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14:55:57 <Ashok>  scribenick: Ashok
14:56:24 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who is here?
14:56:24 <Zakim> sorry, mhausenblas, I don't know what conference this is
14:56:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ashok, EFranconi, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru
14:56:35 <Ashok> Hello ... we are early ... shows people are enthusiastic about this work!
14:56:44 <Ashok> Which is wonderful!
14:56:57 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be RDB2RDF
14:56:57 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
14:57:16 <mhausenblas> zakim, this will be INC_RDB2RDF
14:57:16 <Zakim> ok, mhausenblas; I see INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
14:58:00 <Zakim> INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM has now started
14:58:05 <Zakim> + +1.408.285.aaaa
14:59:02 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
14:59:35 <Ashok> zakim, whi si on the phone
14:59:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'whi si on the phone', Ashok
15:00:05 <Ashok> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:00:06 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.408.285.aaaa, Ashok_Malhotra
15:00:10 <mhausenblas> hm, seems passcode does not work
15:00:15 <mhausenblas> sure 7322 ?
15:00:20 <Ashok> Please 7322
15:00:26 <Zakim> +Michael_Hausenblas
15:00:41 <Zakim> +Daniel_Engovatov
15:01:02 <Zakim> + +0238033aabb
15:01:23 <mhausenblas> Zakim, who is here?
15:01:23 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.408.285.aaaa, Ashok_Malhotra, Michael_Hausenblas, Daniel_Engovatov, +0238033aabb
15:01:25 <Zakim> On IRC I see mhausenblas, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ashok, EFranconi, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru
15:01:26 <Zakim> + +1.610.804.aacc
15:01:45 <Zakim> +??P0
15:02:28 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes 
15:02:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/04-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:02:39 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:03:39 <Zakim> + +1.781.273.aadd
15:03:50 <Zakim> +??P15
15:04:52 <EFranconi> zakim, aacc is me
15:04:52 <Zakim> +EFranconi; got it
15:04:55 <Ashok> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:55 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.408.285.aaaa, Ashok_Malhotra, Michael_Hausenblas, Daniel_Engovatov, +0238033aabb, EFranconi, ??P0, +1.781.273.aadd, AxelPolleres
15:05:07 <iv_an_ru> (I'm still trying to connect so don't wait for me :|
15:05:08 <AxelPolleres> why did you generate minutes now already? confused...
15:05:31 <Ashok> Did not generate minutes yet
15:06:55 <AxelPolleres> s/then/than/
15:07:20 <Zakim> + +1.937.775.aaee
15:07:38 <mhausenblas> scribenick AxelPolleres
15:07:41 <AxelPolleres> scribe: Axel Polleres
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15:07:49 <AxelPolleres> scribenick: AxelPolleres
15:08:14 <AxelPolleres> Topic: Roll Call 
15:09:14 <AxelPolleres> Soeren Auer: (introducing himself, talking about triplify, see respective mails on the list)
15:09:57 <Ashok> + Catherine Dolbear
15:09:57 <AxelPolleres> Catherine: introducing herself.
15:09:58 <mhausenblas> http://www.w3.org/2001/01/cgi-irc
15:11:13 <AxelPolleres> ... trying to integrate legacy databases. Large use case. problems with matching column names directly to properties.
15:11:29 <AxelPolleres> who was wspeaking?
15:11:34 <Ashok> + Soren Auer
15:11:39 <Ashok> + Daniel Engovatov
15:11:58 <AxelPolleres> Kingsley: Orri not on the call.
15:12:18 <Ashok> + Ahmed Ezzat
15:12:26 <iv_an_ru> Orri's phone is busy so maybe he is trying to connect like me
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15:13:27 <AxelPolleres> Everybody should put an introduction to the mailinglist.
15:13:52 <AxelPolleres> Enrico: introducing himself, leading DL/SW research group in Bolzano.
