IRC log of owl on 2008-04-16
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 16:41:09 [RRSAgent]
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2008/04/16-owl-irc
- 16:41:31 [pfps]
- zakim, this will be owl-wg
- 16:41:31 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, pfps
- 16:41:38 [pfps]
- zakim, this will be oql
- 16:41:38 [Zakim]
- I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, pfps
- 16:41:48 [pfps]
- zakim, this will be owl
- 16:41:48 [Zakim]
- ok, pfps; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 41 minutes ago
- 16:42:14 [Rinke]
- RRSAgent, make records public
- 16:44:33 [IanH]
- I think that all this stuff was written by fans of "adventure" games
- 16:45:42 [IanH]
- Well, all this "open agent using tripod" stuff is very reminiscent...
- 16:46:16 [IanH]
- Not to mention the "you didn't end that question with a question mark" stuff
- 16:46:40 [IanH]
- Although that reminds me more of the hitchhiker's guide
- 16:48:23 [m_schnei]
- I never made it out of the heart of gold - after having collected 3/4 of all points :)
- 16:48:35 [Ivan]
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- 16:49:45 [m_schnei]
- here, a simple "slash exist" suffices ;-)
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- s/exist/exit
- 16:51:10 [sandro]
- sandro has joined #owl
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- 16:54:21 [Zakim]
- SW_OWL()12:00PM has now started
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- +??P13
- 16:54:42 [uli]
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- 16:55:10 [bijan]
- zakim, ??P13 is me
- 16:55:10 [Zakim]
- +bijan; got it
- 16:55:12 [Zakim]
- +IanH
- 16:55:14 [Zakim]
- -IanH
- 16:55:14 [Zakim]
- +IanH
- 16:55:22 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:55:22 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 16:55:42 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 16:55:42 [Zakim]
- bijan should no longer be muted
- 16:55:49 [Zakim]
- +??P16
- 16:55:58 [uli]
- zakim, ??P16 is me
- 16:55:58 [Zakim]
- +uli; got it
- 16:55:58 [IanH]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 16:55:59 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see bijan, IanH, uli
- 16:56:02 [sandro]
- trackbot-ng, start meeting
- 16:56:04 [trackbot-ng]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 16:56:06 [trackbot-ng]
- Zakim, this will be OWLWG
- 16:56:06 [Zakim]
- ok, trackbot-ng; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 56 minutes ago
- 16:56:07 [trackbot-ng]
- Meeting: OWL Working Group Teleconference
- 16:56:07 [trackbot-ng]
- Date: 16 April 2008
- 16:56:36 [MartinD]
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- 16:58:05 [bijan]
- •Ratnesh Sahay
- 16:58:05 [bijan]
- •Deborah McGuinness scribed 2007-12-06
- 16:58:05 [bijan]
- •Giorgos Stoilos scribed 2007-12-06
- 16:58:05 [bijan]
- •Jeff Pan scribed 2007-12-07
- 16:58:05 [bijan]
- •Martin Dzbor scribed 2008-01-16
- 16:58:06 [bijan]
- •Doug Lenat scribed 2008-01-23
- 16:58:08 [bijan]
- •Carsten Lutz scribed 2008-02-06
- 16:58:15 [pfps]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:58:15 [Zakim]
- sorry, pfps, I don't know what conference this is
- 16:58:28 [pfps]
- zakim, this will be OWLWG
- 16:58:28 [Zakim]
- ok, pfps; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 58 minutes ago
- 16:58:39 [Ivan]
- ????????
- 16:59:45 [diego]
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- 16:59:50 [sandro]
- zakim, this is OWL
- 16:59:50 [Zakim]
- ok, sandro; that matches SW_OWL()12:00PM
- 16:59:55 [uli]
- zakim, mute me
- 16:59:55 [Zakim]
- uli should now be muted
- 17:00:03 [baojie]
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- 17:00:06 [Zakim]
- +msmith
- 17:00:08 [Rinke]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:00:08 [Zakim]
- sorry, Rinke, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
- 17:00:15 [Rinke]
- zakim, who is here?
- 17:00:15 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see bijan, IanH, uli (muted), +31.20.525.aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, msmith
- 17:00:17 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see baojie, diego, MartinD, Ratnesh, uli, bijan, sandro, Ivan, RRSAgent, Zakim, Carsten, m_schnei, pfps, Rinke, IanH, trackbot-ng, ewallace
- 17:00:18 [uli]
- ok - I will scribe
- 17:00:22 [Zakim]
- +??P25
- 17:00:22 [Rinke]
- zakim, aaaa is me
- 17:00:23 [Zakim]
- +Rinke; got it
- 17:00:23 [Zakim]
- +Sandro
- 17:00:30 [msmith]
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- 17:00:31 [bijan]
- scribenick: uli
- 17:00:34 [Zakim]
- +Evan_Wallace
- 17:00:39 [uli]
- thanks, Bijan
- 17:00:47 [Zakim]
- +MartinD
- 17:00:54 [MartinD]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:00:54 [Zakim]
- MartinD should now be muted
- 17:00:56 [Ivan]
- zakim, dial ivan-voip
- 17:00:56 [Zakim]
- ok, Ivan; the call is being made
- 17:00:58 [Zakim]
- +Ivan
- 17:01:02 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:01:03 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 17:01:15 [MarkusK]
- MarkusK has joined #owl
- 17:01:24 [Zakim]
- +baojie
- 17:01:25 [Ivan]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:01:25 [Zakim]
- Ivan should now be muted
- 17:01:31 [m_schnei]
- zakim, zakim ??P25 is me
- 17:01:31 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'zakim ??P25 is me', m_schnei
- 17:01:39 [m_schnei]
- zakim, ??P25 is me
- 17:01:39 [Zakim]
- +m_schnei; got it
- 17:01:45 [m_schnei]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:01:45 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should now be muted
- 17:01:53 [IanH]
- zakim, who is here?
