IRC log of tsdtf on 2008-04-29

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12:10:58 [Christophe]

zakim, what teleconferences?

12:10:58 [Zakim]

I don't understand your question, Christophe.

12:11:04 [Christophe]

zakim, teleconferences

12:11:04 [Zakim]

I don't understand 'teleconferences', Christophe

12:11:12 [Christophe]

zakim, what conferences?

12:11:12 [Zakim]

I see ARCH_Team()8:00AM active

12:11:14 [Zakim]

also scheduled at this time is UW_Team()8:00AM

12:11:52 [Christophe]

zakim, this will be WAI_TSDTF

12:11:52 [Zakim]

ok, Christophe; I see WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM scheduled to start in 19 minutes

12:12:31 [Christophe]

Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Apr/0004.html

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Meeting: TSD TF

12:13:01 [Christophe]

Chair: Christophe, CarlosV

12:13:14 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Naming convention and test suite ID in metadata

12:13:27 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Review of test samples

12:13:47 [Christophe]

Agenda+ Next steps for current repository content

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Agenda+ Review of action items

12:32:38 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has now started

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+Christophe_Strobbe

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+Cooper

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+Shadi

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+Carlos_Iglesias

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+Johannes

12:38:20 [CarlosV]

zakim, Johannes is really CarlosV

12:38:20 [Zakim]

+CarlosV; got it

12:38:48 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 1

12:38:48 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "Naming convention and test suite ID in metadata" taken up [from Christophe]

12:39:17 [MichaelC]

scribe: MichaelC

12:40:05 [MichaelC]

cs: We didn't finish discussion of naming convention; no further discussion online

12:41:07 [MichaelC]

mc: taking a lot of time to discuss, will take more to implement, let's just move forward

12:41:35 [MichaelC]

ci: worried some test cases will end up in wrong SC

12:41:39 [MichaelC]

mc: trust in metadata

12:41:45 [MichaelC]

... if that's wrong, then we need to make change

12:41:49 [shadi]

s/ci:/cv:

12:41:51 [MichaelC]

... has been months of discussion though

12:42:33 [MichaelC]

saz: ask for summary of issue

12:42:44 [MichaelC]

cs: Bentoweb planned to have test suites for different technologies

12:43:09 [MichaelC]

... needed way to distinguish test suites in ids

12:43:20 [MichaelC]

... at moment we only have one so it's not really relevant

12:43:28 [MichaelC]

... but there's nothing scripts can acton

12:43:34 [MichaelC]

s/acton/act on/

12:44:27 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/2008/04/08-tsdtf-minutes.html#item02

12:44:46 [MichaelC]

saz: reviewing previous discussion (above link)

12:45:33 [shadi]

xhtml1_text-equiv-all_002

12:45:42 [shadi]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-ert-tsdtf/2008Apr/0002.html

12:45:52 [MichaelC]

... ID like above sample was proposal

12:46:14 [MichaelC]

... we agreed it was beneficial, but didn't close on how much work it would be to migrate

12:46:54 [MichaelC]

cs: bulk of work is moving from numbers to ids

12:47:40 [MichaelC]

mc: is it the task of making the change, or making the mapping from number to id mapping?

12:47:46 [MichaelC]

cs: it's the renaming of files

12:49:29 [MichaelC]

cv: not sure about resources for making change

12:50:41 [MichaelC]

saz: cs and cv should work out whether we have resources to make change and make it, or decide we can live with it

12:51:38 [MichaelC]

ACTION: cs and cv to work out whether we have resources to make change and make it, or decide we can live with it

12:52:37 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 2

12:52:37 [Zakim]

agendum 2. "Review of test samples" taken up [from Christophe]

12:54:13 [MichaelC]

cs: tb has finished review

12:55:08 [MichaelC]

... status for ci?

