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14:57:24 <ericP> Zakim, this will be COI
14:57:24 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, ericP
14:57:32 <ericP> Zakim, this will be HCLS
14:57:32 <Zakim> ok, ericP; I see SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:57:52 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
14:57:52 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
14:57:54 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has now started
14:57:57 <Zakim> +EricP
14:58:17 <Zakim> + +1.919.541.aaaa
14:58:20 <Zakim> -EricP
14:58:21 <Zakim> +EricP
14:58:28 <ericP> vipul, does enough of http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-hcls-coi/2008JanMar/0071 remain that it's worth keeping it in the topic
14:58:38 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
14:58:43 <ericP> Zakim, +1.919.541.aaaa
14:58:43 <Zakim> I don't understand '+1.919.541.aaaa', ericP
14:58:54 <ericP> Zakim, +1.919.541.aaaa is Jennifer
14:58:54 <Zakim> +Jennifer; got it
14:59:03 <vipul> Zakim, aaas is Jennifer_Foster
14:59:03 <Zakim> sorry, vipul, I do not recognize a party named 'aaas'
14:59:19 <vipul> Zakim, aaaa is Jennifer_Fostel
14:59:19 <Zakim> sorry, vipul, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
14:59:41 <vipul> agenda+ Roll Call
15:00:49 <vipul> agenda+ Discussion on Clinical Practice Ontology
15:01:08 <vipul> agenda+ Discuss RDF Data Conversion Logistics
15:01:53 <vipul> agenda+ Discussion of SDTM Clinical Trials ontology
15:02:17 <vipul> agenda+ Demo next steps
15:02:44 <vipul> agenda?
15:03:53 <Zakim> +Tony
15:03:57 <Zakim> -Tony
15:04:32 <Zakim> +Tony
15:04:42 <vipul> Zakim, Tony is Jyoti
15:04:45 <Zakim> +Jyoti; got it
15:04:55 <Zakim> + +1.801.736.aabb
15:05:05 <vipul> Zakim, aabb is Tom
15:05:05 <Zakim> +Tom; got it
15:05:16 <vipul> Zakim, Tom is Tom_Oniki
15:05:16 <Zakim> +Tom_Oniki; got it
15:05:57 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
15:05:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricP, Jennifer, Vipul_Kashyap, Jyoti, Tom_Oniki
15:05:58 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, vipul, jar286, ericP
15:06:19 <vipul> close agendum 1
15:10:08 <jenfostel> jenfostel has joined #hcls
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15:10:48 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
15:10:48 <Zakim> On the phone I see EricP, Jennifer, Vipul_Kashyap, Jyoti, Tom_Oniki
15:10:49 <Zakim> On IRC I see vipul, jenfostel, RRSAgent, Zakim, jar286, ericP
15:12:03 <jenfostel> Joyti - clinical practice ontology
15:12:34 <jenfostel> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability/
15:13:26 <jenfostel> [get | view] (1181.0 KB) attachment:ClinicalPractice-Ontology-Version-2.ppt
15:13:35 <jenfostel> from the attachments page
15:14:45 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=ClinicalPractice-Ontology-Version-2.ppt
15:16:33 <vipul> next agendum
15:20:34 <jenfostel> removing hasKey property
15:22:00 <jenfostel> has qualifiers -> hierarchy for qualifiers
15:28:08 <jenfostel> standard qualifiers that apply to each lab test
15:28:23 <jenfostel> data type property rather than object property?
15:29:02 <jenfostel> Tom to help with instances
15:29:27 <jenfostel> abnormal flag = code
15:29:55 <jenfostel> Tom's codes being defined; take from external references when available
15:31:01 <jenfostel> Tom:  codes defined with ASN 1 model; working to move to new model
15:31:59 <jenfostel> terminology proprietary; need other terms as open source
15:33:39 <jenfostel> Tom - does qualifier exist in real world?  we are modeling real world
15:34:01 <jenfostel> Vipul - observations in the mind of physician; cognitive constructs
15:34:47 <jenfostel> qualifier refines the observation
15:35:15 <jenfostel> Vipul - therefore capturing semantics of lab observation
15:35:49 <jenfostel> VIpul - comments are difficult to parse computationally
15:36:07 <jenfostel> Tom - anyting that could be extracted from comment should be in RDF
15:37:31 <jenfostel> owl qualifiers - needed if impact meaning of observation
15:41:20 <jenfostel> Tom: model CEM or clinical practice?