- 17:01:53 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see bijan (muted), IanH, uli (muted), Rinke, Peter_Patel-Schneider, msmith, m_schnei (muted), Sandro, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), Ivan (muted), baojie
- 17:01:56 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see MarkusK, msmith, baojie, diego, MartinD, Ratnesh, uli, bijan, sandro, Ivan, RRSAgent, Zakim, Carsten, m_schnei, pfps, Rinke, IanH, trackbot-ng, ewallace
- 17:01:57 [Zakim]
- +diegoc
- 17:02:11 [baojie]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:02:11 [Zakim]
- baojie should now be muted
- 17:02:20 [Zakim]
- +??P34
- 17:02:38 [Zakim]
- +??P37
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- +??P38
- 17:02:53 [jeremy_]
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- 17:02:57 [IanH]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 17:02:57 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see bijan (muted), IanH, uli (muted), Rinke, Peter_Patel-Schneider, msmith, m_schnei (muted), Sandro, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), Ivan (muted), baojie (muted),
- 17:03:00 [Zakim]
- ... diegoc (muted), ??P34, ??P37, ??P38
- 17:03:01 [Zakim]
- -??P38
- 17:03:02 [Ratnesh]
- zakim, ??P34 is me
- 17:03:03 [Zakim]
- +Ratnesh; got it
- 17:03:07 [Achille]
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- 17:03:15 [jeremy_]
- Zakim, P37 is me
- 17:03:15 [Zakim]
- sorry, jeremy_, I do not recognize a party named 'P37'
- 17:03:22 [jeremy_]
- Zakim, ??P37 is me
- 17:03:22 [Zakim]
- +jeremy_; got it
- 17:03:35 [Zakim]
- +??P38
- 17:03:37 [ChristineG]
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- 17:03:43 [jeremy_]
- yes there is another jeremy ... in the html group
- 17:03:49 [jeremy_]
- shall I try JeremyCarroll
- 17:03:58 [Zakim]
- +??P41
- 17:04:07 [Zakim]
- +[IBM]
- 17:04:10 [IanH]
- zakim, who is on the call?
- 17:04:10 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see bijan (muted), IanH, uli (muted), Rinke, Peter_Patel-Schneider, msmith, m_schnei (muted), Sandro, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), Ivan (muted), baojie (muted),
- 17:04:14 [Zakim]
- ... diegoc (muted), Ratnesh, jeremy_, ??P38, ??P41, [IBM]
- 17:04:19 [Achille]
- Zakim, IBM is Achille
- 17:04:19 [Zakim]
- +Achille; got it
- 17:04:19 [JeremyCarroll]
- Zakim, jeremy_ is JeremyCarroll
- 17:04:21 [Zakim]
- +JeremyCarroll; got it
- 17:04:34 [IanH]
- zakim, who is here?
- 17:04:34 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see bijan (muted), IanH, uli (muted), Rinke, Peter_Patel-Schneider, msmith, m_schnei (muted), Sandro, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), Ivan (muted), baojie (muted),
- 17:04:38 [Zakim]
- ... diegoc (muted), Ratnesh, JeremyCarroll, ??P38, MarkusK, Achille
- 17:04:39 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see ChristineG, Achille, JeremyCarroll, MarkusK, msmith, baojie, diego, MartinD, Ratnesh, uli, bijan, sandro, Ivan, RRSAgent, Zakim, Carsten, m_schnei, pfps, Rinke, IanH,
- 17:04:42 [Zakim]
- ... trackbot-ng, ewallace
- 17:04:50 [JeremyCarroll]
- q?
- 17:05:04 [JeremyCarroll]
- ack
- 17:05:24 [uli]
- ...there is also ??P37
- 17:05:28 [IanH]
- zakim, ??P38 is ChristineG
- 17:05:28 [Zakim]
- +ChristineG; got it
- 17:05:40 [Zakim]
- + +49.351.463.3.aabb
- 17:05:45 [Zakim]
- +Alan
- 17:05:48 [Carsten]
- zakim, aabb is me
- 17:05:48 [Zakim]
- +Carsten; got it
- 17:05:51 [JeremyCarroll]
- q?
- 17:05:59 [IanH]
- zakim, who is here?
- 17:06:05 [JeremyCarroll]
- q- ??P37
- 17:06:07 [bijan]
- q-
- 17:06:07 [alanr]
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- 17:06:15 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see bijan (muted), IanH, uli (muted), Rinke, Peter_Patel-Schneider, msmith, m_schnei (muted), Sandro, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), Ivan (muted), baojie (muted),
- 17:06:20 [Zakim]
- ... diegoc (muted), Ratnesh, JeremyCarroll, ChristineG, MarkusK, Achille, Carsten, Alan
- 17:06:28 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see alanr, ChristineG, Achille, JeremyCarroll, MarkusK, msmith, baojie, diego, MartinD, Ratnesh, uli, bijan, sandro, Ivan, RRSAgent, Zakim, Carsten, m_schnei, pfps, Rinke,
- 17:06:33 [Zakim]
- ... IanH, trackbot-ng, ewallace
- 17:06:54 [uli]
- Topic: Roll call - done
- 17:07:05 [uli]
- Topic: Agenda amendments
- 17:07:30 [sandro]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/rif-rdf-owl/
- 17:07:39 [Carsten]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:07:39 [Zakim]
- Carsten should now be muted
- 17:07:40 [uli]
- IanH: public working draft from RIF on OWL compatibility is out
- 17:08:04 [uli]
- IanH: we should look at section 3 of this and comment
- 17:08:09 [JeremyCarroll]
- I believe I will need to review this for HP, so will also volunteer to do a WG review
- 17:08:14 [uli]
- Ian: any volunteers?
- 17:08:20 [pfps]
- can we comment on a document that we helped author?
- 17:08:24 [JeremyCarroll]
- yes
- 17:08:27 [sandro]
- ACTION: JeremyCarroll to review http://www.w3.org/TR/rif-rdf-owl/
- 17:08:27 [trackbot-ng]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - JeremyCarroll
- 17:08:33 [sandro]
- ACTION: Jeremy to review http://www.w3.org/TR/rif-rdf-owl/
- 17:08:33 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-136 - to review http://www.w3.org/TR/rif-rdf-owl/ [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2008-04-23].
- 17:08:38 [bijan]
- I am the liason
- 17:08:45 [bijan]
- But not in the task force
- 17:09:03 [JeremyCarroll]
- (formally I am in RIF, but I am an absent second)
- 17:09:30 [bijan]
- Uli and peter have discussed the compat doc and Uli is planning to look at it even more.
