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16:45:24 <jeremy_> Zakim, this will be OWL.
16:45:24 <Zakim> ok, jeremy_; I see SW_OWL()12:00PM scheduled to start 45 minutes ago
16:45:51 <jeremy_> scribenick: jeremy
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16:55:36 <Zakim> + +0186527aaaa
16:55:53 <IanH> zakim, aaaa is IanH
16:55:53 <Zakim> +IanH; got it
16:56:55 <Zakim> +??P20
16:57:02 <jeremy_> Zakim, ??P20 is me
16:57:02 <Zakim> +jeremy_; got it
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16:59:37 <jeremy_> scribenick: jeremy_
17:00:15 <Zakim> + +39.047.101.aabb
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17:00:51 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, ??P34 is me
17:00:51 <Zakim> +bcuencagrau; got it
17:01:05 <bcuencagrau> Zakim, mute me
17:01:05 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
17:01:12 <Zakim> + +1.202.408.aacc
17:01:28 <Zakim> + +1.603.897.aadd
17:01:40 <Zhe> Zakim, +1.603.897.aadd is me
17:01:41 <Zakim> +Zhe; got it
17:01:47 <jeremy_> If anyone knows how to change the title of the meeting in IRC please do so; it is out of date.
17:02:10 <Ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
17:02:10 <Zakim> ok, Ivan; the call is being made
17:02:11 <Zakim> +Ivan
17:02:17 <msmith> msmith has changed the topic to: http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.04.09/Agenda
17:02:18 <Zakim> +Evan_Wallace
17:02:29 <Zakim> + +0190827aaee
17:02:37 <MartinD> zakim, aaee is me
17:02:37 <Zakim> +MartinD; got it
17:02:39 <ewallace> ewallace has joined #owl
17:02:40 <jeremy_> thanks mike
17:02:46 <MartinD> zakim, mute me
17:02:48 <Zakim> MartinD should now be muted
17:03:14 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
17:03:14 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, +39.047.101.aabb, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted)
17:03:16 <Zakim> On IRC I see ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng
17:03:48 <Ivan> zakim, aabb is Diego
17:03:48 <Zakim> +Diego; got it
17:04:09 <jeremy_> Zakim, mute me
17:04:09 <Zakim> jeremy_ should now be muted
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17:04:46 <Zakim> +Jonathan_Rees
17:05:15 <jeremy_> Zakim, unmute me
17:05:15 <Zakim> jeremy_ should no longer be muted
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17:05:41 <alanr> zakim, who am i
17:05:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'who am i', alanr
17:05:44 <alanr> zakim, who am i?
17:05:44 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, alanr.
17:05:47 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
17:05:47 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, Diego, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), Jonathan_Rees
17:05:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng
17:05:50 <Zakim> + +1.512.342.aaff
17:06:00 <alanr> zakim, Jonathan_Rees is alanr
17:06:00 <Zakim> +alanr; got it
17:06:06 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
17:06:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, Diego, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), alanr, +1.512.342.aaff
17:06:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng
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17:06:22 <Zakim> +Sandro
17:06:38 <jie> jie has joined #owl
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17:07:03 <jie> jie has left #owl
17:07:03 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
17:07:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, Diego, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), alanr, +1.512.342.aaff, Sandro, +1.518.276.aagg
17:07:07 <Zakim> On IRC I see diegoc, DougL, baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng
17:07:17 <baojie> 1.518.276.aagg is baojie
17:07:30 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
17:07:32 <jeremy_> Zakim, aagg is baojie
17:07:32 <Zakim> +baojie; got it
17:07:36 <Ivan> zakim, aagg is doug
17:07:36 <Zakim> sorry, Ivan, I do not recognize a party named 'aagg'
17:07:44 <jeremy_> Zakim, aaff is doug
17:07:44 <Zakim> +doug; got it
17:07:47 <DougL> Zakim, aaff is me
17:07:47 <Zakim> sorry, DougL, I do not recognize a party named 'aaff'
17:07:55 <alanr> zakim, who is here?
