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14:04:13 <r12a> Scribe: r12a
14:04:26 <r12a> Meeting: I18n Core telecon
14:04:31 <r12a> Chair: Addison
14:04:39 <r12a> Scribe: r12a
14:04:44 <fsasaki> agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2008Apr/0000.html
14:07:50 <r12a> Topic: Action items
14:08:41 <r12a> [DONE] ACTION: Addison to finish revising Unicode Migration for publication; Addison to resolve editing issues
14:09:23 <r12a> [OPEN] ACTION: Addison: write basic outline in wiki for a note on case folding
14:09:32 <r12a> ACTION: Addison to finish revising Unicode Migration for publication; Addison to resolve editing issues DONE
14:09:43 <r12a> ACTION: Addison: write basic outline in wiki for a note on case folding PENDING
14:10:08 <r12a> ACTION: Addison: Write to WebAPI WG chair expressing our concern about non-i18n statement and lack of i18n in widgets 1.0 WD DONE
14:11:27 <r12a> Felix: I spoke to Mike Smith, I can ping him again
14:11:38 <r12a> s/Smith/Smith offline/
14:12:27 <r12a> ACTION: Andrew: create notes on how to use the wiki template PENDING
14:12:41 <r12a> Andrew in process of adding now - should be done by tomorrow
14:12:50 <r12a> ACTION: Addison to request new schedule following 2 April DONE
14:13:03 <r12a> Topic: Info Share
14:13:53 <fsasaki> scribenick: fsasaki
14:13:55 <fsasaki> r12a: looked at template for translations
14:14:05 <fsasaki> .. now you have create a small php file
14:14:11 <aphillip> aphillip has joined #core
14:14:18 <fsasaki> .. you use the same file name with same extension
14:14:26 <fsasaki> .. no need to edit every page anymore
14:14:39 <fsasaki> .. no need to build languages in each page either
14:14:57 <fsasaki> .. example of this not yet uploaded
14:15:04 <fsasaki> .. send a mail later
14:15:12 <fsasaki> scribenick: r12a
14:16:00 <r12a> Topic: SSML internationalization
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14:17:22 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-speech-synthesis11-20080317/#S3.2.1
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14:21:55 <aphillip> (discussion of extended language range)
14:22:05 <aphillip> probably should use the term "language priority list"
14:23:38 <aphillip> probably should be a prioritized list
14:23:57 <r12a> "here both language and accent MUST be an Extended Language Range" is ok
14:24:01 <aphillip> items should match *one* of the items in the priority list
14:24:13 <r12a> "A voice satisfies the languages feature if, for each language/accent pair in the list,"
14:24:13 <David> zakim, mute david
14:24:13 <Zakim> David should now be muted
14:24:33 <r12a> see notes above about matching at least one item and should be priority list, probably
14:24:57 <David> yes
14:26:26 <r12a> "whose description as a language tag" is misleading - they probably mean to say "a voice can read/speak a language whose language tag matches"
14:27:48 <David> zakim, unmute david
14:27:48 <Zakim> David should no longer be muted
14:27:55 <r12a> addison: not sure why extension subtags are ignored (althought there presently aren't any)
14:29:07 <r12a> david: there may be a need for region accents rather than the language 
14:32:19 <r12a> addison: what they are doing is somewhat backwards, its not clear whether they mean that extension subtags and scripts can be ignored in voice or language range
14:32:36 <r12a> ... they should say that script has no meaning in auditory stuff like this
14:33:18 <aphillip> probably the text about script and extension subtags is unnecessary
14:33:40 <aphillip> as long as the range in the attribute has no script subtag, any voices that have scripts will match it
14:33:57 <aphillip> if one is specified, only voices that have that script subtag will match
14:34:11 <aphillip> even though script has no meaning in an auditory context
14:35:46 <aphillip> what they propose requires that the tags/ranges be processed
14:35:58 <aphillip>  matching is written such that this isn't necessary
14:36:09 <aphillip> better to recommend that they just not be used
14:36:29 <aphillip> matching is written such that parsing the language tags is not necessary
14:37:29 <aphillip> zh-CN-HK is an illegal language tag (in one of the examples)
14:40:06 <r12a> addison: might be better to avoid a chinese example, at least initially
14:40:36 <r12a> ... if you want control over which langauge is used, you should use cmn or yue tags rather than zh-CN etc.
14:41:44 <r12a> ACTION: Addison to write an alternative proposal for the para giving an example in SSML 3.2.1
14:43:41 <aphillip> reference BCP 47, "Matching of Language Tags"
14:44:02 <r12a> might be better than RFC 4647 references
14:44:28 <r12a> or at least RFC 4647 or its successor
14:44:43 <r12a> felix: this is fairly stable rfc
14:44:55 <r12a> addison: yes, that algorithm is probably pretty stable
14:47:01 <r12a> 3066 is not in the document, only in the references
14:47:07 <aphillip> 3066 is a stale reference; bcp47 is an informative reference
14:49:44 <r12a> suggest to them that the sentence about BCP 47 be changed to say that values should conform to language tags in BCP47, and this would make BCP47 a normative reference
14:54:45 <r12a> questions:
14:55:13 <r12a> how does the voice/languages setting interact with xml:lang ?
14:55:23 <r12a> does voice always override xml:lang?
14:55:31 <r12a> is it left to the processor to decide?
14:56:09 <r12a> para starting "voice attributes are inherited down the tree i" is very hard to understand and doesn't seem to imply any precedence
14:56:30 <r12a> does voice override xml:lang changes in the text too ?
14:57:34 <aphillip> how do you want to respond to them? richard to respond separately from addison
14:58:52 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
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14:59:28 <andrew_> http://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Help:Using_collaboration_template
14:59:42 <aphillip> Present: addison, david, mick, andrew, richard, felix
14:59:55 <aphillip> Meeting: Internationalization Core Teleconference
15:00:02 <Zakim> -David
15:00:05 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make Minutes
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15:00:20 <Zakim> -Michael_Monaghan
15:00:24 <Zakim> -Felix
15:00:43 <Zakim> -Addison_Phillips
15:03:16 <Zakim> -Richard
15:03:17 <Zakim> -Andrew
15:03:17 <Zakim> I18N_CoreWG()10:00AM has ended
15:03:18 <Zakim> Attendees were Michael_Monaghan, Addison_Phillips, Felix, Richard, +0044797368aaaa, David, Andrew
15:03:30 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:03:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-minutes.html r12a
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17:10:12 <RRSAgent> I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-actions.rdf :
17:10:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Addison to finish revising Unicode Migration for publication; Addison to resolve editing issues DONE [1]
17:10:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc#T14-09-32
17:10:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Addison: write basic outline in wiki for a note on case folding PENDING [2]
17:10:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc#T14-09-43
17:10:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Addison: Write to WebAPI WG chair expressing our concern about non-i18n statement and lack of i18n in widgets 1.0 WD DONE [3]
17:10:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc#T14-10-08
17:10:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Andrew: create notes on how to use the wiki template PENDING [4]
17:10:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc#T14-12-27
17:10:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Addison to request new schedule following 2 April DONE [5]
17:10:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc#T14-12-50
17:10:12 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Addison to write an alternative proposal for the para giving an example in SSML 3.2.1 [6]
17:10:12 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2008/04/02-core-irc#T14-41-44