15:41:47 <jenfostel> VIpul - seed ontology; we will build on 
15:43:04 <jenfostel> reference clinical elements - slide 8; equivalent to qualifiers
15:44:30 <jenfostel> Tom: generic structure of CEM - reference, data, qualifiers
15:44:44 <jenfostel> Vipul - introducing class Clinical statement?
15:45:22 <jenfostel> Tom: model CEM; subtypes qualifier, statement; problem making ontology:  CEM is gneric. 
15:45:43 <jenfostel> Vipul: CEM can be viewied as data structure or info model
15:46:14 <jenfostel> Tom: semantics under the CEM, don't model parent CEM (qual, statement, data) just the info
15:46:50 <jenfostel> difference statement / qualifier?  -- statement: stand on it's own; no contextual info needed; eg heart rate
15:47:11 <jenfostel> qualifier might be body location; not independent; only in context of qualifying a heart rate
15:47:59 <jenfostel> subclasses iff consider structure rather than semantics where they differ
15:48:24 <jenfostel> Vipul: RefClin elements = qualiifiers
15:48:39 <jenfostel> structure less important that semantics
15:49:13 <jenfostel> use case:  select for attr and want both for heart rate and left arm; then common data class
15:49:39 <jenfostel> Joyti:  ref Clin Elements; two children -- statement and qualifier
15:50:08 <jenfostel> Vipul:  introduce when requierd by use case
15:50:23 <jenfostel> Tom:  refClinElt are qualifiers; 
15:51:46 <jenfostel> deltaFlag = change from previous observation; eg increasing, worsening
15:51:57 <jenfostel> previous observation may not be in the system
15:52:37 <jenfostel> FillerOrderNumber?  not related to semantics?
15:53:29 <jenfostel> important to store for application need
15:53:51 <jenfostel> Vipal:  drop ordernumber qualifiers
15:54:12 <jenfostel> HasReferenceRange = range of normal values
15:54:59 <jenfostel> can we represent ranges using Owl range operators?
15:55:31 <jenfostel> ??: move reference to single object
15:56:27 <jenfostel> no; range operator does not work
15:56:44 <jenfostel> need specialized range object
15:58:17 <jenfostel> one ref range object with interval, or two (high and low)
15:58:41 <Zakim> +??P8
15:59:10 <vipul> Zakim, +??P8 is Parsa
15:59:10 <Zakim> sorry, vipul, I do not recognize a party named '+??P8'
16:00:18 <jenfostel> point to a platonic reference person
16:01:19 <jenfostel> ??: reference range nar = string; not currently computable
16:01:27 <jenfostel> nar = narrative?
16:01:44 <jenfostel> need rules to parse the string into high and low values
16:01:59 <jenfostel> Vipul:  store as class annotation?
16:02:43 <jenfostel> EricP:  data -> split into low and high but not the original string
16:02:56 <jenfostel> Tom:  need alogithm to split
16:05:16 <jenfostel> need to know re elegibilty criteria -- supply range or just "too high"?
16:05:24 <jenfostel> reporting priority not needed
16:05:34 <jenfostel> has result vs has data?
16:07:30 <jenfostel> ??: resulted => attribution; capture who, when , where
16:08:40 <jenfostel> collected also
16:09:27 <jenfostel> semantics of observation - includes time observed (Vipul)
16:10:00 <jenfostel> ??: does the info help solve use case <=> semantic importance
16:13:02 <Zakim> -Jennifer
16:13:06 <Zakim> -Tom_Oniki
16:13:13 <Zakim> -Jyoti
16:13:13 <ericP> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:13:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/08-hcls-minutes.html ericP
16:13:23 <ericP> RRSAgent, please make log world-readable
16:24:56 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
16:29:52 <Zakim> -EricP
16:29:54 <Zakim> -??P8
16:29:54 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has ended
16:29:55 <Zakim> Attendees were EricP, Vipul_Kashyap, Jennifer, Jyoti, +1.801.736.aabb, Tom_Oniki
17:01:15 <vipul> vipul has joined #hcls
17:02:05 <vipul> Anyone there?
17:02:14 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
17:02:14 <Zakim> apparently SW_HCLS(Bio-Ont WG)11:00AM has ended, vipul
17:02:15 <Zakim> On IRC I see vipul, RRSAgent, Zakim, jar286, ericP
17:02:27 <vipul> Zakim, this is BIONT
17:02:27 <Zakim> ok, vipul; that matches SW_HCLS(BIONT)1:00PM
17:02:43 <vipul> Zakim, who's here?