- 17:09:32 [uli]
- IanH: Uli and Peter will look at this anyway, so the action on Jeremy might be enough
- 17:09:55 [uli]
- Topic: F2F3
- 17:10:16 [JeremyCarroll]
- q+
- 17:10:20 [uli]
- Topic: Sandro is looking into Bristol and ?? dates and will be able to do a poll soon
- 17:10:40 [ewallace]
- s/??/Boston/
- 17:10:58 [IanH]
- ack JeremyCaroll
- 17:11:00 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: has heard back from Bristol coordinator
- 17:11:07 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:11:24 [JeremyCarroll]
- ack JeremyCarroll
- 17:11:28 [uli]
- Sandro: will send out pointers to poll shortly
- 17:11:48 [uli]
- Topic: Minutes of Monday's UFDTF meeting
- 17:12:18 [uli]
- Alanr: they have been taken, and I am waiting for Evan to put it on the meeting page
- 17:12:42 [uli]
- Topic: F2F minutes
- 17:12:55 [pfps]
- F2F2 minutes are minimally acceptable - Bernardo is not correctly listed as scribe, some tidying could be done
- 17:13:06 [uli]
- IanH: any comments? I did some tidying
- 17:13:18 [uli]
- AlanR: they could use some more cleaning up
- 17:13:48 [Rinke]
- I thought they looked rather good, overall. We've accepted minutes that weren't as tidy by far
- 17:14:04 [uli]
- IanH: suggest that we approve, but ask scribes to take 10min to fix up
- 17:14:15 [uli]
- PROPOSED: accept F2F minutes
- 17:14:15 [IanH]
- PROPOSED: Accept F2F2 Minutes
- 17:14:20 [IanH]
- +1
- 17:14:24 [uli]
- +1
- 17:14:26 [Rinke]
- +1
- 17:14:26 [alanr]
- +1
- 17:14:27 [ewallace]
- second
- 17:14:28 [pfps]
- +1 to accept F2F2 minutes
- 17:14:29 [baojie]
- +1
- 17:14:32 [msmith]
- +1
- 17:14:32 [ewallace]
- +1
- 17:14:33 [Carsten]
- +1
- 17:14:33 [bijan]
- +1
- 17:14:34 [diego]
- +1
- 17:14:35 [Ivan]
- 0
- 17:14:41 [IanH]
- RESOLVED: PROPOSED: Accept F2F2 Minutes
- 17:14:42 [JeremyCarroll]
- q+ to speak on last weeks minutes
- 17:14:57 [alanr]
- ack JeremeyCarroll
- 17:15:01 [IanH]
- RESOLVED: Accept F2F2 Minutes
- 17:15:03 [alanr]
- ack JeremyCarroll
- 17:15:03 [Zakim]
- JeremyCarroll, you wanted to speak on last weeks minutes
- 17:15:32 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: last week's minutes have only been cleaned up recently, so perhaps we shouldn't vote on them today
- 17:15:36 [pfps]
- 4/16 minutes were minimally acceptable even before Jeremy's tidying
- 17:15:44 [uli]
- IanH: I have tidyed them up already
- 17:16:04 [uli]
- PROPOSED: accept April 9 minutes
- 17:16:12 [Rinke]
- +1
- 17:16:12 [IanH]
- +1
- 17:16:13 [msmith]
- +1
- 17:16:15 [uli]
- +1
- 17:16:16 [diego]
- +1
- 17:16:17 [pfps]
- +1 to 4/9 minutes
- 17:16:22 [bijan]
- +1
- 17:16:22 [baojie]
- =1
- 17:16:24 [baojie]
- +1
- 17:16:28 [uli]
- RESOLVED: accept April 9 minutes
- 17:16:48 [uli]
- Topic: Action item status
- 17:17:03 [uli]
- Topic: Action 76
- 17:17:15 [uli]
- Topic: Action 86
- 17:17:40 [pfps]
- q+ for action 100
- 17:17:42 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: I haven't completed it yet, but 86 and 90 are now redundant
- 17:17:54 [uli]
- Topic: Action 100
- 17:17:56 [pfps]
- q+ to ask about action 100
- 17:18:26 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:18:27 [uli]
- AlanR: doesn't know what the status is since Jim has left the group
- 17:18:30 [IanH]
- ack pfps
- 17:18:30 [Zakim]
- pfps, you wanted to ask about action 100
- 17:18:33 [alanr]
- q?
- 17:18:51 [uli]
- pfps: Jim has left and has never done anything regarding n3 rules
- 17:19:09 [m_schnei]
- q+
- 17:19:18 [pfps]
- 102 was done
- 17:19:19 [uli]
- IanH: I suggest to kill this one and see whether anybody will ever raise a similar one
- 17:19:24 [JeremyCarroll]
- +1
- 17:19:24 [m_schnei]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:19:24 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should no longer be muted
- 17:19:25 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:19:27 [uli]
- Topic: Action 102
- 17:19:44 [alanr]
- n3 is at http://www.w3.org/mid/6481386B-0C20-457C-871A-8BF9BB86B5F9@cs.rpi.edu
- 17:19:48 [uli]
- m_schnei: should be closed if Peter is happy
- 17:20:01 [alanr]
- as attachment
- 17:20:03 [m_schnei]
- 102 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Mar/0206.html
- 17:20:18 [m_schnei]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:20:18 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should now be muted
- 17:20:45 [uli]
- pfps: the issue has been appropriately put to death
- 17:20:55 [uli]
- Topic: Action 115
- 17:21:00 [pfps]
- q+ on 115
- 17:21:06 [uli]
- IanH: Boris says he has done it
- 17:21:11 [m_schnei]
- q-
- 17:21:20 [uli]
- pfps: 115 is done, but not documented correctly
- 17:21:45 [uli]
- pfps: later/second changes of Boris needs to be documented
- 17:21:47 [JeremyCarroll]
- I don't think more documentation is needed ...
- 17:21:49 [JeremyCarroll]
- q+
- 17:22:09 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:22:09 [uli]
- IanH: can you do this, Boris?
- 17:22:14 [IanH]
- ack 115
- 17:22:17 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:22:26 [Carsten]
- boris is not here, is he?
- 17:22:33 [bijan]
- I didn't understand jeremy
- 17:22:39 [pfps]
- q+
- 17:22:43 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:22:47 [pfps]
- q-
- 17:22:50 [Ivan]
- alanr: the mail you refer to does not contain the full OWL-R n3, only a part of it
- 17:22:51 [bijan]
- I.e., garbled voice
- 17:22:54 [JeremyCarroll]
- q- on,
- 17:22:55 [pfps]
- q- on
- 17:22:55 [uli]
- ??? help the scribe, Jeremy
- 17:22:57 [IanH]
- ack JeremyCarroll
- 17:23:00 [JeremyCarroll]
- q- JeremyCarroll
- 17:23:24 [JeremyCarroll]
- I said: I don't think that detailed changes to the mapping rules need to be documented at the level of detail that peter is asking for
- 17:23:31 [bijan]
- One provides a diff?
- 17:23:35 [m_schnei]
- +1 to postpone
- 17:23:50 [JeremyCarroll]
- I said: that at and after last call such detailed tracking is needed
- 17:23:50 [uli]
- Topic: Action 116
- 17:23:55 [pfps]
- 116 is OK
- 17:23:57 [JeremyCarroll]
- Peter disagreed
- 17:24:07 [uli]
- IanH: this was uncontroversial?!