17:07:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH, jeremy_, Diego, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), alanr, doug, Sandro, baojie, [IPcaller]
17:07:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see diegoc, DougL, baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng
17:08:04 <jeremy_> Zakim, doug is DougL
17:08:04 <Zakim> +DougL; got it
17:08:08 <m_schnei> zakim, IPCaller is me
17:08:08 <Zakim> +m_schnei; got it
17:08:17 <m_schnei> zakim, mute me
17:08:17 <Zakim> m_schnei should now be muted
17:08:33 <jeremy_> Zakim, mute me
17:08:33 <Zakim> jeremy_ should now be muted
17:08:42 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
17:08:44 <Zakim> +??P15
17:08:50 <jeremy_> Minutes 
17:08:50 <IanH> I looked, they seem OK
17:08:54 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: alanr (69%), Sandro (4%)
17:08:54 <diegoc> Zakim, mute me
17:08:57 <Zakim> sorry, diegoc, I do not know which phone connection belongs to you
17:08:59 <ewallace> Minutes look OK
17:08:59 <jeremy_> previous minutes proposed by chair (alan)
17:09:06 <alanr> +1
17:09:08 <Ivan> zakim, diego is diegoc
17:09:08 <Zakim> +diegoc; got it
17:09:09 <IanH> +1
17:09:19 <DougL> +1
17:09:22 <jeremy_> http://www.w3.org/2007/OWL/wiki/Teleconference.2008.03.26/Minutes
17:09:24 <MartinD> +1
17:09:29 <Zhe> +1
17:09:32 <jeremy_> RESOLVED: accept minutes
17:09:36 <alanr> q?
17:09:53 <IanH> zakim, who is here?
17:09:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see IanH (muted), jeremy_ (muted), diegoc, bcuencagrau (muted), msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, MartinD (muted), alanr, DougL, Sandro (muted), baojie, m_schnei
17:09:57 <Zakim> ... (muted), ??P15
17:09:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see diegoc, DougL, baojie, alanr, m_schnei, ewallace, Zhe, msmith, MartinD, Ivan, bcuencagrau, IanH, RRSAgent, Zakim, jeremy_, sandro, trackbot-ng
17:10:13 <alanr> zakim, ??P15 is ChristineG
17:10:13 <Zakim> +ChristineG; got it
17:10:24 <alanr> q?
17:10:28 <m_schnei> what about raised issues?
17:10:31 <jeremy_> Alan: any questions or thoughts about F2F2?
17:11:15 <m_schnei> and all the new issues raised
17:11:16 <IanH> q+
17:11:22 <jeremy_> Alan: issues raised as a consequence of f2f business will be accepted.
17:11:24 <alanr> q?
17:11:36 <ewallace> Is there anything we need to talk about to fix publications?
17:11:42 <alanr> ack IanH
17:11:46 <jeremy_> Ian: Sandro, what is the lastest position concerning publication.
17:12:02 <jeremy_> Sandro: needing go ahead from editors, otherwise OK
17:12:11 <jeremy_> Sandro: some editors being a bit silent.
17:12:22 <jeremy_> Ian: Boris is on holiday, so will be silent.
17:12:33 <m_schnei> issues 112, 114, 115, 116 are *not* consequences of the f2f
17:12:52 <jeremy_> Ian: Boris did his edits and left, and will not respond
17:12:58 <Zhe> q+
17:13:09 <alanr> ack zhe
17:13:43 <m_schnei> how long exactly is boris on vacation?
17:13:50 <Ivan> q+
17:13:59 <bcuencagrau> q+
17:14:07 <jeremy_> Zhe: asked question about intro to fragments/profiles
17:14:19 <jeremy_> Zhe: the new three bullets ...
17:14:49 <jeremy_> q+
17:15:02 <Ivan> ack Ivan 
17:15:10 <alanr> ack Ivan
17:15:23 <jeremy_> Chair: if Zhe is unhappy then we should delete this late change and leave editors note
17:15:24 <bcuencagrau> zakim, unmute me
17:15:24 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should no longer be muted
17:15:44 <alanr> ack bcuencagrau
17:16:40 <alanr> ack jeremy_
17:17:00 <msmith> q+
17:17:07 <Ivan> +1 to jeremy_ 
17:17:08 <ewallace> Bernardo: I think there should be a small section in the primer discussing the profiles/fragments
17:17:14 <Zhe> q+
17:17:18 <jeremy_> Bernardo: this could be in primer, and perhaps not in this doc
17:17:23 <jeremy_> Zakim, mute me
17:17:23 <Zakim> jeremy_ should now be muted
17:17:39 <jeremy_> in f2f
17:17:42 <bcuencagrau> zakim, unmute me
17:17:42 <Zakim> bcuencagrau was not muted, bcuencagrau
17:17:51 <bcuencagrau> zakim, mute me
17:17:51 <Zakim> bcuencagrau should now be muted
17:17:55 <jeremy_> Zakim, unmute me
17:17:55 <Zakim> jeremy_ should no longer be muted
17:18:15 <IanH> Jeremy: I think that it is important to have these sentences even if they are said to be "non-consensus"
17:18:39 <IanH> Jeremy: Poor quality intro better than no content.