15:13:56 <Zakim> +DOrchard
15:14:37 <EFranconi> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:14:37 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.408.285.aaaa, Ashok_Malhotra, Michael_Hausenblas, Daniel_Engovatov, +0238033aabb, EFranconi, ??P0, +1.781.273.aadd, AxelPolleres, +1.937.775.aaee, DOrchard
15:14:37 <AxelPolleres> Can people please use nicknames which identify their real names?
15:14:42 <Zakim> +??P20
15:15:15 <AxelPolleres> Michael Hausenblas: (introducing himself) 
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15:15:28 <AxelPolleres> ... Joanneum Research Austria.
15:16:01 <AxelPolleres> Kingsley Kidehen: (introducing their work - virtuoso, openlink)
15:16:18 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: doug not here.
15:16:25 <mhausenblas> q+
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15:16:47 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: (introducing himself) rather from the RDBMS world thant RDF world, working at oracle.
15:17:07 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: Jim Melton not here
15:17:37 <AxelPolleres> Ivan&Orrie: both OpenLink, just joined.
15:18:42 <kidehen> AxelPolleres: Kingsley +1 617 273 0900
15:18:49 <AxelPolleres> Chimezie Ogbuji not here.
15:19:01 <AxelPolleres> David Orchard: introducing himself.
15:19:21 <AxelPolleres> members list , btw, available here: http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=42232
15:20:13 <Zakim> +??P13
15:20:30 <iv_an_ru> zakim, +??P13 is me
15:20:30 <Zakim> sorry, iv_an_ru, I do not recognize a party named '+??P13'
15:20:54 <iv_an_ru> zakim, ??P13 is me
15:20:54 <Zakim> +iv_an_ru; got it
15:21:22 <AxelPolleres> Axel: (introducing himself) interested in SPARQL, dynamic binding of legacy DBs, also XML data (combinations of XQuery and SPARQL)
15:21:58 <iv_an_ru> (Note that 7522 is not a valid conference code)
15:22:02 <AxelPolleres> Satya Sahoo: (introducing himself) mentions a recent paper as well (please post details in introduction)
15:22:26 <AxelPolleres> Chris Pierce, Vassilis Tzouvara not here.
15:22:53 <mhausenblas> Michael: As I have to leave soon, my 2 cent: We'd prefer a F2F meeting at the ISCW08
15:23:29 <AxelPolleres> Orri: very much a DB engine guy, publishing information about virtuoso soon. DB background optimizing SQL, SPARQL, etc.
15:23:33 <mhausenblas> ... and we should soon start with a report on the current state of the art (which I vonlunteer to edit)
15:24:20 <AxelPolleres> Topic: Time and duration of weekly telcon 
15:25:10 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: this time is difficult for some callers.
15:25:26 <AxelPolleres> ... sooner not good for people from west coast.
15:25:48 <AxelPolleres> ... my own difficulty, i can do pretty much only on fridays.
15:26:02 <AxelPolleres> ... earlier possible, but we have to ask others.
15:26:21 <mhausenblas> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:26:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/04-rdb2rdf-minutes.html mhausenblas
15:26:48 <Zakim> +Vipul_Kashyap
15:26:59 <AxelPolleres> ... 7:00AM westcoast, 4:00PM europe on fridays?
15:27:40 <AxelPolleres> difficult for some people on the west coast.
15:27:58 <iv_an_ru> For me, there's no difference between 21:00 or 22:00 Novosibirsk time :)
15:28:15 <AxelPolleres> ... 8:00AM west coast possible?
15:28:36 <Zakim> -Michael_Hausenblas
15:28:44 <AxelPolleres> Michael: I am off, feel free to assign actions to me
15:29:41 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: ... 8:00AM west coast = 4:00PM GMT = 5:00CET. 
15:29:57 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: duration?
15:30:21 <AxelPolleres> ... let's schedule for 60min, I will still reserve a 90min slot, let's see how it goes.
15:30:30 <AxelPolleres> Topic: F2F meeting
15:30:50 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: rules of XG require us to do first f2f soon!
15:31:15 <AxelPolleres> ... any thoughts, volunteers to host?
15:31:27 <AxelPolleres> ... when/where are the preferences?