- 17:24:11 [uli]
- Topic: Action 117
- 17:24:17 [JeremyCarroll]
- yes
- 17:24:20 [uli]
- IanH: done by Jeremy
- 17:24:25 [uli]
- Topic: Action 125
- 17:24:31 [bijan]
- Done
- 17:24:40 [uli]
- Topic: Action 126
- 17:24:44 [bijan]
- Also done
- 17:24:54 [uli]
- Topic: Action 130
- 17:25:22 [uli]
- IanH: is done as well
- 17:25:39 [uli]
- Topic: Due and overdue Actions
- 17:25:46 [uli]
- Topic: action 43
- 17:26:10 [bijan]
- Tomorrow
- 17:26:16 [uli]
- Sandro: will do this in a couple of weeks
- 17:26:28 [bijan]
- I would write test cases
- 17:26:44 [uli]
- IanH: isn't top priority, but would like to see them in the not too far future
- 17:26:46 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:26:46 [Zakim]
- bijan should no longer be muted
- 17:26:59 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:27:00 [pfps]
- various stuff could easily give rise to test cases - one reason they are not being generated is that there is no mechanism
- 17:27:09 [uli]
- bijan: it would help some of my actions if we had test cases
- 17:27:23 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:27:23 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 17:27:29 [bijan]
- Even and incomplete version woudl be fine
- 17:27:34 [bijan]
- s/and/an/
- 17:27:46 [bijan]
- Yes
- 17:27:48 [uli]
- IanH: asks Sandro to help us see test cases
- 17:27:58 [sandro]
- (Yeah, I didn't quite say "will do this in a couple of weeks" -- I said there seemed to be more urgent things, and asked what time pressure there was.)
- 17:28:01 [uli]
- Topic: action 112
- 17:28:13 [uli]
- AlanR: will re-schedule
- 17:28:17 [uli]
- Topic: action 119
- 17:28:29 [uli]
- IanH: believes that this occurred
- 17:28:33 [ewallace]
- s/AlanR/Evan/
- 17:28:36 [uli]
- Topic: action 120
- 17:28:53 [bijan]
- See text in the primer on this (120)
- 17:29:04 [uli]
- Topic: action 124
- 17:29:09 [uli]
- Sandro: is done
- 17:29:13 [uli]
- Topic: action 127
- 17:29:16 [bijan]
- She did it
- 17:29:24 [ewallace]
- Done
- 17:29:30 [uli]
- Topic: action 133
- 17:29:43 [bijan]
- Alan: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Primer#OWL_1_Species "OWL Lite is a subset of OWL DL 2 and OWL Full 2 but is no longer a recommended profile."
- 17:29:49 [uli]
- IanH: believes this is work in progress and working on it
- 17:29:59 [uli]
- Topic: action 134
- 17:30:07 [uli]
- IanH: will be done soon
- 17:30:21 [m_schnei]
- what about F2F3?
- 17:30:25 [uli]
- Topic: Raised Issues
- 17:30:56 [pfps]
- q+ to talk about 110
- 17:30:58 [uli]
- IanH: for each, we will have a short initial discussion to see whether we will open them
- 17:31:06 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:31:09 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 110
- 17:31:22 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:31:24 [uli]
- pfps: it's not an issue, just a comment
- 17:31:26 [IanH]
- ack pfps
- 17:31:26 [Zakim]
- pfps, you wanted to talk about 110
- 17:31:30 [pfps]
- q+
- 17:31:48 [uli]
- alar: perhaps the issue is that somebody else trying to use CURIEs has some problems
- 17:31:59 [uli]
- pfps: this should be made clear
- 17:32:02 [uli]
- IanH:
- 17:32:16 [pfps]
- q-
- 17:32:17 [uli]
- ... agrees: we have many issues
- 17:32:32 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 111
- 17:32:38 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:32:38 [Zakim]
- bijan should no longer be muted
- 17:33:18 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:33:40 [uli]
- bijan: it would be nice if we could signal, for an rdf graph, under what semantics this document is intended to be used
- 17:33:46 [m_schnei]
- +1 to have some ontology property
- 17:33:49 [Carsten]
- would they be allowed or forced to specify that?
- 17:33:58 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:33:59 [JeremyCarroll]
- q+
- 17:34:00 [bijan]
- Carten, I imagine just allowing htem
- 17:34:14 [Carsten]
- allowing is fine, IMHO
- 17:34:18 [uli]
- Sandro: agrees that we should have something like this
- 17:34:28 [IanH]
- ack JeremyCarroll
- 17:34:41 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: remembers that this was already discussed in web-ont
- 17:34:43 [Rinke]
- And if the flag is incorrect?
- 17:34:57 [bijan]
- It can't be incorrect
- 17:35:08 [bijan]
- Issue 111
- 17:35:14 [alanr]
- action: Jeremy to look up discussion of issue 111 in previous webont
- 17:35:14 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-137 - Look up discussion of issue 111 in previous webont [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2008-04-23].
- 17:35:24 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 112
- 17:35:31 [bijan]
- Except in how anything can be incorrect (i.e., I get my intent wrong)
- 17:35:32 [MarkusK]
- q+
- 17:35:45 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:35:59 [IanH]
- ack MarkusK
- 17:36:02 [IanH]
- q+
- 17:36:09 [uli]
- it's uncontroversial from a semantic point of view, but we should find a good name for this universal property
- 17:36:16 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:36:24 [uli]
- MarkusK: it's uncontroversial from a semantic point of view, but we should find a good name for this universal property
- 17:36:27 [alanr]
- ack IanH
- 17:36:41 [JeremyCarroll]
- q+
- 17:36:42 [Carsten]
- q+
- 17:36:43 [bijan]
- q+
- 17:36:51 [uli]
- IanH: top-role is not really syntactic sugar as top-thing
- 17:37:04 [Carsten]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:37:04 [Zakim]
- Carsten should no longer be muted
- 17:37:05 [alanr]
- uli: didn't you say something about this being pseudo top role?
- 17:37:06 [uli]
- MarkusK: for SROIQ, it sort of is
- 17:37:15 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:37:40 [IanH]
- ack Carsten
- 17:37:46 [uli]
- Carsten: agrees that it can easily be reduced out, but it is not really syntactic sugar
- 17:37:51 [IanH]
- ack JeremyCarroll
- 17:37:53 [m_schnei]
- I have once managed to make it within OWL 1.1 itself <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-dev/2007OctDec/0166.html> :)
- 17:37:59 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:37:59 [Zakim]
- bijan was not muted, bijan
- 17:38:00 [MarkusK]
- q+
- 17:38:04 [alanr]
- call it "yente"
- 17:38:17 [IanH]
- ack bijan
- 17:38:22 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: warns cautiously against new vocabulary if it isn't really used
- 17:38:35 [m_schnei]
- q+
- 17:38:42 [alanr]
- skos:relatedTransitive ;-)
- 17:38:45 [m_schnei]
- q-
- 17:38:56 [uli]
- bijan: finds top and bottom role really useful from a tool developers' perspective
- 17:38:58 [alanr]
- q+
- 17:39:03 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:39:03 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 17:39:05 [alanr]
- q- alanr
- 17:39:12 [MarkusK]
- q-
- 17:39:15 [uli]
- bijan: and it would be useful for interaction with users
- 17:39:25 [IanH]
- ack MarkusK
- 17:39:40 [alanr]
- curious about whether inclusion of top/bottom role means that roles will mean that reasoners will need to infer whether roles are equivalentproperty to them?