17:18:53 <IanH> Jeremy: could be put into an editors note
17:18:56 <msmith> ?q
17:18:57 <jeremy_> Zakim, mute me
17:18:57 <Zakim> jeremy_ should now be muted
17:19:00 <sandro> zakim, who is talking?
17:19:10 <Zakim> sandro, listening for 10 seconds I heard sound from the following: alanr (44%), Sandro (4%), Zhe (27%)
17:20:12 <jeremy_> I will step back if Zhe is stubborn on this!
17:20:13 <bcuencagrau> +q
17:20:47 <jeremy_> q+
17:20:52 <IanH> q+
17:21:02 <Zakim> +Peter_Patel-Schneider
17:21:02 <jeremy_> Alan: Zhe can you suggest some repairs to this text?
17:21:15 <msmith> q-
17:21:19 <Zhe> q-
17:21:20 <jeremy_> Zhe: but can the WG agree on any text in time.
17:21:21 <bcuencagrau> zakim, unmute me
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17:21:30 <alanr> ack bcuencagrau
17:21:44 <jeremy_> Bernardo: in the profiles doc there is quite a few things that need to be decided (non technical)
17:22:05 <jeremy_> Bernardo: the motivations relate to the names, we will need to discuss these issues
17:22:29 <jeremy_> Bernardo: I think Carsten did a good job with the intro.
17:23:13 <jeremy_> Bernardo: we could drop last sentence of each bullet point "is suitable"
17:23:33 <msmith> +1 to Berndardo's suggestion as a path forward
17:23:49 <jeremy_> 0 to Bernardo
17:23:49 <ewallace> +1 on Bernardo's suggestion
17:23:55 <alanr> ack jeremy_
17:23:58 <Ivan> I think something should be present in both documents, actually
17:24:02 <sandro> PROPOSED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro.   All of the form "...is suitable for...".
17:24:20 <alanr> ack IanH
17:24:20 <jeremy_> Zakim, mute me
17:24:21 <Zakim> jeremy_ should now be muted
17:24:37 <Zhe> q+
17:25:11 <alanr> ack Zhe
17:25:16 <jeremy_> Ian: Zhe are you happy with this proposed change.
17:25:29 <jeremy_> Zhe: yes
17:25:32 <Ivan> q+
17:25:38 <alanr> ack Ivan
17:25:41 <sandro> Zhe: I like the intro, except for the "is suitable" sentences.
17:25:52 <jeremy_> Ian: so we have consensus
17:26:01 <bcuencagrau> yes
17:26:03 <sandro> PROPOSED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro.   All of the form "...is suitable for...".
17:26:08 <jeremy_> Ivan: I think we also agree that the editors note from Bijan should stay
17:26:11 <msmith> +1
17:26:12 <jeremy_> 0
17:26:12 <ewallace> +1
17:26:14 <Zhe> +1
17:26:14 <bcuencagrau> +1
17:26:15 <DougL> +1
17:26:15 <Ivan> +1
17:26:16 <alanr> +1
17:26:17 <IanH> +1
17:26:17 <m_schnei> 0
17:26:21 <MartinD> 0
17:26:21 <sandro> PROPOSED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro.   All of the form "...is suitable for...".  (And keep in editor's note from Bijan)
17:26:21 <diegoc> +1
17:26:24 <sandro> +0
17:26:27 <pfps> +0
17:26:32 <baojie> +1
17:26:45 <sandro> RESOLVED: For now, drop the last sentence from each bullet point in Profile's Intro.   All of the form "...is suitable for...".  (And keep in editor's note from Bijan)
17:26:48 <alanr> q?
17:27:00 <jeremy_> Sandro will implement this as part of publication
17:27:01 <Ivan> q+
17:27:20 <alanr> ack Ivan
17:27:32 <jeremy_> Ivan: question to Zhe, I found some small bugs in the rules
17:27:40 <jeremy_> Zhe: I have fixed these
17:27:41 <alanr> where can I find sotd
17:27:43 <IanH> q+
17:27:46 <alanr> ack IanH
17:27:47 <jeremy_> Zhe: (the typed triple)
17:28:01 <ewallace> Have to go.  Thanks again to chairs for a productive WG F2F in DC.  Bye.
17:28:09 <Zakim> -Evan_Wallace
17:28:10 <jeremy_> Ian: The XML Serialization and Primer have bolier plate abstract
17:28:24 <msmith> I believe zhe removed in response to Carsten?