15:31:49 <AxelPolleres> ... duration? (I strongly recommend at least 2 full days.)
15:32:11 <AxelPolleres> ... east coast seems to be sort of half way.
15:32:17 <AxelPolleres> ... host needed.
15:32:39 <AxelPolleres> ... rewuirements: conference room, coffee, that's about it. not a big burden.
15:33:04 <AxelPolleres> ... please use the mailinglist to post suggestions?
15:33:30 <AxelPolleres> Ahmed: I am not so familiar with the processes.
15:33:47 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: please check the mails pointing to the mailinglists.
15:33:57 <Zakim> -iv_an_ru
15:34:05 <AxelPolleres> ... we have two mailinglists.
15:34:52 <AxelPolleres> ... member-xg-rdb2rdf@w3.org and public-xg-rdb2rdf@w3.org
15:35:28 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Ashok to send out details about mailinglists subscription.
15:35:56 <AxelPolleres> deadline for that action? BTW?
15:36:06 <AxelPolleres> do we have an action tracker?
15:36:37 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: Shall we use the public mailinglist for everything.
15:37:56 <AxelPolleres> Axel: other groups also have a "comments" mailinglist for external comments.
15:38:09 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: I will find out.
15:38:44 <AxelPolleres> PROPOSED: XG will discuss all techical work on the public list, all business on the members list.
15:39:08 <AxelPolleres> no objections.
15:39:25 <AxelPolleres> RESOLUTION: XG will discuss all techical work on the public list, all business on the members list.
15:39:59 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: Topic: What is it what the XG would like to accomplish?
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15:40:05 <AxelPolleres> Topic: What is it what the XG would like to accomplish?
15:40:16 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: XG is not to define standards.
15:41:01 <AxelPolleres> ... we can propose that mappings can do in some way, but only then we can start a working group... if the W3C team thinks that is a useful thing.
15:41:14 <AxelPolleres> ... I'd like to solicit proposals on that.
15:41:48 <AxelPolleres> ... there was a comment already from somebody to do a literature survey.
15:42:11 <AxelPolleres> Soeren: THat was a student of mine (Soeren please paste link to mail, name)
15:42:32 <AxelPolleres> ... maybe it is 2 or three pages.
15:43:06 <AxelPolleres> Ahmed: please all to send URLs or citations of what you do to the list.
15:43:28 <AxelPolleres> Kingsley: always add URLs to the subject matter, when sending mails.
15:43:51 <AxelPolleres> Satya: I have already put some things in my earlier mails.
15:43:54 <Zakim> -DOrchard
15:44:22 <AxelPolleres> Kingsley: We should use the esw wiki, there is an RDB2RDF section there already.
15:44:35 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: pls post the URL!
15:44:57 <AxelPolleres> Ahmed: Some intro initially, so that we are all on the same level would be good.
15:45:56 <AxelPolleres> Axel: why use esw wiki? or shall we have an own?
15:46:09 <AxelPolleres> Kingsley: link density is immense on esw.
15:47:01 <kidehen> http://esw.w3.org/topic/RdfAndSql
15:47:12 <AxelPolleres> ... we can also use it for the WG drafts, experience on that in SWEO.
15:47:38 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: let's use this week to gather all tools and entry points.
15:47:53 <AxelPolleres> ... we all have very different backgrounds.
15:48:17 <AxelPolleres> ... might make sense if next week one person presents a solution.
15:48:26 <AxelPolleres> ... what do you think?
15:48:28 <kidehen> SWEO sample: http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG?highlight=%28sweo%29
15:48:46 <Zakim> +Dave_Orchard
15:48:59 <kidehen> http://esw.w3.org/topic/SweoIG
15:49:04 <AxelPolleres> Ahmed: If any of us can go over the material collection in advance, then we should go to start the discussion.
15:49:06 <iv_an_ru> esw wiki is good sandbox to play.
15:50:02 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: Because we have a fairly large number of proposals here, we should present one approach per hpone call around 15min.
