kaci (muted),
15:54:48 <Zakim> ... Gary_Hallmark, Mark_Proctor
15:54:53 <mdean> Sandro:  can live with second argument of "RDF" but this seems silly
15:55:37 <mdean> Sandro:  file: IRI library may have file extension mappings to MIME types
15:55:57 <csma> q+
15:56:10 <csma> ack csma
15:56:14 <sandro> Sandro: I can live with second-parameter-required for non-RIF imports.   
15:57:19 <sandro> Sandro: I think that works for XML, OO style and not.
15:57:26 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
15:57:26 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
15:58:34 <mdean> resolution not required since things stay the same
15:58:44 <mdean> wait until next week to close Issue 52
15:58:55 <csma> zakim, mute me
15:58:55 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
15:58:56 <sandro> postponing closing issue-52 until we can check over the documents with these edits.
15:59:40 <mdean> josb:  issue 53 is resolved
16:00:16 <mdean> Sandro:  would like review by Bijan, who's thinking about annotations in OWL
16:01:07 <mdean> Chris:  seems to account for where OWL is going as well as providing backward compatibility
16:01:22 <sandro> PROPOSED: close ISSUE-53 as in current rdf-owl text
16:01:56 <csma> RESOLVED: close ISSUE-53 as in current rdf-owl text
16:02:00 <sandro> PROPOSED: close ISSUE-53 as in current http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/SWC
16:02:05 <sandro> RESOLVED: close ISSUE-53 as in current http://www.w3.org/2005/rules/wiki/SWC
16:02:16 <mdean> issue 54
16:02:34 <mdean> Jos:  contact OWL DL people as soon as possible
16:03:01 <mdean> ... syntactic restriction on use of variables in RIF rules
16:04:09 <Harold> I guess we are talking about a subdialect of BLD, which fulfills Safeness Restrictions?
16:04:09 <sandro> ACTION: jdebruij2 to propose solution to ISSUE-54 that he's happy with and OWL-RIF TF is happy with
16:04:10 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-476 - Propose solution to ISSUE-54 that he's happy with and OWL-RIF TF is happy with [on Jos de Bruijn - due 2008-05-13].
16:04:12 <ChrisWelty> zakim, next item
16:04:12 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Issue 34" taken up [from ChrisWelty]
16:06:05 <sandro> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rif-wg/2008Apr/0185.html
16:07:47 <mdean> Sandro:  leaning toward option 4
16:08:03 <josb> q+
16:08:05 <csma> q+
16:08:20 <csma> no
16:08:23 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
16:08:23 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
16:08:35 <mdean> Chris:  first option corresponds to "out-of-band agreement"
16:09:04 <sandro> q?
16:09:31 <csma> What I have in mind when I say "out-of-band agreement, I mean that the requirement must be mentioned in the RIF doc
16:09:42 <mdean> ... shouldn't require ignoring of datatypes not in spec
16:09:51 <sandro> kifer: how about something between 1 and 2 ---- two systems may agree on some extra datatypes, if they see an unrecognized datatype, then they issue an error.
16:09:59 <mdean> mkifer:  combination of 1 and 2?
16:10:02 <sandro> q?
16:10:05 <mdean> Sandro:  might work
16:10:06 <sandro> ack josb 
16:10:32 <sandro> jos: I prefer option 2 -- you reject if you cannot deal with the datatypes that are there.
16:11:03 <Harold> q+
16:11:15 <sandro> kifer: I think that's the same as I'm saying.   You assume systems can support official types plus some extra types, and you reject only if it's in neither.
16:11:21 <mdean> mkifer:  agree - reject datatypes that you don't support
16:11:42 <sandro> q+
16:11:48 <sandro> ack csma 
16:11:50 <csma> ack csma
16:12:01 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
16:12:01 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
16:12:07 <sandro> q+ to talk about use case where a big publisher wants to include a new data type
16:12:25 <mdean> csma:  option 1 is not quite out-of-band agreement
16:12:29 <sandro> csma: allow a doc to make ref to non-std datatypes; an impl should be able to use the dt's they know.
16:13:18 <sandro> csma: they should be required to throw an error/warning if they don't recognize the datatype, and use it if they do.   only issue is how to make sure no ambiguity.    maybe RIF docs have to list their non-std datatypes.
16:13:21 <sandro> q?
16:14:01 <sandro> csma: all the datatypes in RIF document must be either std or unambiguously named; and any implement that knows the DT can use it, and if you don't you must warn/error.
16:14:14 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
16:14:14 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should no longer be muted
16:14:17 <sandro> jos: yes
16:14:20 <sandro> mkifer: yes
16:14:28 <sandro> ack Harold
16:14:34 <MichaelKifer> zakim, mute me
16:14:34 <Zakim> MichaelKifer should now be muted
16:14:50 <csma> zakim, mute me
16:14:50 <Zakim> csma should now be muted
16:14:52 <josb> OWL says: "If an input document uses datatypes that are not supported by the datatype map of an OWL consistency checker then it MAY report a warning. "
16:14:52 <mdean> Harold:  option 4 subsumes 1 and 2
16:15:05 <sandro> Harold: I would hope we could go for option 4, it subsumes 1 and 2 -- the xform could be identify, or refine error, etc.  It's nice an general.   It's at the heart of what RIF is about.