12:55:19 [MichaelC]

ci: were responses to Tim's comments

12:55:33 [MichaelC]

cs: will summarize changes made and send to list

12:56:17 [MichaelC]

saz: issue with test samples that have video or audio format

12:56:52 [Christophe]

Resolution from 8 april was to ignore the files that have been uploaded in the wrong directory and follow the process for future uploads

12:58:27 [MichaelC]

saz: should migrate from focus on what files in CVS, to using an interface that doesn't worry about structure underneath

13:00:31 [MichaelC]

cv: there are other W3C test suites that are purely CVS based

13:00:51 [Zakim]

+Tim_Boland

13:01:03 [MichaelC]

saz: W3C persistency policy is about any Web resource, not just HTML

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... CVS Web front end is not recommended, is resource intensive

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13:01:49 [MichaelC]

... suggest we focus on HTML view of test suite

13:02:31 [MichaelC]

... don't think we can break persistency policy and remove just because it ended up somewhere wrong

13:02:52 [MichaelC]

... if we rename test samples, we will have a whole slew of tests that are obsolete

13:03:16 [MichaelC]

mc: can set up redirects, but that might not be the easiest path

13:03:31 [MichaelC]

tb: how determine how a test is obsolete?

13:03:40 [MichaelC]

saz: mostly the renaming

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cs: test samples for audio and video don't list all the technologies used in the metadata

13:04:51 [MichaelC]

... need volunteers to scrub

13:05:15 [MichaelC]

mc: can help in a week or two

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cs: will send instructions to list

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... we have one that uses wmv

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... there are 3 ways of identifying; should make them more consistent

13:07:08 [MichaelC]

mc: not just using MIME type?

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cs: metadata uses more than MIME

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cs: recommendations?

13:10:09 [MichaelC]

mc: people should get to it when they get to it on a scrubbing pass

13:10:42 [MichaelC]

tb: are there standardized identification mechanisms for media we're using?

13:10:56 [MichaelC]

cs: W3C formats have stable mechanisms, but not sure for external formats

13:11:12 [MichaelC]

... Wikipedia entry perhaps our best bet

13:11:37 [MichaelC]

cv: suggest supplement with MIME type in case URL of recommendation disappears

13:13:37 [MichaelC]

cs: where should it go?

13:13:45 [MichaelC]

cv: new attribute

13:14:55 [shadi]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/ER/tests/usingTCDL

13:15:15 [Christophe]

MIME Media Types: http://www.iana.org/assignments/media-types/

13:18:14 [MichaelC]

action: Christophe to add MIME type to TCDL schema

13:18:31 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 3

13:18:31 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Next steps for current repository content" taken up [from Christophe]

13:19:10 [MichaelC]

cs: question whether to update test samples to new draft

13:19:16 [MichaelC]

... wanted to identify which SC are stable

13:19:36 [MichaelC]

q+

13:20:05 [MichaelC]

saz: should focus on doing a diff

13:20:17 [shadi]

ack m

13:21:16 [MichaelC]

mc: when CR comes out, anything not listed as "at risk" is stable because can't change without bouncing back to WD

13:22:46 [MichaelC]

saz: reviewing action, CV was to look at diffs

13:22:53 [MichaelC]

cv: pending, have documents, need to do comparison

13:23:15 [Christophe]

zakim, take up agendum 4

13:23:15 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "Review of action items" taken up [from Christophe]

13:24:04 [MichaelC]

cs: reviews probably have to wait until migrate to new draft

13:24:09 [MichaelC]

saz: and new naming convention

13:25:55 [MichaelC]

NEXT MEETING: 13 May 2008

13:26:38 [Zakim]

-Tim_Boland

13:26:43 [Zakim]

-Cooper

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-Shadi

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-CarlosV

13:26:50 [Zakim]

-Christophe_Strobbe

13:26:52 [Zakim]

-Carlos_Iglesias

13:26:53 [Zakim]

WAI_TSDTF()8:30AM has ended

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Attendees were Christophe_Strobbe, Cooper, Shadi, Carlos_Iglesias, CarlosV, Tim_Boland

13:26:58 [MichaelC]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/29-tsdtf-minutes.html MichaelC

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rrsagent, make log world

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zakim, bye

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rrsagent, bye

13:33:26 [RRSAgent]

I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/29-tsdtf-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: cs and cv to work out whether we have resources to make change and make it, or decide we can live with it [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/29-tsdtf-irc#T12-51-38

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ACTION: Christophe to add MIME type to TCDL schema [2]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/29-tsdtf-irc#T13-18-14

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