15:50:17 <AxelPolleres> ... who is gonna do it next week?
15:50:25 <AxelPolleres> Satya: I can do it.
15:50:47 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: send a pointer beforehand on the mailinglist, then we will give you 15min.
15:51:09 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: Satya to prepare a presetnation of his approach next time.
15:51:15 <AxelPolleres> Topic: AOB
15:51:52 <AxelPolleres> Satya: new to W3C. Please send out links to how to connect to IRC, etc.
15:53:54 <AxelPolleres> ACTION: ??? to send out indformation on IRC and working group practices.
15:54:23 <Ashok> ACTION: Dave to send out URL for W3C CGI IRC Client
15:55:02 <AxelPolleres> Zakim, who is on the phone?
15:55:02 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.408.285.aaaa, Ashok_Malhotra, Daniel_Engovatov, +0238033aabb, EFranconi, ??P0, +1.781.273.aadd, AxelPolleres, +1.937.775.aaee, ??P20, Vipul_Kashyap,
15:55:05 <Zakim> ... Dave_Orchard
15:55:17 <AxelPolleres> We have several unidentified people.
15:56:06 <AxelPolleres> David: there is some issues on which names to use for actions, etc. and how to assign names to IRC-names.
15:56:27 <AxelPolleres> ... you can tell Zakim, who on the chat is who in the phone.
15:56:31 <AxelPolleres> ... etc.
15:56:46 <AxelPolleres> Ashok: summarize:
15:57:06 <AxelPolleres> ... next phone call same time next week. 
15:57:18 <AxelPolleres> ... I will at some time propose schedule for f2f.
15:57:29 <AxelPolleres> ... presentation next time by satya.
15:57:36 <AxelPolleres> ... propose to adjourn.
15:57:50 <Zakim> - +0238033aabb
15:58:04 <Ashok> zakim, make logs public
15:58:04 <Zakim> I don't understand 'make logs public', Ashok
15:58:23 <Ashok> rrsagent, make lnks public
15:58:23 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'make lnks public', Ashok.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
15:58:32 <AxelPolleres> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:58:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/04-rdb2rdf-minutes.html AxelPolleres
15:59:15 <AxelPolleres> I hasd pasted both addresses of the mailinglists above.
16:00:11 <Zakim> -Dave_Orchard
16:00:15 <AxelPolleres> RRSAgent, draft minutes
16:00:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/04-rdb2rdf-minutes.html AxelPolleres
16:00:19 <Zakim> - +1.937.775.aaee
16:00:20 <Zakim> -Daniel_Engovatov
16:00:20 <Zakim> - +1.408.285.aaaa
16:00:21 <Zakim> -EFranconi
16:00:21 <Zakim> -??P20
16:00:23 <Zakim> - +1.781.273.aadd
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16:00:24 <Zakim> -Vipul_Kashyap
16:00:28 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
16:00:30 <Zakim> -??P0
16:00:32 <Zakim> -AxelPolleres
16:00:34 <Zakim> INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM has ended
16:00:36 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.408.285.aaaa, Ashok_Malhotra, Michael_Hausenblas, Daniel_Engovatov, +0238033aabb, +1.610.804.aacc, +1.781.273.aadd, AxelPolleres, EFranconi, +1.937.775.aaee,
16:00:40 <Zakim> ... DOrchard, iv_an_ru, Vipul_Kashyap, Dave_Orchard
16:02:01 <Zakim> INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM has now started
16:02:08 <Zakim> +Jim_Melton
16:02:32 <Zakim> -Jim_Melton
16:02:33 <Zakim> INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM has ended
16:02:33 <Zakim> Attendees were Jim_Melton
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16:03:55 <JimM> Ashok, is the meeting still in progress?
16:04:07 <JimM> zakim, who is here?
16:04:07 <Zakim> apparently INC_RDB2RDF()11:00AM has ended, JimM
16:04:08 <Zakim> On IRC I see JimM, soeren, kidehen, RRSAgent, Zakim, Ashok, AxelPolleres, iv_an_ru
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