17:28:33 <jeremy_> Ian: The profiles doc has no boiler plate, but has editor's note
17:28:49 <Zhe> I think Carsten asked for it
17:28:50 <jeremy_> Sandro: they all were the same, but someone complained
17:28:53 <pfps> one can see who by looking at the history
17:28:55 <Zhe> Then Jie did the action
17:28:59 <jeremy_> Alan: let's take this off line
17:29:01 <m_schnei> same bug in xml: its not in the sources
17:29:08 <Zhe> q+
17:29:13 <jeremy_> Ian: not a huge issue, but a surprise
17:29:23 <alanr> ack Zhe
17:29:27 <IanH> q?
17:29:35 <jeremy_> Zhe: regarding abstract. Carsten added abstract.
17:29:45 <m_schnei> zhe knows how to fix it - so fix it :)
17:29:49 <jeremy_> Zhe: & he thought boiler plate no longer needed
17:30:05 <jeremy_> Zhe: and I think Jie did it
17:30:23 <jeremy_> Ian: but it was agreed at some point that the boiler plate should be in all docs
17:30:31 <msmith> email confirming that description http://www.w3.org/mid/b6b357670804081149q7f677748l69bcbc3592287a67@mail.gmail.com
17:30:42 <jeremy_> Ian: in case a reader came to this doc first ....
17:30:50 <alanr> q?
17:30:52 <jeremy_> Alan: Sandro, can you fix this?
17:30:59 <Zhe> m_schnei, I don't know how to do it
17:31:01 <Zhe> sorry
17:31:01 <alanr> q?
17:31:06 <jeremy_> Ian: I will sort it now.
17:31:22 <alanr> q?
17:31:50 <jeremy_> Alan: are we frozen now, modulo changes discussed now.
17:31:57 <jeremy_> Sandro: three sentences have gone
17:31:57 <alanr> q?
17:32:03 <alanr> q?
17:32:03 <jeremy_> Ian: abstract is changing now
17:32:24 <IanH> Abstract now restored to its former glory :-)
17:32:26 <jeremy_> Alan: Sandro, do you need anything?
17:32:35 <jeremy_> Sandro: no ....
17:32:50 <jeremy_> Sandro: do we want a comment date?
17:33:30 <jeremy_> Sandro: let's go for four weeks
17:33:37 <jeremy_> Ivan: which mailing list for comments
17:33:43 <jeremy_> Sandro: public-owl-comments
17:33:57 <jeremy_> Alan: UFDTF for Monday
17:34:06 <jeremy_> Alan: subject will be requirements doc
17:34:11 <jeremy_> Alan: Evan will work on this
17:34:26 <jeremy_> Alan: please send disiderata to requirements doc to list
17:34:44 <jeremy_> Alan: we want to narrowly address what justifies current spec
17:34:52 <jeremy_> Alan: largely a historical process
17:35:16 <jeremy_> Alan: last call before adjournment
17:35:44 <jeremy_> Alan: thanks to everyone
17:36:05 <IanH> Yes, thanks from me too!
17:36:11 <Zhe> bye
17:36:12 <jeremy_> Alan: adjourn
17:36:13 <Zakim> -DougL
17:36:15 <Zakim> -Sandro
17:36:16 <Zakim> -MartinD
17:36:20 <m_schnei> bye
17:36:20 <diegoc> bye
17:36:20 <Zakim> -msmith
17:36:21 <Zakim> -alanr
17:36:23 <Zakim> -Zhe
17:36:24 <Zakim> -IanH
17:36:26 <Zakim> -ChristineG
17:36:27 <Zakim> -bcuencagrau
17:36:27 <Zakim> -Peter_Patel-Schneider
17:36:29 <Zakim> -jeremy_
17:36:29 <MartinD> MartinD has left #OWL
17:36:32 <Zakim> -m_schnei
17:36:34 <Zakim> -Ivan
17:36:36 <Zakim> -diegoc
17:36:50 <Zakim> -baojie
17:36:52 <Zakim> SW_OWL()12:00PM has ended
17:36:53 <Zakim> Attendees were +0186527aaaa, IanH, jeremy_, +39.047.101.aabb, bcuencagrau, +1.202.408.aacc, msmith, Zhe, Ivan, Evan_Wallace, +0190827aaee, MartinD, +1.512.342.aaff, alanr, Sandro,
17:36:56 <Zakim> ... +1.518.276.aagg, baojie, DougL, m_schnei, diegoc, ChristineG, Peter_Patel-Schneider
17:37:14 <jeremy_> RRSAgent, pointer
17:37:14 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-owl-irc#T17-37-14
17:37:22 <jeremy_> RRSAgent, make logs public
17:38:15 <jeremy_> rrsagent, please format the minutes
17:38:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/09-owl-minutes.html jeremy_
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