- 17:39:43 [uli]
- MarkusK: universal role might really add expressivity to the profiles
- 17:39:52 [pfps]
- q+ to 113
- 17:40:01 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:40:08 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 113
- 17:40:12 [alanr]
- this was from f2f, no?
- 17:40:20 [IanH]
- yes
- 17:40:23 [pfps]
- F2F2: RESOLVED: DL does not have certain OWL Full entailments. OWL-R
- 17:40:25 [pfps]
- does not have certain OWL Full entailments. Vendors can
- 17:40:26 [pfps]
- implement other/related languages if they want.
- 17:40:41 [m_schnei]
- q+
- 17:40:46 [bijan]
- Didn't we make a choice?
- 17:40:49 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: is an OWL-R reasoner allowed to infer OWL-Full entailments that are not OWL-R entailments?
- 17:40:55 [alanr]
- was a raised so that it could be pointed to in the documentation
- 17:41:02 [uli]
- pfps: this was resolved at the F2F
- 17:41:02 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:41:05 [m_schnei]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:41:05 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should no longer be muted
- 17:41:05 [alanr]
- so accept/resolve
- 17:41:07 [IanH]
- ack pfps
- 17:41:07 [Zakim]
- pfps, you wanted to 113
- 17:41:10 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:41:13 [pfps]
- q-
- 17:41:17 [IanH]
- ack m_schnei
- 17:41:20 [bijan]
- Shouldn't it be an action then, instead of an issue?
- 17:41:38 [uli]
- m_schnei: if you allow a reasoner to make additional entailments, then you have non-sound reasoning
- 17:41:40 [JeremyCarroll]
- q+
- 17:41:46 [pfps]
- what would the action be to do?
- 17:41:47 [alanr]
- if it wasn't an issue, presumably it wouldn't have made it in as editor note? Makes sense though
- 17:41:53 [uli]
- ...because they can produce conflicts
- 17:42:01 [alanr]
- action: document it
- 17:42:01 [trackbot-ng]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - document
- 17:42:14 [m_schnei]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:42:14 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should now be muted
- 17:42:17 [Carsten]
- seems related to the "signalling semantics" issue raised by bijan
- 17:42:26 [pfps]
- the resolution was after the issue was raised
- 17:42:40 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: suggest to refer to next week to see what happened at the F2F regarding 113
- 17:42:41 [m_schnei]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:42:41 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should no longer be muted
- 17:42:47 [JeremyCarroll]
- s/refer/defer/
- 17:42:49 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 114
- 17:43:07 [bijan]
- q+
- 17:43:13 [JeremyCarroll]
- q-
- 17:43:13 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:43:21 [alanr]
- good question
- 17:43:22 [pfps]
- q+
- 17:43:25 [m_schnei]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:43:25 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should now be muted
- 17:43:26 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:43:26 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: which of the different punnings do we want/not want
- 17:43:27 [Zakim]
- bijan should no longer be muted
- 17:43:32 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:43:49 [JeremyCarroll]
- s/JeremyCarroll/MichaelSchneider/
- 17:43:50 [uli]
- s/JeremyCarroll/m_schnei
- 17:43:55 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:43:55 [pfps]
- +1 to bijan
- 17:43:57 [pfps]
- q-
- 17:44:05 [alanr]
- Seems sensible to me.
- 17:44:12 [uli]
- bijan: doesn't understand the issue there - it's not precise as it is
- 17:44:18 [MarkusK]
- +1 to bijan that we should discuss concrete punning cases directly
- 17:44:19 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:44:24 [uli]
- IanH: agrees
- 17:44:33 [alanr]
- q+
- 17:44:45 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:44:45 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 17:44:45 [IanH]
- ack bijan
- 17:44:51 [IanH]
- ack alanr
- 17:44:55 [uli]
- bijan: we have ruled out 1 form of punning because we had good reasons to do so -- all others are still there
- 17:45:08 [JeremyCarroll]
- q+
- 17:45:15 [bijan]
- There is a general argumetn for punning
- 17:45:28 [uli]
- alanr: it seems sensible to me to look through remaining punning and see whether they are useful
- 17:45:30 [IanH]
- ack JeremyCarroll
- 17:45:53 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:45:54 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: MichaelSchneider and me could look into this in the FullTF
- 17:46:11 [m_schnei]
- there is *no* problem with OWL Full wrt Punning!
- 17:46:13 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 115
- 17:46:30 [JeremyCarroll]
- but there might be divergence ...
- 17:46:35 [alanr]
- favicon
- 17:46:43 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:46:44 [uli]
- Rinke has a nice OWL2 picture!
- 17:46:45 [alanr]
- not an issue for publications
- 17:46:52 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:47:43 [uli]
- alanr: 2 different questions: whether we want an icon always and in all browser
- 17:47:53 [uli]
- Sandro: not high priority, but fixable
- 17:48:01 [Ivan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:48:01 [Zakim]
- Ivan should no longer be muted
- 17:48:07 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 116
- 17:48:11 [JeremyCarroll]
- +1 to fixing link checker problem
- 17:48:11 [pfps]
- q+
- 17:48:21 [Zakim]
- -MartinD
- 17:48:23 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:48:31 [MartinD]
- MartinD has left #OWL
- 17:48:34 [m_schnei]
- q+
- 17:48:47 [IanH]
- ack pfps
- 17:48:50 [uli]
- Ivan: OWL-R-Full is currently not having some axiomatic triples: we need to see whether we want them or not
- 17:49:04 [uli]
- pfps: this has been decided through the semantics
- 17:49:26 [JeremyCarroll]
- q+
- 17:49:35 [uli]
- pfps: your first triple follows from the Full semantics, so it should be there
- 17:49:45 [m_schnei]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:49:45 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should no longer be muted
- 17:49:56 [IanH]
- ack m_schnei
- 17:49:59 [uli]
- IanH: so this means that there is a bug in the OWL-R-Full rule set
- 17:50:43 [uli]
- m_schnei: for the mentioned one, it should be there - but the question is whether there should be more..
