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18:03:46 <Jordan> Scribe: Jordan Boucher
18:03:50 <Jordan> ScribeNick: Jordan
18:04:00 <Jordan> Chair: John
18:04:10 <Jordan> Meeting: SML Weekly Teleconf
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18:05:26 <johnarwe> zakim, aaaa is Kumar
18:05:26 <Zakim> +Kumar; got it
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18:06:06 <Jordan> Regrets: ginny
18:06:23 <Jordan> rrsagent, make log public
18:07:32 <Jordan> Regrets: MSM
18:07:50 <Zakim> +Zulah_Eckert
18:08:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/01-sml-minutes.html Sandy
18:08:11 <Jordan> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Apr/0151.html
18:08:26 <Sandy> regrets+ Ginny
18:08:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/01-sml-minutes.html Sandy
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18:09:20 <Jordan> John: proposal to cancel next weeks teleconf
18:09:33 <Jordan> Resolution: cancel next week, 5/8/2008
18:09:43 <Jordan> Topic: approval of minutes
18:09:57 <Jordan> Regrets: Ginny, MSM
18:10:12 <Jordan> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sml/2008Apr/att-0150/2008-04-24-minutes.htm
18:10:19 <Jordan> Resolution: minutes approved
18:10:25 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
18:10:53 <Kumar> zakim, Microsoft is Pratul
18:10:53 <Zakim> +Pratul; got it
18:10:58 <Jordan> s/minutes/4-24 minutes/
18:11:27 <Jordan> Topic: update from the CG
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18:11:40 <Jordan> John: summary, but nothing new
18:12:02 <Jordan> Topic: outstanding action items
18:12:30 <Jordan> http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/sml/actions/137
18:13:43 <Jordan> Pratul: work on it next week
18:14:03 <Jordan> Topic: Schema validity vs SML validity
18:14:41 <Jordan> bug http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5519
18:16:43 <pratul> I need to step out for a while - will be back soon
18:17:06 <Zakim> -Pratul
18:18:27 <Jordan> John: summarizes latest comments from Henry
18:19:04 <Jordan> John: believes that Sandy and Kumar may have an understanding of the comments now (others may not know schema deep enough)
18:20:59 <johnarwe> Kumar: sml constraints should always have [val attempted] true, so either [val] either true or false
18:21:20 <johnarwe> but [val] has more than two possible values in schema
18:22:12 <johnarwe> Sandy: think we can have [val attempted] false because of schema wildcard processing
18:22:38 <johnarwe> Sandy: sml constraints attached to schema components can be skipped
18:23:45 <johnarwe> Sandy: for target * and acyclic sml constraints to function, you have to have established a relationship between instance content and schema components w/ sml constraints attached
18:25:33 <johnarwe> sandy: I think that means our constraints will not change the value of [validation attempted] from schema, but there might be strange cases that might.  If sml derefs into or checks acyclic for an element that was skipped by schema, does that change [val attempted]?
18:25:51 <johnarwe> Sandy: [val attempted] in schema has the values none, full, partial
18:31:33 <Jordan> John: proposal to move 5519 to needsAgreement
18:33:20 <Jordan> Resolution: make it so (Kumar updating the bug to reflect this decision)
18:35:17 <Jordan> John: notes a bit of a process hole - resolved bugs that get comments don't show up on our normal work queue
18:37:33 <Jordan> John: may need two new keywords to properly track bugs
18:38:46 <Jordan> ... one to track bugs originated from outside the working group
18:39:04 <Jordan> ... another to track whether consensus was reached from the outside party
18:39:32 <Jordan> John: any objections to adding this process change?
18:40:06 <Jordan> s/from/with/
18:40:46 <Jordan> John: sounds like consensus from the group
18:42:52 <Jordan> John: how about "external" for the first concept?
18:44:00 <Jordan> Kumar: looking at existing keywords - found externalComment and reviewerSatisfied
18:45:09 <Jordan> John: also see reviewerNotSatisfied - do we need that too?
18:46:41 <Jordan> Resolution: use the existing keywords for this purpose
18:47:42 <Jordan> ACTION: Pratul to review the existing keywords and update process for how SML WG will use them
18:47:43 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-183 - Review the existing keywords and update process for how SML WG will use them [on Pratul Dublish - due 2008-05-08].