16:15:08 <josb> http://www.w3.org/TR/owl-test/#consistencyChecker
16:15:10 <mdean> ... heart of RIF as interoperability mechanism
16:15:26 <mdean> Chris:  how much work needs to be done to include this?
16:15:39 <sandro> Harold: it could be left open, in an external sense.
16:15:49 <sandro> ack sandro 
16:15:49 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to talk about use case where a big publisher wants to include a new data type
16:16:40 <csma> q+ to react to you cant add a new data type
16:17:01 <mdean> Sandro:  compelling use case for 4 is big web publishers - can't introduce new datatype until consumers all implement - chicken and egg precludes evolution
16:17:12 <Harold> s/in an external sense/in the sense of our externals/
16:17:28 <mdean> ... but don't see a solution by the end of May
16:17:51 <mdean> ... prefer to leave the door open for programmable fallback
16:17:59 <MichaelKifer> zakim, unmute me
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16:18:21 <mdean> mkifer:  which document(s) will specify this?
16:19:19 <Harold> Sandro, is XTAN at all related to GRDDL?
16:19:33 <sandro> Sandro: I wish XTAN were done ahead of time, but it's not, so the question is how to leave the door open for them.
16:19:39 <mdean> Sandro:  XTAN in separate REC-track document used by RIF but separate
16:21:03 <mdean> Sandro:  need to finish enough for people to build against BLD - shouldn't require major changes to implementations
16:22:11 <csma> q?
16:22:57 <Harold> I think XTAN can also be used for transformations that return a normal form.
16:23:03 <josb> well, people do use xsd:date in OWL, I think
16:24:12 <Harold> (XTAN could thus allow users to work with non-normal-form information.)
16:24:18 <mdean> mkifer:  need to say something about compliance, beyond data types
16:25:13 <josb> uses xsd:float: http://protege.cim3.net/file/pub/ontologies/camera/camera.owl
16:25:33 <mdean> ... strawman compliance statements that can later be changed
16:26:04 <sandro> Chris: let's leave compliance clause until after we have implementaiton experience
16:26:05 <Harold> What about at least an Editor's note about compliance?
16:26:16 <mdean> Chris:  no way to know what compliance means for BLD
16:26:17 <sandro> kifer: let's provide some straw man, at least.
16:27:03 <csma> you mean, later than LC?
16:27:10 <mdean> Sandro:  can procedurally wait until CR
16:27:43 <mdean> mkifer:  discussion a year ago
16:28:15 <Harold> What will happen regarding answering public comments, gathering errata, etc. between RIF phase 1 and phase 2?
16:28:23 <mdean> ... should take up seriously or not, not just for datatypes
16:28:35 <csma> +1 to michael
16:28:59 <mdean> Chris:  much clearer idea of what BLD is than we had a year ago, but experience still limited
16:29:00 <sandro> ACTION: kifer to draft some text on compliance
16:29:00 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-477 - Draft some text on compliance [on Michael Kifer - due 2008-05-13].
16:29:24 <Harold> What will happen with happen with the OWL-RIF Task Force after May 31?
16:29:33 <csma> q-
16:29:41 <Zakim> -Hassan_Ait-Kaci
16:29:48 <Zakim> -MichaelKifer
16:29:48 <mdean> adjourned
16:29:51 <Zakim> -Gary_Hallmark
16:29:52 <Harold> s/will happen with happen/will happen/
16:29:53 <Zakim> -StellaMitchell
16:29:55 <Zakim> -AdrianP
16:29:55 <Zakim> -LeoraMorgenstern
16:29:56 <Zakim> -josb
16:30:00 <Zakim> -Harold
16:30:02 <csma> zakim, unmute me
16:30:02 <Zakim> csma should no longer be muted
16:30:09 <sandro> zakim, list attendees
16:30:09 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been AdrianP, Mike_Dean, Sandro, ChrisWelty, csma, josb, LeoraMorgenstern, StellaMitchell, GaryHallmark, Harold, MichaelKifer, Hassan_Ait-Kaci,
16:30:13 <Zakim> ... Gary_Hallmark, Mark_Proctor
16:30:15 <csma> rssagent, make log public
16:30:17 <sandro> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:30:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/06-rif-minutes.html sandro
16:30:37 <Zakim> -Mike_Dean
16:32:55 <Zakim> -ChrisWelty
16:32:56 <Zakim> -Sandro
16:32:58 <Zakim> -csma
16:33:07 <Zakim> -Mark_Proctor
16:33:08 <Zakim> SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended
16:33:09 <Zakim> Attendees were AdrianP, Mike_Dean, Sandro, ChrisWelty, csma, josb, LeoraMorgenstern, StellaMitchell, GaryHallmark, Harold, MichaelKifer, Hassan_Ait-Kaci, Gary_Hallmark,
16:33:11 <Zakim> ... Mark_Proctor
16:58:19 <csma> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:58:19 <Zakim> apparently SW_RIF()11:00AM has ended, csma
16:58:20 <Zakim> On IRC I see markproctor, GaryHallmark, MichaelKifer, LeoraMorgenstern, mdean, csma, Harold, RRSAgent, sandro, trackbot-ng, Zakim
16:58:37 <csma> csma has left #rif
17:43:59 <MichaelKifer> MichaelKifer has joined #rif
17:44:13 <MichaelKifer> test
17:44:23 <MichaelKifer> MichaelKifer has left #rif