17:02:43 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap
17:02:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see vipul, RRSAgent, Zakim, jar286, ericP
17:04:34 <Zakim> +Jyoti
17:05:14 <Zakim> +Tom_Oniki
17:05:59 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
17:05:59 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
17:06:01 <Zakim> +EricP
17:06:51 <ericP> Zakim, who is here?
17:06:51 <Zakim> On the phone I see Vipul_Kashyap, Jyoti, Tom_Oniki, EricP
17:06:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see vipul, RRSAgent, Zakim, jar286, ericP
17:19:09 <ericP> back in 2 mins...
17:28:39 <Susie> Susie has joined #hcls
17:36:53 <ericP> re: forcing the the physician to enter a body position: "you must enter the inverted plow position to enter the X field"
17:45:19 <vipul> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLS/ClinicalObservationsInteroperability?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=MedicationModels.ppt
17:47:03 <ericP> http://www.w3.org/2008/04/08-hcls-minutes
17:48:20 <Zakim> -EricP
17:48:22 <Zakim> -Tom_Oniki
17:48:23 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
17:48:23 <Zakim> -Jyoti
17:48:23 <Zakim> SW_HCLS(BIONT)1:00PM has ended
17:48:24 <Zakim> Attendees were Vipul_Kashyap, Jyoti, Tom_Oniki, EricP
18:02:20 <mscottm> mscottm has joined #hcls
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18:04:00 <mscottm> Hi Susie
18:04:13 <Susie> Hi
18:04:37 <Susie> I think EricP knows how to get Zakim to give us dial in information
18:07:25 <mscottm> Do you have Eric's number?
18:08:00 <mscottm> Actually, you probably do, but maybe we should give him a call..
18:10:05 <Susie> Trying to call him, but no joy...
18:10:31 <ericP> Zakim, space for 5?
18:10:33 <Zakim> ok, ericP; conference Team_(hcls)18:10Z scheduled with code 26631 (CONF1) for 60 minutes until 1910Z
18:10:41 <ericP> Zakim, please dial ericP-office
18:10:41 <Zakim> ok, ericP; the call is being made
18:10:42 <Zakim> Team_(hcls)18:10Z has now started
18:10:43 <Zakim> +EricP
18:10:48 <mscottm> Just noticed that he was busy with the doc - oh , hi Eric!
18:11:34 <Zakim> + +003120416aaaa
18:11:46 <ericP> Zakim, +003120416aaaa is mscottm 
18:11:46 <Zakim> +mscottm; got it
18:11:57 <Susie> what's the number?
18:12:10 <Susie> Sorr, got it!
18:12:18 <ericP> code 26631
18:12:28 <ericP> Zakim, code?
18:12:28 <Zakim> the conference code is 26631 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 tel:+33.4.89.06.34.99 tel:+44.117.370.6152), ericP
18:12:30 <ericP> see?
18:12:54 <Zakim> +Susie
18:22:16 <Zakim> +Chimezie_Ogbuji
18:32:42 <Helen> Helen has joined #hcls
18:39:14 <ericP> mscottm, $875 YVR↔YYZ 17-23July
18:39:17 <ericP> not cheap
18:41:01 <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Brainstorming
18:57:51 <chimezie> chimezie has joined #hcls
18:57:51 <ericP> 2008-04-08T18:41:01Z <Susie> http://esw.w3.org/topic/HCLSIG_BioRDF_Subgroup/Brainstorming
18:57:55 <ericP> i win!
18:58:05 <chimezie> :)
19:05:40 <Susie> http://www.affymetrix.com/products/arrays/specific/dmet.affx
19:08:23 <Susie> http://www.loni.ucla.edu/ADNI/
19:22:24 <chimezie> FYI: The standards body responsible for SNOMED-CT ( the International Health Terminology Standards Development Organisation. - http://www.ihtsdo.org/ )
19:29:43 <Zakim> -Susie
19:29:44 <Zakim> -Chimezie_Ogbuji
19:29:47 <Zakim> -mscottm
19:34:47 <Zakim> disconnecting the lone participant, EricP, in Team_(hcls)18:10Z
19:34:49 <Zakim> Team_(hcls)18:10Z has ended
19:34:51 <Zakim> Attendees were EricP, mscottm, Susie, Chimezie_Ogbuji