- 17:51:29 [m_schnei]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:51:29 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should now be muted
- 17:51:30 [uli]
- m_schnei: all rules from the RDFS spec should also go into the OWL-R-FUll rules, for the other ones, this has to be decided
- 17:51:34 [IanH]
- ack JeremyCarroll
- 17:51:38 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:51:47 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:51:49 [bijan]
- The axiomatic triples don't seem to be part of the RDFS entailment rules
- 17:51:59 [bijan]
- See: http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-mt/#rules
- 17:52:17 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: I accept that we need to take Ivan's question and work on the rules/document
- 17:52:34 [uli]
- Topic: Proposals to Resolve Issues
- 17:52:41 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 76
- 17:52:43 [bijan]
- (so we're no worse off than the RDF semantics rec)
- 17:52:53 [Carsten]
- si
- 17:52:57 [alanr]
- +1
- 17:52:58 [pfps]
- mute DLP
- 17:52:59 [uli]
- IanH: this is mute
- 17:53:04 [bijan]
- +1
- 17:53:06 [MarkusK]
- +1
- 17:53:06 [uli]
- +1
- 17:53:07 [Ivan]
- bijan: there are a bunch of triples at the beginning of section 4.1 of that document
- 17:53:07 [alanr]
- moot
- 17:53:08 [Carsten]
- same for 77, 80
- 17:53:22 [bijan]
- Can we resolve all three with one proposal?
- 17:53:32 [uli]
- PROPOSAL: resolve issue 76, 77, 80
- 17:53:36 [bijan]
- 76, 77, 80
- 17:53:44 [msmith]
- 80 is a bit different, since DL-Lite is still there
- 17:53:56 [alanr]
- agree
- 17:54:13 [uli]
- PROPOSAL: resolve issue 76, 77
- 17:54:25 [IanH]
- PROPOSAL: resolve issue 76, 77 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0165.html
- 17:54:34 [bijan]
- +1
- 17:54:36 [pfps]
- +1 to mute 76, 77
- 17:54:37 [Rinke]
- +1
- 17:54:37 [JeremyCarroll]
- +1
- 17:54:38 [Carsten]
- +1
- 17:54:40 [msmith]
- +1
- 17:54:41 [ewallace]
- +1
- 17:54:41 [alanr]
- +1
- 17:54:42 [IanH]
- +1
- 17:54:43 [MarkusK]
- +1
- 17:54:44 [diego]
- +1
- 17:54:49 [baojie]
- +1
- 17:54:52 [uli]
- IanH: because issue 76 and 77 relate to no-longer existent fragments
- 17:54:54 [uli]
- +1
- 17:55:03 [m_schnei]
- bijan, the RDFS axiomatic triples *are* belonging to the semantic conditions, and *also* to the entailment rules
- 17:55:09 [IanH]
- RESOLVED: resolve issue 76, 77 as per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-owl-wg/2008Apr/0165.html
- 17:55:23 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 80
- 17:55:40 [Ivan]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:55:40 [Zakim]
- Ivan should now be muted
- 17:55:46 [uli]
- IanH: we had to decide which flavour of DL-lite to have as a profile
- 17:55:49 [Carsten]
- This is ongoing work, but I don't think we need an issue for this
- 17:55:50 [bijan]
- q+
- 17:56:01 [IanH]
- q?
- 17:56:03 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:56:03 [Zakim]
- bijan was not muted, bijan
- 17:56:14 [uli]
- alanr: likes to keep issue since it is an ongoing work
- 17:56:32 [msmith]
- +! to bijan, carsten. this issue is too broad to know when to close it.
- 17:56:38 [pfps]
- +1 to bijan
- 17:56:41 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:56:41 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 17:56:43 [uli]
- bijan: would prefer to resolve it because this is the same as with all other works/documents in progress
- 17:56:43 [JeremyCarroll]
- +1 to bijan
- 17:56:57 [m_schnei]
- from chapter 7, RDFS spec: RDF entailment lemma. S rdf-entails E if and only if there is a graph which can be derived from S *plus the RDF axiomatic triples* by the application of rule lg and the RDF entailment rules and which simply entails E.
- 17:57:13 [IanH]
- PROPOSED: close issue-80 as moot
- 17:57:16 [pfps]
- +1 to mute 80
- 17:57:23 [ewallace]
- +1
- 17:57:23 [uli]
- +1
- 17:57:24 [IanH]
- +1
- 17:57:26 [Carsten]
- +1
- 17:57:26 [alanr]
- 0
- 17:57:28 [msmith]
- +1
- 17:57:30 [JeremyCarroll]
- +1
- 17:57:35 [sandro]
- +1
- 17:57:36 [diego]
- +1
- 17:57:39 [Ratnesh]
- +1
- 17:57:45 [Rinke]
- +1
- 17:57:47 [MarkusK]
- +1
- 17:57:49 [IanH]
- RESOLVED: close issue-80 as moot
- 17:58:01 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 67
- 17:58:12 [Carsten]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:58:12 [Zakim]
- Carsten should now be muted
- 17:58:20 [uli]
- IanH: reification in axiom annotation
- 17:58:21 [bijan]
- Thanks michael...I my search didn't find it
- 17:58:42 [pfps]
- proposal is from Alan
- 17:58:42 [bijan]
- I have an action on this topic
- 17:59:02 [JeremyCarroll]
- q+ to speak against closing this issue, but OK with next
- 17:59:05 [bijan]
- http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/tracker/actions/129
- 17:59:17 [IanH]
- Q?
- 17:59:27 [pfps]
- q+
- 17:59:30 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 17:59:30 [Zakim]
- bijan should no longer be muted
- 17:59:57 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 17:59:57 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 18:00:02 [uli]
- bijan: I have an action related to this, so we cannot resolve it before I have done this action
- 18:00:37 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: at the F2F, alanr said that annotation and reification both are semantically difficult
- 18:00:47 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:01:08 [alanr]
- we were going to wait for Bijan
- 18:01:11 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:01:19 [alanr]
- ack bijan
- 18:01:27 [alanr]
- ack JeremyCarroll
- 18:01:27 [Zakim]
- JeremyCarroll, you wanted to speak against closing this issue, but OK with next
- 18:01:28 [IanH]
- ack JeremyCaroll
- 18:01:29 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 18:01:31 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 18:01:31 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:01:33 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: is anxious regarding this issue, especially with negative property assertions
- 18:01:39 [alanr]
- ack pfps
- 18:01:56 [bijan]
- I'm supposed to compare it to other proposals
- 18:02:09 [bijan]
- Isn't it silly to discuss this when I have an action to come up with stuff?
- 18:02:16 [uli]
- pfps: there is a proposal on the table
- 18:02:17 [JeremyCarroll]
- on neg prop assertions at f2f some people spoke against alan's proposal, and I found arguments compelling
- 18:02:28 [m_schnei]
- +1 to wait for bijan
- 18:02:30 [bijan]
- This is why I have *my action*(
- 18:02:32 [JeremyCarroll]
- I didn't feel my coutnerarguments were as strong
- 18:02:40 [Ivan]
- +1 to wait for bijan
- 18:02:49 [diego]
- +1 to wait for bijan
- 18:02:58 [pfps]
- ha ha ha
- 18:02:58 [uli]
- IanH: let's move on to an issue we can resolve
- 18:03:04 [bijan]
- This is part of my action :)
- 18:03:06 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 81
- 18:03:06 [alanr]
- re: neg prop, best argument against was introduction of nominals which raised the expressivity ante unnecessarily
- 18:03:15 [bijan]
- ACTION-129
- 18:03:15 [bijan]
- open
- 18:03:15 [bijan]
- Come up with proposals for ISSUE-67 and ISSUE-81.
