IRC log of dawg on 2008-04-23
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- Topic: SPARQL WWW2008 BOF
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- scribe: ericP
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- ivan: we shoudl not discuss throwing away and starting again
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- ... should be backward compatible
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- orri: Virtuoso program manager
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- ... clustered query processing
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- ... we would not dream of changinthe SPARLQL spec
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- ... have extended it
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- ... have fedration interests
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- ... can't have SPARQL be less expressive than SQL
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- ... added expression slselects
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- have aggregation and group by
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- uri: also OpenLink
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- ivan; mix of CAD nd translators
- 08:38:58 [ericP]
- ... i deal with XML XSL...
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- chris B: have a php SPARQL impl
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- ... working on database to RDF mapping via SPARQL/SQL rewriter
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- ..... currently working on benchmarks
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- steveH: garlic, built a couple SPARQL enginnes
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- Tom Heath: interestd from the user perspective
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- Ivan: built one in pyuthin
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- ericP:
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- fabien: INRIA has a SPARQL impl
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- ... in terested in aggregation
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- simonCh: view mechanism for RDF
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- ... did work on SPARQL semantics
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- ... defined some extensions
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- ... would like extensions for aggregation
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- ....DannyV:
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- DennyV: philospher
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- ... developer of semantic media ikik
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- [insert 1]
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- Andy: SPARQL postponed 12 issues
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- ... UPDATE
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- ... don't want to get tied to a toolkit
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- ... counting
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- ... service description -- lot's of different issues
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- ivan: whirled peas
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- andy: all impls have extensions
- 08:49:28 [ericP]
- ... what are the few important things that a WG could address
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- ... people ask me what the plan is
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- ... W3C reacts to events like this
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- ivan: [W3C process overview]
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- ... charter work at end of the year not unrelalistic
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- ericP: implement, specify, cooperate -- these help you get your interests get met
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- andy: compatibility is important, but not if it hurts people forever
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- steveH: i think we bit off more than we could chew
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- ... don't put many featurs in the charter
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- ... we ruled out some extensibility in the syntax
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- ... e.g. no commas between selects
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- ... we were generally anti-comma in the spec
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- ... not fond of default graph/named graph
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- chris: S tries to meet both groups' needs
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- orri: we have use cases of querying across UNION in a DB
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- ... expect to extend FROM
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- ... update is fine as andy spec'd it
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- andy: i documented the SPARUL that i understood the community wanted
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- ... it's not a general purpose graph conversion
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- ... i ran away from transactions
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- ... needs seem to be replicating OLTP
- 09:01:17 [AndyS]
- One update proposal: http://jena.hpl.hp.com/~afs/SPARQL-Update.html
- 09:02:09 [ericP]
- ... what needs do you see?
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- chrisB: free text search
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- orri: search engine and SQL world have CONTAINS
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- ... is not a regex
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- andy: you get ranked matches
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- Chris: was frustrated by the lack of free text search
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- ivan: implemented as a boolean
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- ... not a generator
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- Simon: re page by rank - would be nice to bind cvars by filter functions
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- ericP: [generator vs. filter]
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- orri: ... fourth place in the triple pattern
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- andy: var bindg happens in the pattern
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- ... accessing lists wasn't so useful
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- ... only atomic types frustrates people
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- ivan: get list querying feedback
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- ... i have seen graph pattern languages
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- andy: the sparql/inference interaction isn't clear to many people
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- ivan: user wants to know if an engine can do, say. RDFS inferencing
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- orri: might have a pragma for enabling
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- ... we do some backward chaining
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- andy: OWL folks are working on a profile that works on ...
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- ivan: also one over SQL
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- Angi: should be in the QL or the system
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- ???: two different URIs for the two different levels of inference?
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- Danny: what about in the query?
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- Andrew: folks wanted control when creating the query
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- ... wanted controled inference over ranges of the class hierarchy
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- ... partOf in a cell is ginormous
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- Ivan: we have use cases for SELECT-COMPLETE-BUT-NOT-SOUND
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- [migrate to query federation]
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- [told BNodes]
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- AndrewN: give the BNode with a CBD
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- chrisB: radical folks in the community who would like to dispense with BNodes
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- [fabien's list]
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- andys: negation. does this pattern NOT match?
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- ... gets logicians involved
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- ... used for syntax checking a lot
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- salut, FabienG, ca va?
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- Jun (... of Oxford): want to traverse an RDF graph with a defined path
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- ... UPDATE
- 09:39:11 [FabienG]
- group by and count ;
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- effective cardinality and counting occurrences of properties and using that count ;
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- path variables, expressions, path length ;
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- return expressions in the select ;
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- direct:: deactivate raisonning for answers ;
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- distinct on the binding as a set not a list ;
- 09:39:14 [FabienG]
- DISPLAY RDF return the RDF/XML instead of SPARQL binding;
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- MERGE all the results in one graph;
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- Type operators in filters ;
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- control the namespaces used to answer ;
- 09:39:39 [Ivan]
- merci FabienG
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- Jun: re service desc: liked darq; it describes what kinds of data are at a source
- 09:40:31 [FabienG]
- for more see http://www-sop.inria.fr/edelweiss/software/corese/v2_4_0/manual/index.php#additivefunctionalities
- 09:40:34 [ericP]
- ... want to know what anchor holds the data
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- [negation]
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- ivan: would like to ask a sparql endpoint to pick from multiple endpoints
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/23-dawg-minutes.html ericP
- 09:45:24 [ericP]
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