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15:02:44 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has now started
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15:02:50 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
15:02:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see no one
15:02:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see Helen, RRSAgent, vipul, jar286, Zakim, ericP
15:02:53 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
15:03:02 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
15:03:05 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap
15:03:13 <Zakim> On IRC I see Helen, RRSAgent, vipul, jar286, Zakim, ericP
15:03:15 <vipul> agenda+ Roll Call
15:03:30 <vipul> display agenda
15:03:37 <Zakim> +Jennifer
15:03:51 <vipul> show agenda
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15:05:08 <Zakim> +Tom_Oniki
15:05:45 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
15:05:45 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, Jennifer, Tom_Oniki, Jyoti
15:05:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see HelenC, jen, Helen, RRSAgent, vipul, jar286, Zakim, ericP
15:06:47 <Zakim> +Helen_Chen
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15:07:11 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
15:07:11 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, Jennifer, Tom_Oniki, Jyoti, Helen_Chen
15:07:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see Tom, HelenC, jen, Helen, RRSAgent, vipul, jar286, Zakim, ericP
15:08:13 <vipul> scribe HelenC
15:08:36 <Zakim> + +1.813.396.aaaa
15:08:51 <vipul> Zakim, aaaa is Rachel_Richesson
15:08:51 <Zakim> +Rachel_Richesson; got it
15:08:55 <HelenC> Zakim, who is here
15:08:56 <Zakim> HelenC, you need to end that query with '?'
15:09:07 <HelenC> Zakim, who's here?
15:09:07 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, Jennifer, Tom_Oniki, Jyoti, Helen_Chen, Rachel_Richesson
15:09:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see Tom, HelenC, jen, RRSAgent, vipul, jar286, Zakim, ericP
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15:09:35 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SDTM-Version1.owl
15:10:43 <HelenC> review SDTM ontology, using SDTM data model to express medication, and lab
15:11:23 <HelenC> ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SDTM-Version1.owl
15:14:02 <HelenC> the purpose is to express CT criteria and write SPARQL query for the demo
15:14:56 <HelenC> Rachel:hard to tie back to existing vac
15:16:41 <HelenC> <Rachel>: need to have terms different terms for "prescribed" medication and medication history
15:17:39 <vipul> Concomittant
15:18:14 <HelenC> s/<Rachel>/<Jen>
15:21:05 <HelenC> Jen and Vipul discuss re-arrange of LabTestCategory in the next day or two
15:22:34 <HelenC> May need to add "questionnair" class
15:23:09 <HelenC> Urine analysis and chemistry class have lots of over-lapping
15:23:55 <HelenC> <Rachel> didn't see "clinical findings"
15:24:05 <jen> rearrangement -- move electrolytes to chemistry and urinalysis
15:24:15 <jen> move liver test to chemistry
15:24:36 <HelenC> <Vipul> current demo does not include "clinical analysis" so not included in the ontology
15:25:33 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
15:25:33 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
15:25:35 <Zakim> +EricP
15:25:41 <HelenC> Need to add "physical finding" class as subclass for "finding" 
15:26:05 <HelenC> VitalSigns is only of physical examines
15:26:22 <HelenC> remove "intervention"
15:26:43 <HelenC> most of things in CT criteria are about medical history
15:26:56 <HelenC> need to add patient demographic information
15:27:25 <HelenC> need to figure out how HL7 presents patient demo info
15:28:03 <HelenC> What is the difference between "Finding" and "Finding Category"?
15:29:48 <HelenC> Under finding, need to add "Diagnosis" class
15:31:35 <HelenC> <Jen> Adverse event, related to "intervention", and can under "indication" for medication
15:31:47 <jen> indication is not symptom
15:32:40 <HelenC> <jen> suggest to move indication under "medication"
15:33:23 <jen> indication means symptom and use of medication
15:33:24 <HelenC> <vipul> indication can be a broad concept, 
15:34:14 <HelenC> <vipul> remove intervention, add medical history, 
15:34:41 <HelenC> <vipul> add physical exam under finding
15:35:08 <vipul> close agendum 2
15:35:19 <vipul> open agendum 2
15:36:26 <HelenC> encourage sharing of these knowledge generated at COI and collaboration with other groups
15:36:27 <vipul> show agenda
15:36:49 <vipul> close agendum 4
15:37:11 <HelenC> <jyoti> dicuss clinical practice ontology
15:37:13 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ClinicalPractice-Ontology-Version-3.ppt
15:38:48 <HelenC> removed qualifiers and information not relavent to the demo test cases
15:39:33 <HelenC> removed "vital sign" class, 
15:40:47 <HelenC> add "hasData" property to capture the value of the vital signs
15:42:41 <HelenC> what is the sementic of "hasItem" property?
15:43:48 <HelenC> <vipul> similar to "hasMember", saying something is a member of "blood pressure pannel"
15:43:59 <HelenC> Zakim, who is talking?
15:44:10 <Zakim> HelenC, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: Vipul_Kashyap (23%)
15:47:24 <HelenC> Need to capture the undering sementics, 
15:49:51 <HelenC> <vipul> propose to post-cordinated methods rather then pre-cordinated method, when describing anatomical location
15:53:51 <HelenC> <Jyoti>ControlAct, SubstanceADministration classes taken from HL7, hope to get feedback from people familiar with HL7
16:00:38 <HelenC> how to capture the state of act such as "giving medication" (stopped, continuned") 
16:01:01 <Zakim> -EricP
16:01:41 <HelenC> control act is to be used to mark the state of act, similar to HL7 RIM
16:03:18 <HelenC> STDM model clearly identy time, but not represent "stop" and "suspended" kind of event
16:03:34 <Zakim> -Jennifer
16:03:35 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
16:03:35 <Zakim> -Tom_Oniki
16:03:36 <Zakim> -Jyoti
16:03:36 <Zakim> -Rachel_Richesson
16:03:44 <Zakim> -Helen_Chen
16:03:45 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has ended
16:03:46 <Zakim> Attendees were Vipul_Kashyap, Jennifer, Jyoti, Tom_Oniki, Helen_Chen, +1.813.396.aaaa, Rachel_Richesson, EricP
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16:03:55 <vipul> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:23:47 <mscottm> hi
16:45:16 <ericP> heya scott
16:45:29 <ericP> bout to grab lunch
16:45:39 <ericP> can brief you here when i get back, if that works
16:46:05 <ericP> (not much happened, but susie talked to phil lord about ismb toronto
16:46:11 <ericP> )
16:47:06 <mscottm> Was just about to SMS ya.
16:48:41 <mscottm> I'm dialed into the Zakim number that you sent (7 min til COI call was done) but I'll hang up.
16:49:25 <mscottm> Will you call or send mail when you've had a bite? I want to talk to you about KB note edits.
18:25:01 <mscottm> sounds like bad news!
18:29:33 <ericP> hey, can we chat tomorrow?
18:29:46 <ericP> what time do you start work? (i've been staying up late lately)
18:31:23 <ericP> i suppose you are wondering how to handle the alan/jar's comments