- 18:03:27 [uli]
- Ian: we had a proposal at the F2F
- 18:03:31 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:03:39 [uli]
- alanr: we need to wait for Bijan for this as well
- 18:03:46 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 9
- 18:03:49 [bijan]
- The point was that we didn't have agreement on *any* proposal,s o I have action to enumerate and compare them
- 18:04:11 [uli]
- IanH: this should be easy/resolvable
- 18:04:41 [uli]
- IanH: the statement/worry this issue refers to is no longer in the document
- 18:04:48 [JeremyCarroll]
- I am happy
- 18:04:52 [uli]
- RESOLVED: Issue 9
- 18:04:58 [alanr]
- moot
- 18:05:02 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 60
- 18:05:11 [alanr]
- also not culturally universal :)
- 18:05:20 [Ivan]
- +1
- 18:05:21 [alanr]
- +1
- 18:05:22 [JeremyCarroll]
- happy families certainly aren't culturally universal :(
- 18:05:22 [bijan]
- We replaced wine with a sterotypical, imperialistic, western 50's style family
- 18:05:24 [baojie]
- +1
- 18:05:24 [uli]
- IanH: this is no longer an issue since no more wine in primer
- 18:05:25 [diego]
- +1
- 18:05:29 [Rinke]
- +1 very eager
- 18:05:40 [bijan]
- Every happy family is the same. Every unhappy family is unhappy in its own way.
- 18:05:42 [IanH]
- PROPOSAL: close issues 9 and 60 as moot
- 18:05:42 [bijan]
- +1
- 18:05:43 [pfps]
- +1 to moot 9 and 60
- 18:05:46 [JeremyCarroll]
- +1
- 18:05:48 [uli]
- +1
- 18:05:49 [ewallace]
- +1
- 18:05:53 [Carsten]
- +1
- 18:05:55 [MarkusK]
- +1
- 18:05:56 [msmith]
- +1
- 18:06:02 [Ivan]
- +1
- 18:06:02 [JeremyCarroll]
- so at least unhappy families are interesting
- 18:06:12 [bijan]
- So says tolstoy
- 18:06:15 [IanH]
- RESOLVED: : close issues 9 and 60 as moot
- 18:06:37 [uli]
- Topic: Other Issue Discussions
- 18:06:49 [m_schnei]
- if we have time, we should consider talking about f2f3
- 18:06:59 [uli]
- IanH: these issues have been with us for a while
- 18:07:05 [bijan]
- How about without the static!
- 18:07:12 [Carsten]
- not understandable
- 18:07:37 [bijan]
- Much better!
- 18:08:44 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: the language tag issue arose from some prior work. When dealing with natural language literals in OWL, we cannot talk about these things
- 18:08:55 [IanH]
- Q?
- 18:09:07 [Carsten]
- have to leave, sorry; bye
- 18:09:10 [Zakim]
- -Carsten
- 18:09:30 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: I would like to add some primitives: language tags and language range
- 18:09:30 [m_schnei]
- q+
- 18:09:44 [alanr]
- fwiw, I have recently wanted this in some ontology development
- 18:09:51 [alanr]
- q+ to say why
- 18:09:54 [bijan]
- If we had XML schema lists, couldn't we handle this?
- 18:10:01 [m_schnei]
- zakim, unmute me
- 18:10:01 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should no longer be muted
- 18:10:03 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: it would be similar as the literal handling for XSD derived types
- 18:10:03 [bijan]
- Add a bit of syntactic sugar for langed literals
- 18:10:11 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:10:16 [IanH]
- ack m_schnei
- 18:10:17 [bijan]
- q+
- 18:10:21 [pfps]
- q+
- 18:10:32 [uli]
- m_schnei: dislikes this because it is domain-specific knowledge
- 18:10:39 [m_schnei]
- zakim, mute me
- 18:10:39 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should now be muted
- 18:10:43 [JeremyCarroll]
- q+ to respond
- 18:11:16 [uli]
- alanr: the use case is to distinguish bar-codes from comments
- 18:11:20 [pfps]
- q-
- 18:11:22 [m_schnei]
- I dislike it in RDF, too
- 18:11:32 [IanH]
- ack alanr
- 18:11:32 [Zakim]
- alanr, you wanted to say why
- 18:11:45 [IanH]
- ack JeremyCarroll
- 18:11:45 [Zakim]
- JeremyCarroll, you wanted to respond
- 18:11:50 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:11:57 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: it's not domain specific knowledge - it is to relate a language-specific tag to its language
- 18:12:25 [bijan]
- zakim, unmute me
- 18:12:25 [Zakim]
- bijan should no longer be muted
- 18:12:33 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:12:38 [uli]
- bijan: agrees that this is not domain knowledge
- 18:12:40 [IanH]
- ack bijan
- 18:13:09 [uli]
- bijan: it's a xsd datatype, and this is a sensible proposal to use it
- 18:13:11 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:13:18 [bijan]
- zakim, mute me
- 18:13:18 [Zakim]
- bijan should now be muted
- 18:13:21 [m_schnei]
- ok, then I will wait for a concrete proposal,
- 18:13:25 [JeremyCarroll]
- q+
- 18:13:29 [bijan]
- I'd happily work on one with jeremy
- 18:13:32 [uli]
- IanH: could somebody to come up with a proposal
- 18:13:43 [IanH]
- ack JeremyCarroll
- 18:13:51 [m_schnei]
- might well be that I misunderstood this issue
- 18:13:54 [uli]
- JeremyCarroll: I can go back to my previous work and come up with one
- 18:14:05 [bijan]
- jeremy: see my scratch proposal above
- 18:14:26 [uli]
- ACTION: JeremyCarroll to come up with a proposal to issue 71
- 18:14:26 [trackbot-ng]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - JeremyCarroll
- 18:14:52 [uli]
- Topic: Issue 71
- 18:14:57 [pfps]
- q+
- 18:15:02 [msmith]
- ISSUE-16 discussion at f2f2 http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/F2F2_Minutes#Issue_16_entity_annotations
- 18:15:06 [uli]
- ACTION: Jeremy to come up with a proposal to issue 71
- 18:15:06 [trackbot-ng]
- Created ACTION-138 - Come up with a proposal to issue 71 [on Jeremy Carroll - due 2008-04-23].