18:48:12 <Jordan> Topic:  Review bugs with no keywords or target
18:48:27 <johnarwe> 5546
18:48:59 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5546
18:53:35 <Jordan> John: please add keywords externalComment and reviewerNotSatisfied to 5546
18:53:54 <Jordan> Topic: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5653
18:56:20 <Jordan> s/John/Resolution/
18:56:39 <Jordan> Resolution: please mark 5653 needsAgreement
18:57:10 <Jordan> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5656
18:59:22 <Jordan> Kirk: explained the issues, but no proposal yet
18:59:43 <Jordan> Kirk: move to needsAgreement
18:59:48 <Jordan> John: any objections?
18:59:59 <Jordan> Resolution: make it so
19:00:14 <Jordan> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5657
19:02:52 <Jordan> John: any objections to move to needsAgreement
19:03:19 <Jordan> Resolution: make it so
19:05:16 <Jordan> Topic: bugs where decided period has elapsed
19:06:14 <Jordan> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5561
19:08:35 <Jordan> John: not sure why decided is still on this one, perhaps remove it?
19:08:46 <Jordan> ... mark it externalComment as well
19:11:13 <Jordan> John: propose remove decided - any objections?
19:11:48 <Jordan> John: propose to add externalComment - any objections?
19:12:09 <Jordan> Resolution: both proposals accepted by wg concensus
19:13:07 <Jordan> ACTION: Kumar to work with Pratul to iterate the draft of the note for 5561
19:13:07 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-184 - Work with Pratul to iterate the draft of the note for 5561 [on Kumar Pandit - due 2008-05-08].
19:15:06 <Jordan> Topic: bugs with no keyword
19:15:44 <Jordan> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5390
19:16:07 <Jordan> John: do not see a proposal - looks like needsAgreement - any objections?
19:16:19 <Jordan> Resolution: make it so
19:16:48 <Jordan> Topic: bugs with needsReview keyword
19:17:37 <johnarwe> 5283
19:17:37 <Jordan> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5283
19:22:16 <johnarwe> Interchange Model - An interchange model is an SML model [SML 1.1] being
19:22:16 <johnarwe> interchanged.
19:45:05 <Jordan> John: proposal to fix per comment #7, bullet 3. - any objections?
19:45:15 <johnarwe>     An SML-IF document is an XML document that contains the set of documents that represent an interchange model .See [ 5.1 Conformance Criteria ].
19:47:38 <johnarwe> revised wording based on discussion:
19:47:56 <johnarwe> interchange model as in comment 7 #3
19:48:04 <johnarwe> (dashed bullet 1)
19:48:27 <johnarwe> smlif doc: - An SML-IF document is a XML representation of an interchange model.  It 
19:48:27 <johnarwe> includes the model's identity, its documents (by value or by reference), 
19:48:27 <johnarwe> metadata about its documents, and a syntactic representation of concepts 
19:48:27 <johnarwe> defined as part of an SML model but lacking an SML-defined sytnax (e.g. rule 
19:48:27 <johnarwe> bindings).
19:49:24 <johnarwe> the latter def is == 5283 coment 7 #3 dashed bullet 2, replacing "syntactic" with "XML"
19:49:48 <Jordan> John: any objections (once again)?
19:50:36 <Jordan> Resolution: make it so - mark editorial, no needsReview, fix per above
19:54:33 <Jordan> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5541
19:54:48 <Jordan> John: propose remove needsReview - any objections?
19:55:27 <Jordan> Resolution: remove needsReview, add needsAgreement
19:56:13 <Jordan> ACTION MSM to review 5541 comment #8 and verify if it belongs or to 5519
19:57:07 <Jordan> ACTION: MSM to review 5541 comment #8 and verify if it belongs there or to 5519
19:57:07 <trackbot-ng> Created ACTION-185 - Review 5541 comment #8 and verify if it belongs there or to 5519 [on Michael Sperberg-McQueen - due 2008-05-08].
19:57:26 <Jordan> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=5606
19:58:30 <Jordan> John: any further time needed?  any comments?
19:59:56 <Jordan> Kirk: recalls previous discussion, ok with it now
20:00:03 <Jordan> Julia: need more time
20:00:19 <Zakim> -Sandy
20:00:46 <Jordan> Sandy: need more time as well
20:02:58 <Zakim> -Kumar
20:03:05 <Zakim> -Jordan
20:03:32 <Jordan> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:03:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/05/01-sml-minutes.html Jordan
20:03:48 <Zakim> -Zulah_Eckert
20:03:55 <Zakim> -Kirk
20:04:18 <Zakim> -johnarwe
20:04:21 <Zakim> -Julia
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20:04:23 <Zakim> Attendees were Julia, +1.425.836.aaaa, Kirk, johnarwe, Jordan, Sandy, Kumar, Zulah_Eckert, Pratul
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