- 18:15:10 [msmith]
- ACTION: jjc to drive this issue forward to resolutio
- 18:15:10 [trackbot-ng]
- Sorry, couldn't find user - jjc
- 18:15:26 [msmith]
- sorry, that was me quoting, not assigning new action
- 18:15:45 [pfps]
- q-
- 18:15:59 [m_schnei]
- didn't peter and boris had proposals for this?
- 18:16:00 [uli]
- IanH: there was an action generated at the F2F2 on Jeremy, but this was clearly to short a time for this
- 18:16:13 [m_schnei]
- q+
- 18:16:15 [ewallace]
- Hurray!
- 18:16:16 [bijan]
- easykeys!
- 18:16:16 [uli]
- IanH: end of agenda
- 18:16:18 [m_schnei]
- zakim, unmute me
- 18:16:18 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should no longer be muted
- 18:16:24 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:16:27 [uli]
- m_schnei:
- 18:16:34 [pfps]
- q+
- 18:16:41 [uli]
- ...we have missed F2F3 meeting on this agenda
- 18:16:51 [m_schnei]
- zakim, mute me
- 18:16:51 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should now be muted
- 18:17:00 [uli]
- IanH: disagrees - we have agreed that Sandro will put a poll out
- 18:17:02 [m_schnei]
- zakim, unmute me
- 18:17:02 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should no longer be muted
- 18:17:20 [m_schnei]
- zakim, mute me
- 18:17:20 [Zakim]
- m_schnei should now be muted
- 18:17:45 [uli]
- IanH: would people be willing to discuss easykeys?
- 18:17:55 [pfps]
- q+ to ask about Monday meeting for imports task force
- 18:17:56 [bijan]
- Boris actually
- 18:18:03 [uli]
- alanr: Peter and Bernardo wanted the more careful semantics
- 18:18:08 [m_schnei]
- q-
- 18:18:16 [m_schnei]
- zakim, mute me
- 18:18:16 [Zakim]
- m_schnei was already muted, m_schnei
- 18:18:22 [m_schnei]
- q-
- 18:18:45 [IanH]
- ack pfps
- 18:18:45 [Zakim]
- pfps, you wanted to ask about Monday meeting for imports task force
- 18:18:51 [uli]
- pfps: will we have an imports TF on monday?
- 18:18:59 [bijan]
- That's fine
- 18:19:10 [bijan]
- The proposal is more fleshed out...please reveiw
- 18:19:35 [uli]
- alanr: we discussed having an imports TF on monday
- 18:19:39 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:19:56 [uli]
- alanr: has spent some time looking at XML catalogue
- 18:20:13 [uli]
- alanr: we could meet and discuss Peter's proposal
- 18:20:19 [pfps]
- q+
- 18:20:35 [uli]
- alanr: would think that it would be more productive to not have a meeting next week
- 18:20:40 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:20:49 [pfps]
- q-
- 18:21:13 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:21:19 [uli]
- alanr: we can put it Peter's proposal and discuss it in the WG
- 18:21:32 [uli]
- ???
- 18:21:46 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:21:47 [uli]
- s/it/in
- 18:22:12 [uli]
- pfps: I cannot put in my proposal because Boris has a lock currently
- 18:22:13 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:22:37 [uli]
- alanr: why don't we meet for 10min and see where we are at
- 18:22:44 [IanH]
- q?
- 18:22:50 [uli]
- IanH: suggests to have Boris there as well
- 18:22:55 [JeremyCarroll]
- +1 to adjourn
- 18:22:59 [uli]
- IanH: anything else?
- 18:23:00 [IanH]
- +1
- 18:23:13 [alanr]
- claps for Ian!
- 18:23:15 [Rinke]
- thanks
- 18:23:17 [alanr]
- bye
- 18:23:19 [Zakim]
- -JeremyCarroll
- 18:23:20 [Zakim]
- -bijan
- 18:23:20 [Zakim]
- -Evan_Wallace
- 18:23:21 [Zakim]
- -msmith
- 18:23:21 [Zakim]
- -Achille
- 18:23:21 [Ratnesh]
- bye
- 18:23:22 [diego]
- bye
- 18:23:22 [Zakim]
- -Sandro
- 18:23:23 [MarkusK]
- bye
- 18:23:23 [Zakim]
- -Peter_Patel-Schneider
- 18:23:23 [Ivan]
- regrets for next week, I am in Beijing...
- 18:23:24 [Zakim]
- -ChristineG
- 18:23:25 [Rinke]
- bye
- 18:23:26 [Zakim]
- -Ratnesh
- 18:23:26 [uli]
- IanH: wew have resolved many issues and deserve and early evening
- 18:23:28 [Zakim]
- -Alan
- 18:23:28 [MarkusK]
- MarkusK has left #owl
- 18:23:30 [Zakim]
- -diegoc
- 18:23:31 [JeremyCarroll]
- last week was quicker
- 18:23:32 [Zakim]
- -IanH
- 18:23:34 [Zakim]
- -Rinke
- 18:23:36 [Zakim]
- -MarkusK
- 18:23:40 [Zakim]
- -Ivan
- 18:23:41 [Zakim]
- -baojie
- 18:23:43 [Zakim]
- -m_schnei
- 18:23:44 [Zakim]
- SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended
- 18:23:46 [Zakim]
- Attendees were bijan, IanH, uli, +31.20.525.aaaa, Peter_Patel-Schneider, msmith, Rinke, Sandro, Evan_Wallace, MartinD, Ivan, baojie, m_schnei, diegoc, Ratnesh, MarkusK, Achille,
- 18:23:46 [IanH]
- but we didn't resolve any issues last week!
- 18:23:49 [Zakim]
- ... JeremyCarroll, ChristineG, +49.351.463.3.aabb, Alan, Carsten
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- JeremyCarroll has left #owl
- 18:24:54 [IanH]
- I hope so -- Sandro?
- 18:25:05 [IanH]
- Anyone technically competent?
- 18:25:26 [IanH]
- Let me see if I can figure it out.
- 18:25:29 [uli]
- ...Sandro is still here
- 18:25:52 [msmith]
- msmith has left #owl
- 18:25:53 [IanH]
- Sandro is omnipresent, but perhaps only in spirit
- 18:26:47 [IanH]
- RRSAgent, make record public
- 18:27:02 [uli]
- wow - I am impressed, Ian!
- 18:27:23 [uli]
- I guess this is it?
- 18:27:26 [IanH]
- but now I am in a twisty maze of passages all the same :-(
- 18:27:40 [IanH]
- I hope that is it -- not completely sure.
- 18:28:05 [IanH]
- Anyway, you get on your way and I will take care of it
- 18:28:08 [IanH]
- Thanks!
- 18:29:19 [uli]
- see you!
- 18:31:52 [IanH]
- RRSAgent, generate minutes
- 18:31:52 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/16-owl-minutes.html IanH
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- RRSAgent, make record public
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